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[jimnance]

Damn bruh, you skeered the **** outta me!
"Happy Birthday Troy Brown 80"
My 1st reaction was wtf!? Troy Brown is 80 y.o.!?! I know I'm older than him but I ain't close to 80!
Bear in mind I'm recovering from surgery so it took a few seconds to realize what was what.
Luckily, I have a strong ticker

 

[ralmat55]

What’s with 21st century people who think everything can and should be quantified?

All these draft numbers are well and good but fail to account for one of the biggest reasons draft picks fail which is that players too often becomes obsolete because of the constant coaching and personnel instability throughout the NFL.

Entering the 2022 season, only 10 coaches have been the HC of their team for, at least, 4 seasons or the length of a draftees initial contract. On average there are 8 coaching changes every year which means half the league changes head coaches every 2 years. When coaches change, schemes change, so you end up with a lot of recent draft picks who become system misfits because of it. New coaches and GMs want to succeed or fail going with “their guys” not holdovers from the previous regime.

It is patently foolish or an exercise in spin to judge the recent draft record of the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs et al by comparing them to league averages weighed down by the 22 teams that have had 2 or more Head Coaches and GMs during that time. Franchises with established systems like the Patriots should have a higher rate of success than the average.

The only true “randomness” of the process are injuries. Otherwise, it’s just the inadequate evaluations, poor judgement or misplaced objectives of those making the selections that result in failed draft picks

 

[captain stone]

Bear in mind I'm recovering from surgery so it took a few seconds to realize what was what.
Luckily, I have a strong ticker

The doctors had to open my head recently; but it's cool because they told me they found nothing there... Ah, what was I talking about...?

Glad you're feeling better!

 

[DaBruinz]

The doctors had to open my head recently; but it's cool because they told me they found nothing there... Ah, what was I talking about...?

Glad you're feeling better!

They clearly took you for every penny.. We could have told them that without all the wasted time..

 

[Zuma]

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That is a big boy. Looks in great shape. I never remember Wilfork running like that.

 

[WinstonSmith]

That is a big boy. Looks in great shape. I never remember Wilfork running like that.

I do, and it was glorious..

 

[mgteich]

What’s with 21st century people who think everything can and should be quantified?

The problem is not with using numbers. Hunches and feel don't work better in evaluating teams.

The issue is how to use numbers.

In the end, everything is quantifiable. That was true long before the 21st century started.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

What’s with 21st century people who think everything can and should be quantified?

All these draft numbers are well and good but fail to account for one of the biggest reasons draft picks fail which is that players too often becomes obsolete because of the constant coaching and personnel instability throughout the NFL.

Entering the 2022 season, only 10 coaches have been the HC of their team for, at least, 4 seasons or the length of a draftees initial contract. On average there are 8 coaching changes every year which means half the league changes head coaches every 2 years. When coaches change, schemes change, so you end up with a lot of recent draft picks who become system misfits because of it. New coaches and GMs want to succeed or fail going with “their guys” not holdovers from the previous regime.

It is patently foolish or an exercise in spin to judge the recent draft record of the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs et al by comparing them to league averages weighed down by the 22 teams that have had 2 or more Head Coaches and GMs during that time. Franchises with established systems like the Patriots should have a higher rate of success than the average.

The only true “randomness” of the process are injuries. Otherwise, it’s just the inadequate evaluations, poor judgement or misplaced objectives of those making the selections that result in failed draft picks

The biggest problem regarding draft picks isn't system change although that's certainly up there with injuries. Injuries are a killer. Most of the time its never fun switching coaches, terminology etc but players are somewhat used that by the time their in the league. It's not ideal and does hinder player development but that's the biggest reason why draft picks suffer, stall and ultimately burn out. I'd say development by a good stretch actually followed by injuries and coaching changes.

You're right about comparing a team with a new regime or w/e vs Bill and others who have almost bulletproof job security.

Anyway back to development ...

