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Why do they think if you can play RG, you can play LG? Why do they think of you can play RT, you can play LT? Why do they think if you can play T you can play guard? ETC.
Onwenu played LG before. He sucked. Not every OL can change sides, positions etc. Onwenu can play 2 positions but I think that is all. Onwenu is ok at RT. Better at RG. Leave him on the right.
Wallace always has played RT, they draft him and put him at LT. He shows he can't play there.
There is a big difference side to side and postion to position. Some can do it. Others can't Cannon was a good RT. Absolute garbage at LT. Many others have the shown the same problems. I don't know why the coaching staff has to keep touching the stove to find out the burner is hot.
 
they are just trying to find a grouping that works... the line has been a disaster... they are doing anything, everything they can think up to fix it... the stats show that the pressure rate has dropped from 33% to 20% after switching from brisket to maye... but the scrambles have basically doubled... so its been about a wash... and add to that the 13 sacks maye has taken... the mobility of maye has been the only saving grace really...

Wolf needs to start roster churning, looking at guys on practice squads across the league... might find some help there. might not... its better than doing nothing.
 

Why do they think if you can play RG, you can play LG? Why do they think of you can play RT, you can play LT? Why do they think if you can play T you can play guard? ETC.
Onwenu played LG before. He sucked. Not every OL can change sides, positions etc. Onwenu can play 2 positions but I think that is all. Onwenu is ok at RT. Better at RG. Leave him on the right.
Wallace always has played RT, they draft him and put him at LT. He shows he can't play there.
There is a big difference side to side and postion to position. Some can do it. Others can't Cannon was a good RT. Absolute garbage at LT. Many others have the shown the same problems. I don't know why the coaching staff has to keep touching the stove to find out the burner is hot.
Even with 10 OL's on the roster instead of the 8 or 9 we sometimes have, we still need flexibility.

Without the ability to play more than one position on the OL, the team is especially vulnerable to injuries.

Consider the obvious issue at center. IMO, we need to have three players who can play center. A starter, a backup C and a backup G/C.
When our backup center went on IR, our backup stepped up to being the backup. We didn't bother to find a replacement #3 until the starter and the backup failed.

At OT, the norm is 2 starters and two backups. Sometimes the #3 can play both LT and RT and the #4 can be an OG/OT or OT on the PS. The team believed that they had Lowe, Onwenu, Okorafor and Wallace as our four. Obviously, this was no where enough, especially with the injuries to Lowe and Wallace. As an aside, there was a Plan C for OT #5. That was Anderson or whoever we could pick up on waivers picking third. That #5 OT was Jacobs.
 
they are just trying to find a grouping that works... the line has been a disaster... they are doing anything, everything they can think up to fix it... the stats show that the pressure rate has dropped from 33% to 20% after switching from brisket to maye... but the scrambles have basically doubled... so its been about a wash... and add to that the 13 sacks maye has taken... the mobility of maye has been the only saving grace really...

Wolf needs to start roster churning, looking at guys on practice squads across the league... might find some help there. might not... its better than doing nothing.
I understand they need to "fix" the OL. But I don't see how moving Onwenu to a position that he has sucked at in the past, fixes things.

Onwenu at LG and who at RG?
Layden Robinson? the guy who benched in he first quarter last week?
Sidy Sow? the guy who who looked good last year, but terrible this year? and i believe he is still hurt.
Tyrese Robinson fresh from the Vikings PS? At least he has played RG, I suppose.

Why don't they try this? Put their (maybe)best lineman, Onwenu, at his best position RG IMO and leave him there? Put your best LT,Lowe, at LT and leave him there? Put your best RT, Jacobs at RT and leave him there. Put your best C Brown at center, and your best LG probably Jordan at LG and leave him there. That way they MIGHT be able to build some continuity.

