Zolak: Brady will get a two-year extension

[PatsWickedPissah]

Ken showing signs of age with last post fantasizing Brady and Josh to Jax Irrational.
The JAG boner robbing blood from Ken's brain

 

[Tony2046]

As much as I detest the Jets, I gained a small speck of respect for them on that play.

It was a stupid play call by McDaniels... any play call that has your 39 year old star QB running out as a lead blocker is a dumb play call, but especially against a bitter rival that could have easily flattened and seriously injured him on that play


It shows that they do have some level of respect for Brady

IIRC, it was a broken play. I don't think Josh had anything to do with Brady becoming the lead blocker and I'd imagine they had a little chat afterwards.

 

[sb1]

You imply it was the Pats who called it an extention, instead of Zolak. I'm not sure he even knows the difference. I bet you can find tape where he initially called Gronk's new deal an "extention".

The point is that Zolak thinks the Pats are going to give Brady more money. What structure it comes by means little about his future UNLESS he continues to play at a high level and is the best QB the Pats can put on the field.

We have no reason to believe that Brady isn't the best QB on the Pats for THIS year. But when you are 41 (as he will be for the 2018 season) He'll have to prove he is again, and every year after that.

Personally I'm comfortable believing that he will be that good for the next 2 years. I'm also comfortable now in believing that the Pats believe that JG IS Brady's successor and will what they have to in order to keep him next season if he doesn't beat out Brady this season. And if Brady beats him out in 2018, it will be his last season with the Pats. JMHO

I'll also pose this question to the group since I don't think its worth its own thread, but what is the possible market for a 41 or 42 year old QB even if he was the GOAT in NE? In other words, what team will be willing to take on a good ot great QB with all his experience and leadership abilities at that age.

You would think if you are a superbowl contender you likely already have a good QB, so do you bench that guy AND pay what people are talking about in picks, for a 41 or 42 year old guy. OR if you are a bad team with a bad QB and suck, would Brady go there and playing with a bad team his last season.

Remember Brady, like Manning, would likely want to take HIS offense to wherever he goes next. So the team that would want him would have to understand that. And then there is the question of how much would a team be willing to give the Pats for a 41 or 42 year old QB, even if he is still playing well. As odd as it might sound, I don't think it would be a #1 pick, especially if it was a top 10 pick.

As I think on it, the ideal place for Brady would be Jacksonville, especially if Josh went with him. On paper they have just as much talent as the Pats, but no QB or leadership. Maybe after a couple of years with Brady, Bortles might just solve his consistency issues. Just a thought.

Anyways, that's what I think. I'm wondering what all the other amateur GM's out there are thinking. What would YOU pay for a trade of Brady, assuming he's still playing well?

Brady is not getting traded. There is no market for a 41 year old starting QB other than a team with QB uncertainty that must win right now like Denver and Buffalo or a team that wants to sell tickets and get their name in the papers like the Jets. And pigs will fly in all those cases. Jax or any other building team will not be trying to get Brady- he would be the last guy you should be looking to get to build your team. And Jax has someone.

Remember there was little market for Drew other than Buffalo and he was 31.

 

[Tony2046]

You are pretty close to realizing what I did about 1-2 years ago:

There is no ideal place for Brady except NE. Given his age he doesn't have a year or two for another team to rebuilt the offense into one that will emphasize his strengths as much as the Pats do.

If anyone seriously thinks taking Josh, copying the Pats offense and adding couple of slot guys and it is done then you are as naive as most of those "Brady is a system quarterback" guys. People hold their breath and hope he can get on the same page with Cooks. Now think about an entire set of WRs, TEs, RBs and linemen. Similary, good luck on establishing the same kind of "laser focus" culture anywhere else in just one offseason that grew organically over the last decade in NE.

Again, from everything we know from people that worked around him it doesn't make sense for Brady to play anywhere but NE because no place can offer him exactly what he needs to be successful right now. It is not playing football games but winning football games what drives him.

He won't ever get traded because it makes no sense for him to play anywhere else for practical reasons.

The only team that I can think of that might be a fit is the Texans. It's the Patriots south and have the defense to absorb any adjustment period. Not sure what that translates in terms of success but I would rate it the best landing spot for Brady vs any other team.

With that said Brady isn't going anywhere.

