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Should the Patriots cut Tebow?

  • Cut Tebow

    Votes: 155 64.6%
  • Keep Tebow

    Votes: 85 35.4%

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a Catch 22?...it'd take five years for that stat to be reached by the Teebs it looks like..I know time has passed since Friday night but....he really looked BAD, real BAD the other night throwing the football. That wasn't like they threw him in for a series in the 4th quarter...he had an entire half to make the simplest of completions and failed. Revisiting how it was 2 years ago and wishing for it to magically happen again in 2013 is fantasy land fandom at its shrieking zenith.

Be happy that it looks like the Patriots are keeping him on the roster .
 
Apparently fans have finally lost faith in Bil Belichick.

If Tebow were not worthy of being on the roster right now, he would not be on the roster right now.

Belichick sees something you do not. And I'm still siding with Belichick on this issue.


lmao, exactly what i was talking about.
 
What you, and all of us, seem to be saying is that we don't see what Josh sees in Tebow. We've been wrong before.

The bottom line is that backup quarterback is an important position on the team. We will need a backup quarterback in 2014 or 2015 at the latest. This has absolutely nothing to do with replacing Brady.

If Josh chooses to keep Tebow, it is because he believes that he can make him into a #2 quarterback and sign him to a 3-5 year contract next year. Mallett will play is last year in 2014. As some have said, the iMPERFECT comparison is Hoyer and Mallett. In that case, we used a 3rd rounder for someone that we knew was at least a year away.

LOL - no offense, but it certainly appears that some of you guys are forgetting how bad Tim Tebow is at playing quarterback.

As I have said before, Tom Brady gave the Patriots a good amount of financial room to re-sign Ryan Mallett to a equitable deal that would allow a smooth transition in case Brady's play drops off and have a solid back-up solution.

Mallett has been demonstrating his ability to move the ball in the first two games this pre-season. As long as Mallett continues to prove his value to BB, then he is the one that will be getting a 3-5 year deal with some of the savings that the Patriots got from Brady, cap wise.

I cannot believe that anyone with sound mind is talking about Tebow possibly getting a multi-year deal. Truly ridiculous.
 
Exactly Oniko. Even me, a big Tebow fan will tell you that Tebow did AWFUL this past Friday, possibly the worst he's ever performed in his career. However, that doesn't make it an end all be all. I still find him to be very talented with lots of potential. Thus, I hope he makes the final roster and can develop into a solid backup for Brady.

Are you sure that Tim Tebow "did awful" this past week?

And BTW - he is the back up to Ryan Mallett. Not Tom Brady.
 
Lots of 'Not an NFL caliber player(s)' play in the playoffs. --->insert eye rolling smiley here<---

If only our coach was as good at evaluating prospective talent as you are.

That's the dumb part of all of this - it's not that people are arguing degrees like Tavon Wilson was picked X rounds too high, they're saying that our coaches have taken complete leave of their senses and have brought in a guy who cannot function in the NFL.

Which is asinine. Maybe Tebow will not pan out but to speak in such absolutes implies that our coaches are complete and utter morons which, again, belies the entitlement complex around here that a guy working on learning the offense and improving accuracy is so bad Mr. Magoo would be preferable.

I would take Mr. McGoo over a QB with a 0.0 QB rating.
 
Are you sure that Tim Tebow "did awful" this past week?

And BTW - he is the back up to Ryan Mallett. Not Tom Brady.

Yeah Tebow did awful this past week. Yeah Tebow's the third sting QB. I am very aware that Ryan Mallett being the 2ND QB behind Brady. I never said that Tebow was the backup to Brady. I said I would like to see him develop into a solid backup for Brady. Who knows if that will ever happen.

Awful meaning Extremely bad or unpleasant; terrible:
awful - definition of awful by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
 
Yeah Tebow did awful this past week. Yeah Tebow's the third sting QB. I am very aware that Ryan Mallett being the 2ND QB behind Brady. I never said that Tebow was the backup to Brady. I said I would like to see him develop into a solid backup for Brady. Who knows if that will ever happen.

Awful meaning Extremely bad or unpleasant; terrible:
awful - definition of awful by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Christiancat - you clearly are not getting it. Tebow has two weeks to show the entire management team something because he has done nothing with the opportunities that he has been afforded.

if he does nothing in the next two weeks, then he is gone and rightfully so. You are lucky that the Patriots don't have another camp arm in right now because if they did, Tebow would be a part of that first cut in large part to the 4th game of the pre-season. And, if you don't get why a 3rd quarterback is needed for the 4th game of the pre-season, then I don't know what to tell you.

It is clear that people like fnordcircle and some of the other followers are delusional in what you think Tim Tebow's value is to this franchise.

I count at least 10 guys who are probably not going to be a part of the 1st 53-man roster that are having a better training camp than Tebow.

If I were you guys, I would start learning some of the names that are and should be clearly ahead of Tebow in the race to making the 53 man roster for this TEAM.
 
