BobDigital
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Personally I don't think we trade Butler unless a team get stupid. Reasons why
#1 Value of the pick. Talib for half a year was worth a 4th. I think Talib and Butler are fairly comparable players from a value stand point so that is a good measuring stick. Lets call 1 full year of Butler worth a 3rd (maybe low 2nd like Chandler Jones) then. That is what I think it is worth. This is what the value SHOULD be. The issue is we will get a 3rd when he leaves anyway. Yes part of the deal can be him promising to sign there long term but if that can happen next year if you pony up the money why not wait?
#2 Teams in the market for a 1 year rental. I firmly believe the Pats want a 1st or at least high 2nd for him. That being said what teams would give up such value for what could be a 1 year player or a guy you will need to pay big bucks to after this year and could try to get in FA next year? The only reasonably answer should be teams a #1 CB away. So this would mean the teams most likely to be in the market are those the Pats will be very possibly facing in big games. The lesser teams have higher picks and so less likely to trade them. Any team is weary about making your top competition stronger. The worse a team is the further away they are and the more they need to build giving the pick this year more value.
#3 Butler isn't a locker room distraction. Guys they shipped out for bad prices (ala Collins) where issues in the locker room it seems. Bill won't let a good asset go over a contract dispute as long as he is a good team mate. We saw it with Mankins/Seymour/ect. They cut bait when you hurt the team or they feel you are about to fall off a cliff or they can get good value. Also the players in that situation they let go where arguably over paid. Butler isn't.
So generally for Butler to be gone the Pats probably want at least better than the Chandler Jones trade. But the amount of teams in the market for this player who aren't willing to wait a year are in win now mode and many we don't want to help. The only trade Partners I see as possible are GB/Dallas. Do we really want to help those teams? It could come back to bite us. I don't think we give him to an AFC contender. Also those teams have not shown interest.
IMO NO would be stupid to trade for Butler. Why give up a first or second when you can't win this year anyway? Wait for FA. Also the Pats aren't giving Butler up for a 3rd IMO so it be 42 at least. Steep price for a player you will have to pay after this year and could try to get after this year anyway.
Thoughts?
#1 Value of the pick. Talib for half a year was worth a 4th. I think Talib and Butler are fairly comparable players from a value stand point so that is a good measuring stick. Lets call 1 full year of Butler worth a 3rd (maybe low 2nd like Chandler Jones) then. That is what I think it is worth. This is what the value SHOULD be. The issue is we will get a 3rd when he leaves anyway. Yes part of the deal can be him promising to sign there long term but if that can happen next year if you pony up the money why not wait?
#2 Teams in the market for a 1 year rental. I firmly believe the Pats want a 1st or at least high 2nd for him. That being said what teams would give up such value for what could be a 1 year player or a guy you will need to pay big bucks to after this year and could try to get in FA next year? The only reasonably answer should be teams a #1 CB away. So this would mean the teams most likely to be in the market are those the Pats will be very possibly facing in big games. The lesser teams have higher picks and so less likely to trade them. Any team is weary about making your top competition stronger. The worse a team is the further away they are and the more they need to build giving the pick this year more value.
#3 Butler isn't a locker room distraction. Guys they shipped out for bad prices (ala Collins) where issues in the locker room it seems. Bill won't let a good asset go over a contract dispute as long as he is a good team mate. We saw it with Mankins/Seymour/ect. They cut bait when you hurt the team or they feel you are about to fall off a cliff or they can get good value. Also the players in that situation they let go where arguably over paid. Butler isn't.
So generally for Butler to be gone the Pats probably want at least better than the Chandler Jones trade. But the amount of teams in the market for this player who aren't willing to wait a year are in win now mode and many we don't want to help. The only trade Partners I see as possible are GB/Dallas. Do we really want to help those teams? It could come back to bite us. I don't think we give him to an AFC contender. Also those teams have not shown interest.
IMO NO would be stupid to trade for Butler. Why give up a first or second when you can't win this year anyway? Wait for FA. Also the Pats aren't giving Butler up for a 3rd IMO so it be 42 at least. Steep price for a player you will have to pay after this year and could try to get after this year anyway.
Thoughts?
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