WR Depth Chart

[SHOWTIME15]

We have that right now, but if we are talking about a player that was thrown to 12 times in the final 4 games to say that he is not in competition for a roster spot is unrealistic.

True, but we don't know how severe amendolas groin injury was. The fact that h is still here tells me the coaching staff thinks high of him.

 

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No I am acting like these players are all better than him –

1. Eric Decker (Signed five-year, $36.25M deal with NYJ)
2. Jeremy Maclin (Re-signed one-year, $5.5M deal with PHI)
3. Hakeem Nicks (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with IND)
4. Julian Edelman (Re-signed undisclosed deal with NE)
5. Golden Tate (Signed five-year, $31M deal with DET)
6. Anquan Boldin (Re-signed two-year, $12M deal with SF)
7. Steve Smith (Signed three-year, $11M deal with BAL)
8. Santonio Holmes
9. James Jones
10. Andre Roberts (Signed four-year, $16M deal with WAS)
11. Emmanuel Sanders (Signed three-year, $15M deal with DEN)
12. Riley Cooper (Re-signed five-year, $25M deal with PHI)
13. Sidney Rice
14. Jacoby Jones (Re-signed four-year, $12M deal with BAL)
15. Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
16. Brandon LaFell (Signed three-year, $11M deal with NE)

Amendola would be closer to Edelman than at the back of that list.

Nicks hasn't caught a TD in two years, but you put him at #3 because his injuries apparently matter, while Amendola's don't, right?

1. Jacoby Jones above Amendola? No.
2. Andre Roberts had 471 yards last year in 16 games. No.
3. McCluster had 500 yards in 15 games, mor ethan 2ypc LESS than DA. No.
4. Rice is returning from MID-season ACL, and prior to that, he had 231 yards. No.
5. Nobody's touching Santonio Holmes. No.
6./7./8. Cooper, Maclin and Boldin never made it to FA. No, no, and no.

That's half of them right there. I'll give you Decker and Tate (although Decker is not a #1). Other than that - Edelman, LaFell, Sanders, Smith, Jone, and Amendola are all in a bunch.

Your hatred of this guy has really grown old, B6.

 

[SalemPats]

Amendola would be closer to Edelman than at the back of that list.

Nicks hasn't caught a TD in two years, but you put him at #3 because his injuries apparently matter, while Amendola's don't, right?

1. Jacoby Jones above Amendola? No.
2. Andre Roberts had 471 yards last year in 16 games. No.
3. McCluster had 500 yards in 15 games, mor ethan 2ypc LESS than DA. No.
4. Rice is returning from MID-season ACL, and prior to that, he had 231 yards. No.
5. Nobody's touching Santonio Holmes. No.
6./7./8. Cooper, Maclin and Boldin never made it to FA. No, no, and no.

That's half of them right there. I'll give you Decker and Tate (although Decker is not a #1). Other than that - Edelman, LaFell, Sanders, Smith, Jone, and Amendola are all in a bunch.

Your hatred of this guy has really grown old, B6.

It's about fit. With Edelman playing the slot and being WR1, Lafell on the outside, can Amendola be a threat on the outside over the other guys. I'm not sure he can do that.

 

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It's about fit. With Edelman playing the slot and being WR1, Lafell on the outside, can Amendola be a threat on the outside over the other guys. I'm not sure he can do that.

Amendola played a higher % of his snaps in the slot than Edelman did. LaFell played a higher % of his snaps in the slot than Edelman did.

Edelman is a lot more than a slot receiver, skill-wise. There's room, plenty of room, particularly given DA and JE's injury histories.

 

[Brady6]

Amendola would be closer to Edelman than at the back of that list.

Nicks hasn't caught a TD in two years, but you put him at #3 because his injuries apparently matter, while Amendola's don't, right?

That is not my list it is Rotoworlds list. So I took the last player on that list which is LaFell who is younger, has better talent, durability, and production than Amendola and I put Amendola behind him.

Your hatred of this guy has really grown old, B6.

