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Why has Welker not been extended?

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anyone care to guess how much for how long he's likely to accept?

4 Mill per year for 3years?
 
anyone care to guess how much for how long he's likely to accept?

4 Mill per year for 3years?

like hell. The jets will give him more than that. I am thinking he will get 4 at 6 with about 8 as a SB.
 
maybe Welker wants to see whats on the open market ? that dose not mean he wont sign with the pats for less but a lot of players do that they like to see with they are worth
 
How can the guy who caught more passes than anyone in the NFL for the last 4 years clash with getting the ball to a TE who will do less with it?

BTW, even playing on a surgically repaired knee last year, Welker still has 35 more receptions over the last 4 years than the second highest guy.

Yeah, anyone can replace the receiver who catches the most passes

Thank you voice of reason. He is a 8 yard reception machine. Virtually uncoverable underneath.

We all know Welker is 30. I admit that at 30 wide receivers slow down. Most of the fast wideouts in the league go past thirty and then they have to become good route runners. Welker never was fast and is the ultimate route runner. His skills will be ideal for the Pats offense for years to come.
 
We didn't have Gronkowski, Branch, and Hernandez combining for over 130 catches in 2007-2009.

So what. Kevin Faulk averaged 47 receptions during those years and had 6 last year. Welker will clear 100 catches this year with those guys +Ocho. Last year's down production was the ACL. He has not been 100% since the injury. He declared the other day that he is now better than ever. Watch and learn.
 
I think welker stays. THere is no indication that he cant keep on going at a high level.
 
I'm so surprised the Pats are letting the last contract year play out and see how things go. They never do that.

/sarcasam off
 
Because of pigmentation, people compare him to Welker.
Welker, most passes caught in the NFL in the last 4 years. Btw, there are only 8 guys within ONE HUNDRED of him.
Edelman, a guy who makes the roster, returns kicks and gets on the field once in a while at WR.
Yeah, who needs Brady when you have Hoyer

Edelman is, like Welker, (and unlike Price and Tate) a slot receiver. He's not in the same universe as a player, at least not at this point, but he's the obvious less expensive in-house replacement, and in the games that Welker missed in 2009 he did a pretty good job standing in for him. It's also not just Edelman: while Welker-quality receivers are hard to find, decent slot receivers (Bess, Lance Moore, Amendola) are cheap and plentiful.

The question is whether you'd rather have an older Welker on a large contract or Edelman (or another cheapo slot receiver) plus the cash. It's a tough call at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if they go with option two.
 
Edelman is, like Welker, (and unlike Price and Tate) a slot receiver. , at least not at this point, but he's the obvious less expensive in-house replacement, and in the games that Welker missed in 2009 he did a pretty good job standing in for him. It's also not just Edelman: while Welker-quality receivers are hard to find, decent slot receivers (Bess, Lance Moore, Amendola) are cheap and plentiful.

The question is whether you'd rather have an older Welker on a large contract or Edelman (or another cheapo slot receiver) plus the cash. It's a tough call at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if they go with option two.

Its interesting how you go from "Edelman can do 75% of his job for about 20% of the cost" to "He's not in the same universe as a player".

Which is it?

Or do you not find those opinions conflict?
 
Its interesting how you go from "Edelman can do 75% of his job for about 20% of the cost" to "He's not in the same universe as a player".

Which is it?

Or do you not find those opinions conflict?

They do not conflict. A guy is not in the same universe as someone if he can only provide 75% of the production. I think 2012-2014 Welker is going to be a lot like 2010 Welker, a 80 catch/800 yard guys, and I think Edelman could be a 60 catch/600 yard guy, so 75% of the same player but not nearly as good.

EDIT: Now I could be totally wrong and Welker could be a 100 catch/1000 yard guy in 2012 and beyond, I'm just assuming that he gets a little worse over time, and a guy like Edelman gets better.
 
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Here's a great idea, get rid of Brady's favorite target in the prime of their careers. They would be far less likely to win a championship but they might save some money, and that's what matters most.


I can't wait for the "Mallett is the future, save money and trade Brady" threads. Truth be told I am surprised they haven't started already given Mallett's performance in the pre-season game.
 
Here's a great idea, get rid of Brady's favorite target in the prime of their careers. They would be far less likely to win a championship but they might save some money, and that's what matters most.


I can't wait for the "Mallett is the future, save money and trade Brady" threads. Truth be told I am surprised they haven't started already given Mallett's performance in the pre-season game.


1.) Welker will be 31 in 2012. That's getting old for a receiver--it's not the prime of his career.

2.) I'm sure they'd spend the money elsewhere, like a pass rusher.
 
1.) Welker will be 31 in 2012. That's getting old for a receiver--it's not the prime of his career.

2.) I'm sure they'd spend the money elsewhere, like a pass rusher.


1) He's 30, that's mid career not the twighlight of it.

2) That has worked out great for them in the past. Rosie Colvin and AD say hi.




It is literally insane that people want top get rid of the guy who can bail Brady out of any blitz , just because......(insert any horrible example here)


I swear to god that people come to believe that winning their fantasy league makes them knowledgeable enough to offer up batsh.t crazy ideas like this.