 

[patfanken]

Ken, your Ron Burgundy boner for Jimmy Garrapolo is showing.

You'd better check with your doctor, because I think your memory is getting shakey. I was a leader of the "trade Jimmy while he's a hot comodity in a bad QB draft" group, in everythread before the draft. AND I might have been the most disappointed when the trade never materialized.

I LIKE JG's potential and I thought he'd be a worthy successor to TB, BUT I simply don't think his rookie contract lined up with Brady's likely potential to still play at a high level for at LEAST the next 2 years.

So I have NEVER had a "Ron Burgundy boner" for JG. What has happen, IMHO, is that it's the Pats coaching staff, who has a "Ron Burgundy boner" for JG, because THAT is the only plausible reason not to pull the trigger on a draft day deal. Next year looks like a great QB class, and the value of JG will only lessen as he gets closer to UFA, especially if TB keeps him off the field this season.

Now that being said, I'm fine with JG being the back up this year and pushing TB to greater heights, while at the same time protecting the Pats superbowl run from an injury to TB. However when he likely leaves after this year, I will lament what might have been if we had taken that Cleveland offer (IIRC, it was the #13 and their 3rd round pick this year, and their 2nd rounder next year).

So in the end my post was NOT about whether JG is better than Brady, or whether it would be best to trade Brady after this year. My post was about the reality of the situation, AND about what GM's (real and amateur) would be willing to give up for a 41 year old QB, even if he is still playing well.

In my mind the most likely outcome is Brady will play until at LEAST 2018, and JG will be gone

 

[patfanken]

Brady is not getting traded. There is no market for a 41 year old starting QB other than a team with QB uncertainty that must win right now like Denver and Buffalo or a team that wants to sell tickets and get their name in the papers like the Jets. And pigs will fly in all those cases. Jax or any other building team will not be trying to get Brady- he would be the last guy you should be looking to get to build your team. And Jax has someone.

Remember there was little market for Drew other than Buffalo and he was 31.

I agree pretty much, except the Jets part, because I don't think Brady would play for a team that doesn't have a chance to compete for a championship, AND runs a compatible offense. Those are 2 big qualifiers that really limits his market to start with.

IF in the unlikely event this scenario ever happens, I think a lot of Pats fans will end up being very disappointed with whatever haul the Pats get for Brady in a trade.

 

[sb1]

I agree pretty much, except the Jets part, because I don't think Brady would play for a team that doesn't have a chance to compete for a championship, AND runs a compatible offense. Those are 2 big qualifiers that really limits his market to start with.

IF in the unlikely event this scenario ever happens, I think a lot of Pats fans will end up being very disappointed with whatever haul the Pats get for Brady in a trade.

Agreed, good points.

I do see the Jets at least making a play though. The reason why I say that is the Jet mindset is all about making a splash, getting people to talk about them, getting people to pony up for tickets, and getting on the back page of the NY Post. Hence the Tebow trade a few years ago. What better way to do that in 2018 then go after Brady? The NY media would be all over that and then some.

Regarding the JG trade... I still do not believe the offer reported for the #12 pick was a genuine offer.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You imply it was the Pats who called it an extention, instead of Zolak. I'm not sure he even knows the difference. I bet you can find tape where he initially called Gronk's new deal an "extention".

The point is that Zolak thinks the Pats are going to give Brady more money. What structure it comes by means little about his future UNLESS he continues to play at a high level and is the best QB the Pats can put on the field.

We have no reason to believe that Brady isn't the best QB on the Pats for THIS year. But when you are 41 (as he will be for the 2018 season) He'll have to prove he is again, and every year after that.

Personally I'm comfortable believing that he will be that good for the next 2 years. I'm also comfortable now in believing that the Pats believe that JG IS Brady's successor and will what they have to in order to keep him next season if he doesn't beat out Brady this season. And if Brady beats him out in 2018, it will be his last season with the Pats. JMHO

I'll also pose this question to the group since I don't think its worth its own thread, but what is the possible market for a 41 or 42 year old QB even if he was the GOAT in NE? In other words, what team will be willing to take on a good ot great QB with all his experience and leadership abilities at that age.

You would think if you are a superbowl contender you likely already have a good QB, so do you bench that guy AND pay what people are talking about in picks, for a 41 or 42 year old guy. OR if you are a bad team with a bad QB and suck, would Brady go there and playing with a bad team his last season.