It is not hatred it is just a realistic view of the circumstance, Amendola is close to 29 years old and coming off his third consecutive injury filled season. He was has gone down in yards and receptions every season since 2010. The players on the list are either more productive, younger, offer more durability, possess more talent, or a combination of these things. You need to stop thinking an objective view of a player is hatred, Miles Austin is #18 on the Rotoworld list and he is the same age and has far more productive seasons than Amendola, it is not all about the players ability it is their upside, there durability and many other factors.

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick said last year that amendola can be used on the outside as well. I don't see why we can't have both edelman and amendola.

They were both on the field together a lot. There are many alignments that can use both of them, and many plays to run. As has been the case for 11 years, we will use multiple personell groupings and utiliize every game day active.
_________ is the X, _______ is the Y, ________ is the slot is not the way the Patriots work.

 

[Brady6]

Amendola played a higher % of his snaps in the slot than Edelman did. LaFell played a higher % of his snaps in the slot than Edelman did.

Edelman is a lot more than a slot receiver, skill-wise. There's room, plenty of room, particularly given DA and JE's injury histories.

Edelman moved outside to accommodate Amendola, his optimal position is the slot, and this team is most effective with him in the slot and a more effective outside receiver outside. Edelman and Amendola combined for 30 receptions on balls that carried 11+ yards in the air, they can line up in the tunnel and it would not matter because they are running underneath routes, how the Patriots disguise the routes does not determine the type of player they are.

Nobody is against Amendola being on the roster, all I said is he will not be in competition with Edelman for the starting job, and he will have to show up in camp to make the final 53 man roster. If he comes in and injuries himself Belichick is not going to do what he did in 2013 again, he will cut bait and move on, and Edelman is the starter he was productive and earned the job, the fact he is already working out with Brady indicates to me that he is going to do everything possible to keep his grasps on the job.

 

[Brady6]

True, but we don't know how severe amendolas groin injury was. The fact that h is still here tells me the coaching staff thinks high of him.

I think that it is possible if they been able to resign Edelman prior to the 3/11 date when the remainder of Amendola’s salary became fully guaranteed they would have released him, but with Edelman going to test the UFA market they could not cut Amendola and risk having no slot receiver in 2014. They are also pot committed with Amendola in 2014 to some degree it does not really offer them any upside to walk away from him.

 

[Ring 6]

No I am acting like these players are all better than him –

1. Eric Decker (Signed five-year, $36.25M deal with NYJ)
2. Jeremy Maclin (Re-signed one-year, $5.5M deal with PHI)
3. Hakeem Nicks (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with IND)
4. Julian Edelman (Re-signed undisclosed deal with NE)
5. Golden Tate (Signed five-year, $31M deal with DET)
6. Anquan Boldin (Re-signed two-year, $12M deal with SF)
7. Steve Smith (Signed three-year, $11M deal with BAL)
8. Santonio Holmes
9. James Jones
10. Andre Roberts (Signed four-year, $16M deal with WAS)
11. Emmanuel Sanders (Signed three-year, $15M deal with DEN)
12. Riley Cooper (Re-signed five-year, $25M deal with PHI)
13. Sidney Rice
14. Jacoby Jones (Re-signed four-year, $12M deal with BAL)
15. Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
16. Brandon LaFell (Signed three-year, $11M deal with NE)

Let me rephrase that actually, maybe not better but healthier and more reliable as a player.

Wow.
If this is the way this thread goes, I secede. On to one with some insight.....

 

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That is not my list it is Rotoworlds list. So I took the last player on that list which is LaFell who is younger, has better talent, durability, and production than Amendola and I put Amendola behind him.

More amazing methodology.

It is not hatred it is just a realistic view of the circumstance, Amendola is close to 29 years old and coming off his third consecutive injury filled season. He was has gone down in yards and receptions every season since 2010.

Every receiver rating site disagrees with you, but just keep pretending you're being "realistic."