NFL prospect/player development is borderline terrible. I've touched on this subject before but year 1 is all about the team trying to get the prospect acclimated with how they do things. Coaches aren't working on a WR releases, QB mechanics or pass rushers moves although there is a little bit of that. It's mostly about install, how we run this route, how we workout etc it's all about getting that player to be a part of team. Not necessarily maxing out a prospects development as crazy as that seems.

Coaches aren't even trying to "develop" prospects until year 2 or even three depending on injury and other stuff. So development falls by the waist side right off the rip.

There's a big gap between player development and the team. I'd say roughly 70-80% of player development is on the player themselves. There just aren't many Scar's around that actually make players better. Again I think most would be surprised with that aspect. Coaches are teaching a system, installing for Sunday, working with 50+ players a week sometimes depending on injury. That's a ****t load of time and effort. Coaches just don't have the time for development.

Teams should have a guy like House in the building continually working with QB's. A WR specialist. Someone like Chuck Smith for the pass rushers. Someone that isn't necessarily there for the playbook or vs Buffalo next Sunday but specifically there for a WR releases and stems. Always looking a QB's mechanics which change over time and with age. There's a little of that in the league but not nearly enough. There's a reason these guys are so busy and the best of the best are paying them. Like if I'm a team I'm considering hiring guys like Von Miller, Robert Quinn or even a Matthew Slater. Some of these guys won't make good "coaches" but are great in other, specific areas.

There should be other "sides" on a team but NFL coaching is full nepotism and good old boys. If you ever put these guys on a board they'd look like an inbred family with so much crisscrossing and ties to each other. I suspect a lot would have trouble giving up "control" or w/e you want to call it. I'd go as far as to say they should extend that to drafting as well if not let the "development" side have a say. There's definitely room for improvement there as well.

I think player development would be #1 though. Teams should absolutely invest more in this area and be looking to really maximize each players skill set and tools.

 

[Patsgofor4]

NFL prospect/player development is borderline terrible. I've touched on this subject before but year 1 is all about the team trying to get the prospect acclimated with how they do things. Coaches aren't working on a WR releases, QB mechanics or pass rushers moves although there is a little bit of that. It's mostly about install, how we run this route, how we workout etc it's all about getting that player to be a part of team. Not necessarily maxing out a prospects development as crazy as that seems.

Coaches aren't even trying to "develop" prospects until year 2 or even three depending on injury and other stuff. So development falls by the waist side right off the rip.

There's a big gap between player development and the team. I'd say roughly 70-80% of player development is on the player themselves. There just aren't many Scar's around that actually make players better. Again I think most would be surprised with that aspect. Coaches are teaching a system, installing for Sunday, working with 50+ players a week sometimes depending on injury. That's a ****t load of time and effort. Coaches just don't have the time for development.

Teams should have a guy like House in the building continually working with QB's. A WR specialist. Someone like Chuck Smith for the pass rushers. Someone that isn't necessarily there for the playbook or vs Buffalo next Sunday but specifically there for a WR releases and stems. Always looking a QB's mechanics which change over time and with age. There's a little of that in the league but not nearly enough. There's a reason these guys are so busy and the best of the best are paying them. Like if I'm a team I'm considering hiring guys like Von Miller, Robert Quinn or even a Matthew Slater. Some of these guys won't make good "coaches" but are great in other, specific areas.

There should be other "sides" on a team but NFL coaching is full nepotism and good old boys. If you ever put these guys on a board they'd look like an inbred family with so much crisscrossing and ties to each other. I suspect a lot would have trouble giving up "control" or w/e you want to call it. I'd go as far as to say they should extend that to drafting as well if not let the "development" side have a say. There's definitely room for improvement there as well.

I think player development would be #1 though. Teams should absolutely invest more in this area and be looking to really maximize each players skill set and tools.

That is mainly the fault of the players themselves, with a big assist from their union. The severe limits on offseason coach-player contact, on the number of OTA, minicamp and training camp sessions and, finally, on the number of padded practices with actual contact, make it virtually impossible for coaches to spend as much time as they would like to on the fundamentals at each position. Coaches hate the restrictions but their owners went along with the players’ proposals, because the owners’ primary CBA goal is maximizing their own bank accounts.