Remember Brady, like Manning, would likely want to take HIS offense to wherever he goes next. So the team that would want him would have to understand that. And then there is the question of how much would a team be willing to give the Pats for a 41 or 42 year old QB, even if he is still playing well. As odd as it might sound, I don't think it would be a #1 pick, especially if it was a top 10 pick.

As I think on it, the ideal place for Brady would be Jacksonville, especially if Josh went with him. On paper they have just as much talent as the Pats, but no QB or leadership. Maybe after a couple of years with Brady, Bortles might just solve his consistency issues. Just a thought.

Anyways, that's what I think. I'm wondering what all the other amateur GM's out there are thinking. What would YOU pay for a trade of Brady, assuming he's still playing well?

Ken, you say here that will franchise Garrapolo and 2018 is Brady's last season in NE, on the other hand you say Garrapolo will be gone, which is it?

I'm not asking what you think Belichick will do, I'm asking which it will be?

 

[Ring 6]

You'd better check with your doctor, because I think your memory is getting shakey. I was a leader of the "trade Jimmy while he's a hot comodity in a bad QB draft" group, in everythread before the draft. AND I might have been the most disappointed when the trade never materialized.

I LIKE JG's potential and I thought he'd be a worthy successor to TB, BUT I simply don't think his rookie contract lined up with Brady's likely potential to still play at a high level for at LEAST the next 2 years.

So I have NEVER had a "Ron Burgundy boner" for JG. What has happen, IMHO, is that it's the Pats coaching staff, who has a "Ron Burgundy boner" for JG, because THAT is the only plausible reason not to pull the trigger on a draft day deal. Next year looks like a great QB class, and the value of JG will only lessen as he gets closer to UFA, especially if TB keeps him off the field this season.

Now that being said, I'm fine with JG being the back up this year and pushing TB to greater heights, while at the same time protecting the Pats superbowl run from an injury to TB. However when he likely leaves after this year, I will lament what might have been if we had taken that Cleveland offer (IIRC, it was the #13 and their 3rd round pick this year, and their 2nd rounder next year).

So in the end my post was NOT about whether JG is better than Brady, or whether it would be best to trade Brady after this year. My post was about the reality of the situation, AND about what GM's (real and amateur) would be willing to give up for a 41 year old QB, even if he is still playing well.

In my mind the most likely outcome is Brady will play until at LEAST 2018, and JG will be gone

???
Yesterday you said

the Pats believe that JG IS Brady's successor and will what they have to in order to keep him next season if he doesn't beat out Brady this season. And if Brady beats him out in 2018, it will be his last season with the Pats. JMHO

this is almost completely opposite of what youre saying today. Which is it?

 

[Ring 6]

Brady is not getting traded. There is no market for a 41 year old starting QB other than a team with QB uncertainty that must win right now like Denver and Buffalo or a team that wants to sell tickets and get their name in the papers like the Jets. And pigs will fly in all those cases. Jax or any other building team will not be trying to get Brady- he would be the last guy you should be looking to get to build your team. And Jax has someone.

Remember there was little market for Drew other than Buffalo and he was 31.

If BB loses his mind where Brady goes is up to Brady.
He can prevent any trade by refusing to go there.
He would end up being traded to his choice of team or being released. BUt again this assumes bill belichick suddenly forgets how valuable the best football player in the world is.

 

[XLIX]

IIRC, it was a broken play. I don't think Josh had anything to do with Brady becoming the lead blocker and I'd imagine they had a little chat afterwards.

This.

I guarantee you not a single play in the entire playbook is designed to have Tom Brady serve as a blocker.

 

[patfanken]

Ken, you say here that will franchise Garrapolo and 2018 is Brady's last season in NE, on the other hand you say Garrapolo will be gone, which is it?

I'm not asking what you think Belichick will do, I'm asking which it will be?

Well, I, my time machine broke down and the shop tells me it might be a few months before I get it back. So I really have no idea what will happen over the next few years. All I can give you are scenarios that MIGHT happen and the logic behind them. There are a few really good ones. Ones that have JG taking over for Brady. To ones that have JG leaving after this year and Brady staying until at least 2019. But you're asking me what WILL happen. And, THAT, my friend, I confess to having no clue, only an educated guess. If I DID claim to know what "will" happen, then I'd be nothing more than another "hot take" monger, and we already have more than enough of those guys.