The players on the list are either more productive, younger, offer more durability, possess more talent, or a combination of these things. You need to stop thinking an objective view of a player is hatred, Miles Austin is #18 on the Rotoworld list and he is the same age and has far more productive seasons than Amendola, it is not all about the players ability it is their upside, there durability and many other factors.

Well, there's a bunch of squishy nothingness. Guess you win.

 

[Brady6]

And you can continue to preach your nonsense about the depth chart from Game 12 onward until EVERYONE has you on "ignore".

For the record I have tried to place you on ignore but your moderator status makes it so I cannot do it, so considering all is not equal you should not really use my being ignored against me since I am sure people would ignore you if they could.

 

[Brady6]

More amazing methodology.

You can offer a better one if you would like.

Every receiver rating site disagrees with you, but just keep pretending you're being "realistic."

Could you show me these sites? Because I have not seen, any that suggests this claim, link, or website name please.

Well, there's a bunch of squishy nothingness. Guess you win.

I did not know it was a win/lose situation, and if it was I would prefer to lose because if Amendola proves my opinion wrong it means he played at a high level which would help this team I want to win the super bowl.

 

[Brady6]

Wow.
If this is the way this thread goes, I secede. On to one with some insight.....

This will be the last post I read of yours, I am adding you to ignore.

 

[hwc]

I don't really care about X, Y, and Z or inside/outside, because I don't think that's the way Bill Belichick looks at building a roster this time of year. I think he's trying to build a group with various skill sets that will then be deployed based on game plan, injuries, etc. Everything is personel groups. If a receiver is flexible enough to be plugged into different groups and different positions, so mucht he better.

I believe that the "starting" wide receiver group for the Patriots at this time projects to be:

Edelman
Amendola
LaFell

Assuming that he isn't on PUP or injured reserve, I expect Dobson to be the the 4th guy in the rotation. Given how often receivers miss a series or a game. I expect all four of these would get significant playing time.

The fifth WR roster spot is wide open and I don't think all of the receivers that will start training camp are currently on the roster.

 

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You can offer a better one if you would like.

Could you show me these sites? Because I have not seen, any that suggests this claim, link, or website name please.

I did - halfway through LAST MONTH...TWICE. Including one post where the follow-up was by someone who said that post should be tagged as the definitive response to you. Sties that measured aspects like Blocking, First Downs...everything, and in their stat similar to Baseball's WAR, Amendola was number 10 and Edelman was number 11, by a hair.

If I could figure out how to search my posts, I'd copy it for you, one last time. Since I can't, I'll leave you to continue your jihad. This was around the time you were saying that JE would get 6-8/year.

The best free agent week in memory - Revis, Browner, Edelman, and LaFell - and you're at it again.

I did not know it was a win/lose situation, and if it was I would prefer to lose because if Amendola proves my opinion wrong it means he played at a high level which would help this team I want to win the super bowl.

No, I suspect you're sitting on a branch like a vulture waiting for his first mistake/injury.

I'm thrilled that JE is back. Love the guy's work ethic and toughness (and no small amount of skill) - always have.

And now I promise, I'm done with this. Please quit making it a long offseason with your personal jihad against DA.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't really care about X, Y, and Z or inside/outside, because I don't think that's the way Bill Belichick looks at building a roster this time of year. I think he's trying to build a group with various skill sets that will then be deployed based on game plan, injuries, etc. Everything is personel groups. If a receiver is flexible enough to be plugged into different groups and different positions, so mucht he better.

I believe that the "starting" wide receiver group for the Patriots at this time projects to be:

Edelman
Amendola
LaFell

Assuming that he isn't on PUP or injured reserve, I expect Dobson to be the the 4th guy in the rotation. Given how often receivers miss a series or a game. I expect all four of these would get significant playing time.

The fifth WR roster spot is wide open and I don't think all of the receivers that will start training camp are currently on the roster.

