Zay Flowers to NE “worst kept secret in the league”

[Love The Drake]

I like Banks and Brents

Uber atheltic tall twitchy dbs.

If we trade out of the first into and parlay that into a second and 2 mid round picks

My draft would start

Brent’s
Banks
Dell
Rice or mingo

 

[Love The Drake]

Give me Bryce Ford Wheaton in the 3rd or 4th instead. Kids got superstar potential and you don’t have to reach for him.

Give me Bryce Ford Wheaton in the 3rd or 4th instead. Kids got superstar potential and you don’t have to reach for him.

I love Wheaton, Mingo, Rice, Dell, Downs And Andrei from Princeton In the mid rounds.

Dell is starting to become my favorite WR kid is tough.

Now that’s only if we don’t take JSN at 14 I got a feeling Jets take him at 13.

 

[Wozzy]

I love Wheaton, Mingo, Rice, Dell, Downs And Andrei from Princeton In the mid rounds.

Dell is starting to become my favorite WR kid is tough.

Now that’s only if we don’t take JSN at 14 I got a feeling Jets take him at 13.

JSN is a great prospect but I still wouldn’t take him in the first, 4.5 speed is nothing special and they already committed money to the slot position with Juju.

If Paris the OT is there or Christian Gonzalez the CB at 14 maybe, otherwise I’m trading back to the back of the first, top of the 2nd.

 

[Love The Drake]

JSN is a great prospect but I still wouldn’t take him in the first, 4.5 speed is nothing special and they already committed money to the slot position with Juju.

If Paris the OT is there or Christian Gonzalez the CB at 14 maybe, otherwise I’m trading back to the back of the first, top of the 2nd.

What if Levis or Richardson is there?

Do we pass up the chance to develop a Josh Allen Justin Herbert talent?

 

[Wozzy]

What if Levis or Richardson is there?

Do we pass up the chance to develop a Josh Allen Justin Herbert talent?

We have two good QB prospects on the team already.

Pretty sure Levis isn’t Herbert and Richardson needs years to develop… like Josh Allen did and he probably won’t grow as a passer like Allen did. The guys who develop as passers from bad to good are few and far between…. they’re extreme outliers. It’s more likely he becomes more like Lamar Jackson at best and some team schemes an offense around him to make him look better as a passer, but he won’t likely become a pocket passer and will fail in the playoffs as a result.

Want another QB prospect, they should draft Tyson Bagent, division 2 prospect from Sheperd University. Good size at 6’3, decent size at 213 but could pack another 10 pounds of muscle on and the kid threw with accuracy for volume in college. They could draft him in the 5th round on, no need to reach.

 

[Love The Drake]

We have two good QB prospects on the team already.

Pretty sure Levis isn’t Herbert and Richardson needs years to develop… like Josh Allen did and he probably won’t grow as a passer like Allen did. The guys who develop as passers from bad to good are few and far between…. they’re extreme outliers. It’s more likely he becomes more like Lamar Jackson at best and some team schemes an offense around him to make him look better as a passer, but he won’t likely become a pocket passer and will fail in the playoffs as a result.

Want another QB prospect, they should draft Tyson Bagent, division 2 prospect from Sheperd University. Good size at 6’3, decent size at 213 but could pack another 10 pounds of muscle on and the kid threw with accuracy for volume in college. They could draft him in the 5th round on, no need to reach.

Thoughts on Tanner Mckee in the third?

 

[Wozzy]

Thoughts on Tanner Mckee in the third?

Not as accurate as you’d like at his level of competition, 62% completions and roughly one interception for every two TD’s thrown in college. He has career backup written all over him, but he could improve.

 

[jays52]

The thing with guys like Tank Dell is they are one contract players. There is a litany of evidence that their bodies don’t hold up to the rigors of an NFL season. The current silly 17 game schedule only compounds this. While you certainly have the potential for some electric production fairly cheap that comes at the price of its duration.

He’s well smaller than TY Hilton who similarly slipped due to size concerns. Hilton went in the third and was a better prospect than Dell skill wise. I’m cool with one of their fourth rounders on Dell but not before given that you are looking at three years of total production from the player if he pans out.

 

[Grogan14]

If I hold up Tyreek Hill’s measurables to Flowers you’ll see the stark difference. He’s a good little prospect but not the athlete that Tyreek is.

Oh yeah… and Tyreek was a 5th round pick.

There’s zero guarantee involved in draft picks regardless of round or pedigree. Any one of them could bust for a number of reasons beyond athleticism. It doesn’t mean you stop drafting players. College is the only pool to draw young football talent from.