I don't see how putting Onwenu at arguably his 3rd best position and a spot which he has sucked at in the past helps. It is not like they have Brian Waters and Seb Vollmer lining up on the right side. If/when someone gets hurt/struggles/ returns swap out just that position. That way you have fewer moving parts. I.E. Strange comes back, sit Jordan if Strange is better. Strange is used to playing left guard since that is the only position he has played in the NFL. None of the patriots OL look to have the versatility to play well at multiple positions.
So far this season, Jacobs is definitely better at RT, Lowe is definitely better at LT. Onwenu is a good RG and passable at best at RT. I don't remember him at C or LT but was terrible at LG. Rant over.
 
Even with 10 OL's on the roster instead of the 8 or 9 we sometimes have, we still need flexibility.

Without the ability to play more than one position on the OL, the team is especially vulnerable to injuries.

Consider the obvious issue at center. IMO, we need to have three players who can play center. A starter, a backup C and a backup G/C.
When our backup center went on IR, our backup stepped up to being the backup. We didn't bother to find a replacement #3 until the starter and the backup failed.

At OT, the norm is 2 starters and two backups. Sometimes the #3 can play both LT and RT and the #4 can be an OG/OT or OT on the PS. The team believed that they had Lowe, Onwenu, Okorafor and Wallace as our four. Obviously, this was no where enough, especially with the injuries to Lowe and Wallace. As an aside, there was a Plan C for OT #5. That was Anderson or whoever we could pick up on waivers picking third. That #5 OT was Jacobs.
I posted this before but it kind of responds to what you said.
I understand the basics of OL play and the need for backups and Versatility. 2 starters and 2 backups etc. 1 backup OT who can play both sides and one who can move inside, etc.
I just don't know why the Pats want to keep moving pieces around. Let the players play their best positions and give them a chance to succeed. LG and RG ARE 2 different positions. LT and RT ARE 2 different positions. Many people on this board were wondering why the Pats chose a person who only played RT and a person who only played RG in the draft when their only "set" positions were RG Onwenu or Sow and RT Okerafor and Onwenu. Why did they thin they could move Wallace to the left side when he has only played the right side in college. Why did they choose Layden Robinson when he only had played RG and they had either Onwenu who they just paid big money to or Sow who had a pretty decent rookie year at Guard. (he was awful at RT) Sometimes it works out, but often times it doesn't. Since Strange going to be out for who knew how long, they probably wanted Sow to play LG as he did in college. But we have seen how that worked out. Maybe their plan was Sow at LG and Onwenu at RG and Okarafor at RT wit Wallace backing him up . At least that makes some sense. They just could not identify talent or lack of.
I understand they need to "fix" the OL. But I don't see how moving Onwenu to a position that he has sucked at in the past, fixes things.

Onwenu at LG and who at RG?
Layden Robinson? the guy who benched in he first quarter last week?
Sidy Sow? the guy who who looked good last year, but terrible this year? and i believe he is still hurt.
Tyrese Robinson fresh from the Vikings PS? At least he has played RG, I suppose.

Why don't they try this? Put their (maybe)best lineman, Onwenu, at his best position RG IMO and leave him there? Put your best LT,Lowe, at LT and leave him there? Put your best RT, Jacobs at RT and leave him there. Put your best C Brown at center, and your best LG probably Jordan at LG and leave him there. That way they MIGHT be able to build some continuity.

I don't see how putting Onwenu at arguably his 3rd best position and a spot which he has sucked at in the past helps. It is not like they have Brian Waters and Seb Vollmer lining up on the right side. If/when someone gets hurt/struggles/ returns swap out just that position. That way you have fewer moving parts. I.E. Strange comes back, sit Jordan if Strange is better. Strange is used to playing left guard since that is the only position he has played in the NFL. None of the patriots OL look to have the versatility to play well at multiple positions.
So far this season, Jacobs is definitely better at RT, Lowe is definitely better at LT. Onwenu is a good RG and passable at best at RT. I don't remember him at C or LT but was terrible at LG. Rant over.
 