I think you are selling Dobson short. He actually had a nice season aside from the injuries as improved consistently, again, aside from the injuries.
Prior to his injury his last 5 games were 22-325-3. That play, extrapolated over a season is 70-1037-9.
Now I'm not saying you can judge a player by taking a small sample and projecting it out, but those 5 games came after he had a chance to get healthy, work himself into the lineup and get comfortable (he was 13-167-1 in his first 4 which is not awful but clearly the light did go on) and the injury made those his last meaningful games. He gave it a try after that and wasn't himself.
I think there is a huge upside for Dobson.

 

[Ring 6]

I did - halfway through LAST MONTH...TWICE. Including one post where the follow-up was by someone who said that post should be tagged as the definitive response to you. Sties that measured aspects like Blocking, First Downs...everything, and in their stat similar to Baseball's WAR, Amendola was number 10 and Edelman was number 11, by a hair.

If I could figure out how to search my posts, I'd copy it for you, one last time. Since I can't, I'll leave you to continue your jihad. This was around the time you were saying that JE would get 6-8/year.

The best free agent week in memory - Revis, Browner, Edelman, and LaFell - and you're at it again.



No, I suspect you're sitting on a branch like a vulture waiting for his first mistake/injury.

I'm thrilled that JE is back. Love the guy's work ethic and toughness (and no small amount of skill) - always have.

And now I promise, I'm done with this. Please quit making it a long offseason with your personal jihad against DA.

New Patsfans rule. If Brady6 agrees to never discuss Amendola, he can choose one topic for each of us to never discuss. I will be fine with any topic at all. Do we have any takers?

 

[Ring 6]

I don't really care about X, Y, and Z or inside/outside, because I don't think that's the way Bill Belichick looks at building a roster this time of year. I think he's trying to build a group with various skill sets that will then be deployed based on game plan, injuries, etc. Everything is personel groups. If a receiver is flexible enough to be plugged into different groups and different positions, so mucht he better.

I believe that the "starting" wide receiver group for the Patriots at this time projects to be:

Edelman
Amendola
LaFell

Assuming that he isn't on PUP or injured reserve, I expect Dobson to be the the 4th guy in the rotation. Given how often receivers miss a series or a game. I expect all four of these would get significant playing time.

The fifth WR roster spot is wide open and I don't think all of the receivers that will start training camp are currently on the roster.

I think that Collie after a full season of health (concussion-wise) could also be in the mix.

 

[RayClay]

Belichick said last year that amendola can be used on the outside as well. I don't see why we can't have both edelman and amendola.

And Edelman could be used on the outside as well. Considering that Tom's strength is using quick receivers who can run crisp routes and read defenses, he will likely use both of them often.

As a matter of fact, BB signed Amendola but still signed Edelman. I think BB favors ability and versatility and doesn't confine players when they can fill many roles. So does Reiss (regarding LaFell.

He aligned in various spots in the game, and was often used in motion. He played on the outside in two-receiver sets, although the Panthers often had two receivers to the same side, and in those cases, LaFell would usually be aligned as the inside receiver. In the three-receiver set, he would mostly be in the slot as the Panthers seemed to want the speed of Steve Smith and Ted Ginn outside. LaFell showed good hands (e.g., tough sideline catch for a first down), precise route-running (e.g., 9-yard slant for a touchdown against Logan Ryan) and strength as a blocker (e.g., he leveled defensive end Andre Carter on one play). LaFell doesn't wow with speed and might be summed up best this way -- a solid-not-spectacular receiver with good size (6-2, 210) and versatility. He also boasts potential as a red zone target, and he's been durable in his four years in the NFL (just four games missed).

I don't think there is a strict depth chart. I think they design and run plays to receivers based on their proven ability to execute the offense.

 

[hwc]

I have no choice but to sell Dobson short.

Unfortunately, he just had surgery to insert screws after his broken foot failed to heal after a long rest. He will certainly miss the entire off-season and, unfortunately, there are no guarantees at this point that he will be healthy for training camp. I hope the foot heals properly, but until it does, it's impossible to pencil him in as an opening day starter.

I agree that he showed promise. If he's healthy, I think that he would be expected to be one of the four WR getting consistent playing time, although missing the off-season doesn't help.