 

[jimnance]

The problem is not with using numbers. Hunches and feel don't work better in evaluating teams.

The issue is how to use numbers.

In the end, everything is quantifiable. That was true long before the 21st century started.

Bill Belichick and pretty much every good coach in any sport disagrees with this.
But especially in football many facets of most positions are not quantifiable by numbers. You should know better than this, you been here a while

 

[UrbanCowboy]

I do, and it was glorious..

That interception return where Wilfork's belly was flopping all over the place was pretty funny. No disrespect intended, he was an amazingly athlete for his size..

 

[ralmat55]

Free agency, after only 4 seasons (5 for 1st rounders if option picked up), has significantly devalued the drafting and development of young players as a team building method.

Frankly, it is not cost effective to invest 3 years of coaching, unproductive playing time, and a roster spot on a player to develop them into a good, productive player only to have the player leave in FA after their 4th season or have to pay market to keep their services.

It’s not just the instability of coaching staffs and front offices. The NFL is a NOW business for players as well. If they don’t get it quick, someone else will. There’s a new batch of draft prospects every year, and there’s always a class of low-cost, short-term free agents available to replace any young player that doesn’t develop quickly.

 

[captain stone]

Free agency, after only 4 seasons (5 for 1st rounders if option picked up), has significantly devalued the drafting and development of young players as a team building method...

I feel that free agency has actually increased the value of D & D as a team-building method... With so much annual turnover, if you're unable to pick good players every year and have those chosen within the top 100 ready to contribute during their first seasons, then you end up like the NEP post-TB...

Frankly, it is not cost effective to invest 3 years of coaching, unproductive playing time, and a roster spot on a player to develop them into a good, productive player only to have the player leave in FA after their 4th season or have to pay market to keep their services.

Not following your line of thinking regarding what is and what is not cost-effective...

It’s not just the instability of coaching staffs and front offices. The NFL is a NOW business for players as well. If they don’t get it quick, someone else will. There’s a new batch of draft prospects every year, and there’s always a class of low-cost, short-term free agents available to replace any young player that doesn’t develop quickly.

Good players will develop faster than those who aren't as good... The trick is to identify those who will...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

That is mainly the fault of the players themselves, with a big assist from their union. The severe limits on offseason coach-player contact, on the number of OTA, minicamp and training camp sessions and, finally, on the number of padded practices with actual contact, make it virtually impossible for coaches to spend as much time as they would like to on the fundamentals at each position. Coaches hate the restrictions but their owners went along with the players’ proposals, because the owners’ primary CBA goal is maximizing their own bank accounts.

We might be talking about different things. I'm specifically talking about teams hiring specialists as part of the staff or w/e you want to call it in season. Except they're working on different things, specific to development. Coaches only have so much for that. Again most of their time is spent on install, getting a prospect acclimated into the system and what's expected of them. Most teams won't even look into really developing until year two and that can get pushed back with injury.

I don't see any reason that union would prevent that.

I understand, probably better than most that some guys just wont work out. That said teams leave a ton of meat on the bone when it comes to development.

 

[Zuma]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[captain stone]

That's what needs to happen to that dude a LOT more often... Knock the ****ing jumpy punk right the **** outta him...

 

[captain stone]

He might as well take ownership; he's one of the most talented players on the team already.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

He might as well take ownership; he's one of the most talented players on the team already.

He been "Mac the Mayor" this offseason. Donating time and money, at C's & B's games, rubbing elbows with Joey Public. Come September we need him to be "Magic Mac" to get on Allen's tier.

There's maybe 5 QB's in the league that could make that second play from Allen.


He's got a good group to work with. The offense really is ready to go. If we have a stable OL any top 12 QB is going 65% 30/10. History says we'll get a competent defense. And Bill can still coach even if he's approaching 80.