 

[Love The Drake]

If Jimmy G hits free agency he's a Jet

 

[Jackson 2]

If Jimmy G hits free agency he's a Jet

The most precipitous fall from the penthouse to the outhouse. He'll be on IR by Columbus Day.

 

[patfanken]

???
Yesterday you said, "the Pats believe that JG IS Brady's successor and will what they have to in order to keep him next season if he doesn't beat out Brady this season. And if Brady beats him out in 2018, it will be his last season with the Pats. JMHO"

this is almost completely opposite of what youre saying today. Which is it?

First the things I said yesterday and what I said today are totally compatible if you would bother to take them in context. I still believe that the Pats FO would be very happy if JG is Brady's successor. I believe they didn't trade them because they are NOT sure what Brady will do in the future. Today, he believes he will play 5 more years. But who knows. Maybe he gets a bad concussion or other injury that makes him decide to hang them up after this year or next. Maybe he wakes up one day and decides enough is enough.

So the Pats, who have already invested a high pick and a lot of time into the development of JG at a time where a good QB is mandatory to be truly competitive; were willing to risk the assets they might have gotten in a trade this year, to protect the team's superbowl run THIS year, and against the possibility Brady visibly declines in his performance, or suddenly decides to hang them up.

Brady might be the GOAT and the exception that proves the rule, BUT the history of QB's playing at a high level into their 40's is pretty strong, so they chose NOT to simply take him at his word that he will play 4 or 5 more years.

All that being said, the most likely scenario, IMHO is that Brady will be here long enough and play well enough, with his same passion, that JG will leave the team this year or next and the Pats will be left with just his comp pick or something slightly better if they manage to trade him in the short window they have at the end of the season.

And THAT being said, there are several other scenarios that MIGHT end up happening. I have given a lot of these possible scxenarios over the last few days, but I never claimed (at least intentionally) to KNOW what will happen. I just offer what I think the most likely will be for one and its JMHO. But I can understand the logic behind several of the other possibilities based on logic and inferences from what we know about how the Pats have worked over the past 18 years.

Second, while I value your opinion and enjoy reading most of your posts, there is a reason I didn't respond to your first response to my original post yesterday. You have a tendency to get into thread wars in some threads where if I said "white", you'd say "black". and vice versa. Based on your two responses I can see that happening here, and I'm too old and busy for that stuff now.

You have over 30K posts and I have NEVER seen you ever say. "oh yeah, I see your point" or "I was wrong and you were right", so its hard to have an honest rational exchange of ideas with someone you KNOW will disagree with anything you say and won't stop until they have the last word. BTW- if you actually HAVE said those words in your 33,000 posts (I confess to not having read them all), I apologize in advance for my inaccurate impression.

 

[Ring 6]

First the things I said yesterday and what I said today are totally compatible if you would bother to take them in context. I still believe that the Pats FO would be very happy if JG is Brady's successor. I believe they didn't trade them because they are NOT sure what Brady will do in the future. Today, he believes he will play 5 more years. But who knows. Maybe he gets a bad concussion or other injury that makes him decide to hang them up after this year or next. Maybe he wakes up one day and decides enough is enough.

So the Pats, who have already invested a high pick and a lot of time into the development of JG at a time where a good QB is mandatory to be truly competitive; were willing to risk the assets they might have gotten in a trade this year, to protect the team's superbowl run THIS year, and against the possibility Brady visibly declines in his performance, or suddenly decides to hang them up.

Brady might be the GOAT and the exception that proves the rule, BUT the history of QB's playing at a high level into their 40's is pretty strong, so they chose NOT to simply take him at his word that he will play 4 or 5 more years.

All that being said, the most likely scenario, IMHO is that Brady will be here long enough and play well enough, with his same passion, that JG will leave the team this year or next and the Pats will be left with just his comp pick or something slightly better if they manage to trade him in the short window they have at the end of the season.

And THAT being said, there are several other scenarios that MIGHT end up happening. I have given a lot of these possible scxenarios over the last few days, but I never claimed (at least intentionally) to KNOW what will happen. I just offer what I think the most likely will be for one and its JMHO. But I can understand the logic behind several of the other possibilities based on logic and inferences from what we know about how the Pats have worked over the past 18 years.