I weould be willin g to bet that Welker signs a new deal for approximately 4 years at around 25 million with 15 guaranteed, and that would be a good deal for the Patriots and a weak one for Welker, who, like Light, Bruschi and others wants to be a Patriot much more than he wants to max out a new deal.
 
Yeah, I did recall that as had written my response. Two expressions: Talk is cheap, and money talks. Translation: I'll believe it when I see it.

So you're saying that money is cheap?
 
Last week, many of the comments were about how Edelman wouldn't even make the team somehow, now this week it's about how we should keep Edelman over Wes Welker. I just don't get this place sometimes, as much as I love all of the posters..

Well, that's what happens when someone takes a message board with many hundreds of posters and try to cram their opinions all into a consensus. Admittedly, that's what our brains try to do, but it's not necessarily the best approach.
 
Obviously they are going to use the non-contract to Welker to help motivate Edleman as he is the heir apparent to Welker .

Welker is a guy who helps move the chains and with the exception of a few passes is on the same page as Brady. Does that mean BB won't resign him, definitely not as every year each player has to prove they are the starter and there is no sense of entitlement for being veteran.

as for Welker getting older? He's not exactly a speed demon now so his bread and butter is finding the seam and making quick cuts. Assuming the ACL injury takes 2 years to recover, Welker's still trying to get his feet under him...yeah, that means more offense from him in 2011 provided there's enough to go around.

With the RBs and their apparent ability, do we have any doubt we'll crank out plenty of 10+ play drives this year (given the current state of the WR group)?
 
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Edelman is, like Welker, (and unlike Price and Tate) a slot receiver. He's not in the same universe as a player, at least not at this point, but he's the obvious less expensive in-house replacement, and in the games that Welker missed in 2009 he did a pretty good job standing in for him. It's also not just Edelman: while Welker-quality receivers are hard to find, decent slot receivers (Bess, Lance Moore, Amendola) are cheap and plentiful.

The question is whether you'd rather have an older Welker on a large contract or Edelman (or another cheapo slot receiver) plus the cash. It's a tough call at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if they go with option two.
Its a tough call whether you would rather have the best guy in the league, maybe ever, at his job, or someone cheaper who might be able to play the position?
 
I know this is going to get me in a lot of heat, but you really cannot talk about Wes Welker's production from 2007-wk 4,2010 without talking about Randy Moss. With Moss, Wes only had 8 games with fewer than 5 receptions over a 3 year and 4 wk period (I'm ignoring the wk 17 '09 Houston game - not his fault he only had one catch). That's amazing. Even more amazing when you consider Brady was gone for a year.

But, without Moss, Welker quickly racked up 5 games in 2010 where he caught fewer than 5 passes...over only 11 weeks (again, wk 17 is ignored). That's relevant. You can talk about the knee, and I get it, but it really didn't seem to hurt his reception totals through wks 1-4 of 2010. I don't doubt he was still not 100% through 2010. But I'd argue that his receptions where still on regular course because of Moss's presence (even despite horrid production from #81).

Let's look at Eddleman. In 2009, I believe there were 4 games where Welker was out and Eddleman took over his role (note, took over for Wes, not just played along side Wes). Those were: wk 2 against the Jets, wk 3 against ATL, wk 17 against Houston (minus one series), and the playoff game against Balt. All featured Moss, even the Houston game once Brady re-entered, if I recall. Eddleman racked up: 8,3,10, and 6 receptions. Too small of a sample size, I know, but that does project to 108 receptions in a full season. To even it out, we are essentially counting 8 out of those hypothetical 16 games against the Jets and Ravens. That's pretty good. But, I'd argue it's due to his role in that scheme dictated by personnel (i.e. Moss). Without the above, I highly question wether Eddleman is capable of those numbers.

So basically, I think Moss was kind of like a big warm security blanket for whoever was in the slot in this offense. He could boost reception totals for either player within that role. And if Moss was a long term commitment, then yes, I think you can argue that Wes would be good trade bait. But Moss is no longer here. He isn't coming back. Nor is he replaceable in terms of dictating coverage (has anyone, ever, drawn insane coverages the way Randy did?). Here's the rub. We've already seen what Wes can do w/o Moss. It's still very good. Can we say the same for Eddleman? Hell, no. To make matters worse, honestly, we really only had a brief snapshot of Julian's ability even with Moss. Sure he looked good in those 4 games, but we may have been significantly overrating him. His drop w/o Moss may be far more severe.

DISCLAIMER - Please do not misinterpret. I'm not arguing in favor of Randy's return or arguing that the old scheme was superior, or anything. Just that it's a team game and Welker, Eddleman, or whoever played slot benefited from Moss. People wonder why/if/when Welker can return to his former glory, and I strongly believe it's simply not possible without a receiver who can dictate an extreme over-compensation in coverage like Moss could. Welker is still good. Wouldn't be surprised if he's as good as ever. But not '120 receptions' good. IMO, more like '85 receptions' good.

That's fine by me when paired with all the other weapons, and I like this strategy better than what the offense looked like when Brady simply locked onto Moss and if covered simply dumped down to Welker.
 
Its a tough call whether you would rather have the best guy in the league, maybe ever, at his job, or someone cheaper who might be able to play the position?

Yeah, like the Mallett argument...
 
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