Washington is a similar size, weight and athlete to Gronk. He doesn’t have to match Gronk’s production to become a good player. This kid has unique size and athleticism, similar to Gronk or OJ Howard… so he could become either. It doesn’t mean you don’t try.

I trust the team that interviewed, drafted and developed Gronk to get it right.

you have hit on the key fact. Tyreek taken in 5th round.
First rounders have to be a foundational piece for your team moving forward. Can not miss on any more first rounders.
Zay has upside for sure...but he is not a can't miss prospect. I would be OK taking him in 2nd round potentially.
First rounder has to be plug and play.

 

[Love The Drake]

you have hit on the key fact. Tyreek taken in 5th round.
First rounders have to be a foundational piece for your team moving forward. Can not miss on any more first rounders.
Zay has upside for sure...but he is not a can't miss prospect. I would be OK taking him in 2nd round potentially.
First rounder has to be plug and play.

Or swing for greatness for example Josh Allen, Patrick Mahommes, TJ Watt, Lamar Jackson,
These are a few examples of guys who were thought of as projects.

But had ridiculous potential.

 

[Sicilian]

I like Flowers, and think they could do worse at 14 (even if it's a slight reach). That said, if they're going to do that, they might as well ship #14 off to Denver for Jeudy (who's less than two years older than Flowers anyway I think?).

My preference if they stick at 14 is OT or CB though, depending on who makes it there.

 

[PatsFan2]

I would say that if the Pats traded back, picked Washington later in the first, then traded back up and picked someone like Flowers in the early second, I wouldn't be complaining at all.

Zay Flowers will not make it the Second Round Book it.

 

[Wozzy]

you have hit on the key fact. Tyreek taken in 5th round.
First rounders have to be a foundational piece for your team moving forward. Can not miss on any more first rounders.
Zay has upside for sure...but he is not a can't miss prospect. I would be OK taking him in 2nd round potentially.
First rounder has to be plug and play.

I want beef with my first rounder, OT, DT, oversized TE or hyper talented LB or DE.

Planet Earth is making plenty of fast talented 6 foot tall 200 pound people…there’s a finite amount of athletic 6’6” 300 pound people. Build from the inside out.

I’ve used multiple different mock simulator’s the past couple weeks and trading back out of 14 has given me a slew of guys at the top of the second that I love.

I’ve had stacks in individual draft classes with Darnell Washington/Mazi Smith/Blake Freeland/Tyler Steen/Adetomiwa Adebawore and still walked away with Deonte Banks/Emmanuel Forbes/Tyrique Stevenson later. These are guys with first round grades IMO who can be had at the top of the second on… no need to reach.

 

[PatsFan2]

Ok here are my WRs for us

JSN
Flowers
Dell
Rice
Andrei
Mingo
Wheaton

My dream Would be to get 2 of JSN, Flowers, Dell.

Dell has shades of Steve Smith
Flowers reminds me a slightly slower Tyreek Hill
JSN has top 10 ability easily.

Jordan Addison
Trey Palmer
Marvin Mims
Jayden Reed
Josh Downs
Michael Wilson

All said hello.

 

[Love The Drake]

Jordan Addison
Trey Palmer
Marvin Mims
Jayden Reed
Josh Downs
Michael Wilson

All said hello.

Downs and Palmer are good but I prefer my list.

We all have our binkies.

 

[PatsFan2]

Tyreek is a tank for sure but he wasn’t as muscular as a rookie:


Flowers is already by no means skinny:

Looks like an NFL-ready body to me (traps upon traps) and looks very similar in terms of muscle mass to Hill in that 2017 photo above (drafted in 2016).

Zay Flowers will not be confused with Twig-quan Thornton.

 

[JMC00]

1. The Patriots panic and make a reach for someone like Cole Strange.

Strange wasn't a reach the way you, Sean McVay, Les Sneed and some others think. Reports were there were other teams at the top of the 2nd that had OL need and he was on their board.

The trade back also netted picks that got Jack Jones, Bailey Zappe and #76 this year.

 

[PatsFan2]

Downs and Palmer are good but I prefer my list.

We all have our binkies.

One Guy that really intrigues me is Jaylin Hyatt I think the Team that gets him is getting heck of game breaker. Hyatt's game speed is off the charts you can see it he plays at a different speed if he's around in the Second the Team who Drafts him have a steal on their hands. I know the knock on him is his somewhat limited route tree but I think hat's coachable you can't teach his gifted speed and OC BOB saw it up-close first hand.

 

[Keyser Söze]

When do we ever draft someone we’re supposedly all over?

 

[PatsFan2]

What if Levis or Richardson is there?

Do we pass up the chance to develop a Josh Allen Justin Herbert talent?

What do you think of Tennessee's Hendon Hooker?