There is nothing wrong with anything you said here really. But yesterday you implied Brady could be beaten out this year, is likely to be next year and even if not will be fine after that.

Second, while I value your opinion and enjoy reading most of your posts, there is a reason I didn't respond to your first response to my original post yesterday. You have a tendency to get into thread wars in some threads where if I said "white", you'd say "black". and vice versa. Based on your two responses I can see that happening here, and I'm too old and busy for that stuff now.

You have over 30K posts and I have NEVER seen you ever say. "oh yeah, I see your point" or "I was wrong and you were right", so its hard to have an honest rational exchange of ideas with someone you KNOW will disagree with anything you say and won't stop until they have the last word. BTW- if you actually HAVE said those words in your 33,000 posts (I confess to not having read them all), I apologize in advance for my inaccurate impression.

Well when there is a discussion about an opinion I don't know how people would admit they are wrong unless they have a fact wrong. 90% of what I post is opinion after thinking about my opinion before posting it. People throwing hay at it isn't likely to change it. There are also subtleties within many topics, and on most cases almost everyone had good points, but there is really no point in discussing the points that are agreed upon.
As my old boss used to tell me he only talks about the bad things because we don't need to fix the good ones.
I'm sure you notice that out of your very long posts, during the season I tend to pick out 1 or 2 things that I see differently or 1 or 2 that I vehemently agree with. If I pick one or two things they are the ones I feel the strongest about so I'm not likely to change my mind based on someone else's view unless it refutes a fact my opinion is based upon.
I have certainly been wrong about factual things and predictions. Which are the other 10% of what I discuss. I don't think I've ever disputed being wrong about a fact or prediction when proven wrong.
In any event, we move on.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well, I, my time machine broke down and the shop tells me it might be a few months before I get it back. So I really have no idea what will happen over the next few years. All I can give you are scenarios that MIGHT happen and the logic behind them. There are a few really good ones. Ones that have JG taking over for Brady. To ones that have JG leaving after this year and Brady staying until at least 2019. But you're asking me what WILL happen. And, THAT, my friend, I confess to having no clue, only an educated guess. If I DID claim to know what "will" happen, then I'd be nothing more than another "hot take" monger, and we already have more than enough of those guys.

No Ken, I was asking you which you believed would happen,because in two consecutive posts you gave two opposing positions. In the one where I said your Ron Burgundy Garrapolo boner was showing you had Brady gone after 2018 and the Patriots franchising Garrapolo, which is what I think you meant when you said they would do "everything" possible to keep Garrapolo, and in your subsequent post you had Garrapolo gone. I don't care which position you take, and your Burgundy Garrapolo boner was clearly just a joke, so just tell us what you really think will happen.

I'll happily go first. I think Brady continues to play last lights out the next two years and Garrapolo will be gone after this season. I could be wrong but that is what I think.

What does Ken think?

And please get that thing looked at by a doctor, four hours is the canary in the coal mine, four years is a loss of appendage situations.

Take care Ken

 

[BradyFTW!]

As long as Brady is playing MVP-caliber football, it's foolish to seriously entertain the prospect of replacing him. I hope they do extend him. The matter of replacing him can always be tabled until he's actually declined in some notable way.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

IIRC, it was a broken play. I don't think Josh had anything to do with Brady becoming the lead blocker and I'd imagine they had a little chat afterwards.

If thats the case, then what the heck was Brady thinking!? haha

Its a broken play, let your skill guy try to get some yards and move on to the next one... I remember my reaction to that play was my jaw on the floor.. i thought he was going to get wrecked

 

[pazrul72]

If BB loses his mind where Brady goes is up to Brady.
He can prevent any trade by refusing to go there.
He would end up being traded to his choice of team or being released. BUt again this assumes bill belichick suddenly forgets how valuable the best football player in the world is.

This is the third or fourth place I have seen you state this opinion as fact. Where in Brady's contract does he have a no trade clause because I have been trying to find it on google for the past hour and have gotten nothing. So knowing this is totally left field never ever gonna happen but assume it did for discussion purposes. Cleveland offers you their first round pick next year for Brady, we are talking most likely top 10 in a QB deep draft, so you gotta pounce on that right? Based on my understanding of the CBA Brady then has two options neither of which is choose his destination, get cut, or play for the pats. He can either retire or he can play for the Browns. Where are you getting that this is not the case?