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Why do they think if you can play RG, you can play LG? Why do they think of you can play RT, you can play LT? Why do they think if you can play T you can play guard? ETC.
Onwenu played LG before. He sucked. Not every OL can change sides, positions etc. Onwenu can play 2 positions but I think that is all. Onwenu is ok at RT. Better at RG. Leave him on the right.
Wallace always has played RT, they draft him and put him at LT. He shows he can't play there.
There is a big difference side to side and postion to position. Some can do it. Others can't Cannon was a good RT. Absolute garbage at LT. Many others have the shown the same problems. I don't know why the coaching staff has to keep touching the stove to find out the burner is hot.
Without the ability to play more than one position on the OL, the team is especially vulnerable to injuries.

Consider the obvious issue at center. IMO, we need to have three players who can play center. A starter, a backup C and a backup G/C.
When our backup center went on IR, our backup stepped up to being the backup. We didn't bother to find a replacement #3 until the starter and the backup failed.
 
I posted this before but it kind of responds to what you said.
I understand the basics of OL play and the need for backups and Versatility. 2 starters and 2 backups etc. 1 backup OT who can play both sides and one who can move inside, etc.
I just don't know why the Pats want to keep moving pieces around. Let the players play their best positions and give them a chance to succeed. LG and RG ARE 2 different positions. LT and RT ARE 2 different positions. Many people on this board were wondering why the Pats chose a person who only played RT and a person who only played RG in the draft when their only "set" positions were RG Onwenu or Sow and RT Okerafor and Onwenu. Why did they thin they could move Wallace to the left side when he has only played the right side in college. Why did they choose Layden Robinson when he only had played RG and they had either Onwenu who they just paid big money to or Sow who had a pretty decent rookie year at Guard. (he was awful at RT) Sometimes it works out, but often times it doesn't. Since Strange going to be out for who knew how long, they probably wanted Sow to play LG as he did in college. But we have seen how that worked out. Maybe their plan was Sow at LG and Onwenu at RG and Okarafor at RT wit Wallace backing him up . At least that makes some sense. They just could not identify talent or lack of.
I understand they need to "fix" the OL. But I don't see how moving Onwenu to a position that he has sucked at in the past, fixes things.

Onwenu at LG and who at RG?
Layden Robinson? the guy who benched in he first quarter last week?
Sidy Sow? the guy who who looked good last year, but terrible this year? and i believe he is still hurt.
Tyrese Robinson fresh from the Vikings PS? At least he has played RG, I suppose.

Why don't they try this? Put their (maybe)best lineman, Onwenu, at his best position RG IMO and leave him there? Put your best LT,Lowe, at LT and leave him there? Put your best RT, Jacobs at RT and leave him there. Put your best C Brown at center, and your best LG probably Jordan at LG and leave him there. That way they MIGHT be able to build some continuity.

I don't see how putting Onwenu at arguably his 3rd best position and a spot which he has sucked at in the past helps. It is not like they have Brian Waters and Seb Vollmer lining up on the right side. If/when someone gets hurt/struggles/ returns swap out just that position. That way you have fewer moving parts. I.E. Strange comes back, sit Jordan if Strange is better. Strange is used to playing left guard since that is the only position he has played in the NFL. None of the patriots OL look to have the versatility to play well at multiple positions.
So far this season, Jacobs is definitely better at RT, Lowe is definitely better at LT. Onwenu is a good RG and passable at best at RT. I don't remember him at C or LT but was terrible at LG. Rant over.
I agree with all your comments.

BTW, I hadn't seen the absolutely ridiculous idea that Onwenu be tried at LG.
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IMO, I agree that we should NOT be moving players unless there is an injury emergency. Unfortunately, that means that Onwenu needs to move to RT anytime Lowe or Jacobs is injured.

Barring injuries, there should be ZERO changes except possibly at LG. We have Lowe, ???, Brown, Onwenu, Jacobs with none of the backups close to as good as these FOUR starters.

LEFT GUARD
JORDAN is our best LG, but not really good enough to make any NFL team, disappointing since SOW was supposed to be better.
If there is to be an experiment until STRANGE returns, then try starting and developing ROBINSON. ONWENU is our RG for the next 3 years. If ROBINSON is a special player for the future, then he may provide more value if he can be developed to play LG, even of that take a couple of years.
 
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Why don't they try this? Put their (maybe)best lineman, Onwenu, at his best position RG IMO and leave him there? Put your best LT,Lowe, at LT and leave him there? Put your best RT, Jacobs at RT and leave him there. Put your best C Brown at center, and your best LG probably Jordan at LG and leave him there. That way they MIGHT be able to build some continuity.
I agree. Continuity on the OL will help to develop the rest of the Offense more than trying to develop ROBINSON or WALLACE. As an aside, I do understand trying to develop these two. I could see us sitting JORDAN or JACOBS if the production is close. However, my choice would be the same as yours: start our best 5 healthy OL's and keep them at the same positions.

Personally, I could see us improved over earlier this year with some continuity and greatly improved if STRANGE is able to come back.
 
They can rearrange the furniture all they want, but the reality is they don’t have have the right furniture. Unfortunately the arrogance (read: ineptitude) of Wolf has backfired after him going on record saying he was confident in what they had in the OL going into the season.

It didn’t take someone with an OL eye of Scar to recognize this OL was not suitable going into this season, and anyone keeping a remote eye on the OL roster building knew it and discussed it as it all happened in real time. It doesn’t cut it for an alleged “run first” team per staff who can’t get 3 yards a carry for their RBs, or who can’t protect their QB who could be the future.
 
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Cant spell GOAT without Mayo.
 
Agree with everything here. I get needing versatility but you would think that if dude has gone this far (pros) and never played a different OL position, the chances of them doing well at a new position would be slim. The time to try them at different places on the line is preseason and maybe practice. Can’t draft guys and HOPE they can play outside their natural position. They could be in a “don’t give a ****” scenario and seeing how these guys do so they can properly draft next years draft and an additional FA….IMO they need at least 4 linemen in next year at least. Maybe 3 and a FA….minimum.
 

Why do they think if you can play RG, you can play LG? Why do they think of you can play RT, you can play LT? Why do they think if you can play T you can play guard? ETC.
Onwenu played LG before. He sucked. Not every OL can change sides, positions etc. Onwenu can play 2 positions but I think that is all. Onwenu is ok at RT. Better at RG. Leave him on the right.
Wallace always has played RT, they draft him and put him at LT. He shows he can't play there.
There is a big difference side to side and postion to position. Some can do it. Others can't Cannon was a good RT. Absolute garbage at LT. Many others have the shown the same problems. I don't know why the coaching staff has to keep touching the stove to find out the burner is hot.
Square peg in a round hole it's a ******ed approach: shows the inexperience and stupidity of our Coaching staff.
 
Square peg in a round hole it's a ******ed approach: shows the inexperience and stupidity of our Coaching staff.
“Quick, we need to figure out our OL! Got the playoffs coming soon!”
 
“Quick, we need to figure out our OL! Got the playoffs coming soon!”
It wouldn't do us any good to just keep Five guys Together in Two games. Let's keep stirring the pot... throw **** at the wall and hope something sticks. IF the Krafts are alive mentally they would clean house: what an abysmal cast.
 
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The front office's negligence at OL is malpractice, pure and simple.
 
All Jokes aside, if they could field this unit it would be the best offensive line they have fielded all season.

LT – Vederian Lowe
LG – Sidy Sow
OC – Cole Strange
RG – Michael Onwenu
RT – Demontrey Jacobs

The coaches need to stop being idiots and moving guys around. Onwenu already showed he isn't very good on the left side, what's the point of shifting him over there... none. These guys are clueless if that's the plan.
 
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