I love how a handful of snaps in a pre-season game is the absolute yardstick by which we determine whether a player is good enough to keep. If BB thought like the pitchfork crowd, half the team would have been cut by now.

I think they think BB sits in his office thinking "yup, I've seen five minutes, that's all I need to know". Thank goodness we have a smarter guy than that in charge.
 
What is actually pretty comical is that when Tebow passes for 20% and 40 yards with only 2 int's in his next game his supporters will cite it as proof positive of his tremendous growth as a passer.

'McDaniels is a miracle worker, i'm telling ya......."
 
I love how a handful of snaps in a pre-season game is the absolute yardstick by which we determine whether a player is good enough to keep. If BB thought like the pitchfork crowd, half the team would have been cut by now.

I think they think BB sits in his office thinking "yup, I've seen five minutes, that's all I need to know". Thank goodness we have a smarter guy than that in charge.

I know it, we are all overlooking the positive.


Could you point me to it so i can look at it?
 
I love how a handful of snaps in a pre-season game is the absolute yardstick by which we determine whether a player is good enough to keep. If BB thought like the pitchfork crowd, half the team would have been cut by now.

I think they think BB sits in his office thinking "yup, I've seen five minutes, that's all I need to know". Thank goodness we have a smarter guy than that in charge.

Manx - he has until the 27th of this month to start cutting more of the guys needed to get to the 75-man and 53-man roster. He has all of the time in the world to do what he needs to do to make sure that he has a roster for this season.
 
Christiancat - you clearly are not getting it. Tebow has two weeks to show the entire management team something because he has done nothing with the opportunities that he has been afforded.

if he does nothing in the next two weeks, then he is gone and rightfully so. You are lucky that the Patriots don't have another camp arm in right now because if they did, Tebow would be a part of that first cut in large part to the 4th game of the pre-season. And, if you don't get why a 3rd quarterback is needed for the 4th game of the pre-season, then I don't know what to tell you.

It is clear that people like fnordcircle and some of the other followers are delusional in what you think Tim Tebow's value is to this franchise.

I count at least 10 guys who are probably not going to be a part of the 1st 53-man roster that are having a better training camp than Tebow.

If I were you guys, I would start learning some of the names that are and should be clearly ahead of Tebow in the race to making the 53 man roster for this TEAM.

How can you possibly know what's in the mind of BB? They get some private practice now, who knows what BB has in store for Tebow.
 
Tebow will never be Brady's back-up. There is nothing that can be done to turn him into a productive passer in the NFL, period. The entire effort to do so is a complete waste of time. Hopefully he will be gone in a week or so.

I think Josh thinks he's got something special in Tebow once Tebow is fixed. There, I said it. I think he thought, Mallet backfill, no problem. Brady backfill? Sky's the limit.

I don't think he's right based on everything I've seen.

But I didn't watch him fill in in Denver and, against Elway's wishes, actually took the team to the playoffs. Josh McD did.

Or maybe, the level of Micky D's attachment is much less... as in "Can I get him Bill can I get him Bill? He doesn't cost much! I'll walk him myself! I promissssse!!!"

"And if he still can't throw in August he's off the team, you know that right?"

"Yes yes I promise yes just let me get him for Training Camp!!!!"

"Oh heck Josh, I can't say no to you..."

In fact, maybe it's just BB & Josh seeing him out there, shrugging their shoulders, and saying "fuggit, what do we have to lose?"

We'll know it's a serious Captain Ahab type obsession for Mickey D if he's still here after the preseason.
 
I know it, we are all overlooking the positive.


Could you point me to it so i can look at it?

He runs the ball pretty well which is what interests me.

And yes that's underwhelming for a QB but then I've always thought of him as a runner so it's certainly a positive to me.
 
Tebow is very physically gifted -- extremely good size and quickness. Great NFL arm in terms of the velocity he can put on it when he loads up. And great "gamer" clutchness -- he's really good at instinctive football, going for the jugular at the right time, making big plays with the game on the line, whatever that "cool under pressure" gene is, he's got it.

Let’s take a closer look at that; this is Tebow’s basic measurable(s) against the other QB’s who are considered excellent athletes at the QB position.

Code:
	Tebow	Kaepernick	R. Wilson	Griffin III	Vick	Newton	G. Smith	Manuel	Luck
Height	6'3	6'5	5'11	6'2	6'1	6'5	6'3	6'5	6'4
Weight	236	233	204	223	210	248	218	237	234
40 Dash 	4.71	4.53	4.53	4.33	4.33	4.56	4.56	4.59	4.59

As you can see Tebow is not that special in terms of size or speed, if you’d like to look at all of their metrics from the combine you can go to nfldraftscout.com and you will see he does not stand out in any areas against these players. It is not possible to measure it but I can assure you his arm strength is not better than a single one of these players either.

So the point is -- he's a "fixer's" dream. If you believe (like I think Josh does) that quarterbacks can be taught -- that is, taught good footwork, timing, accuracy, and decision-making -- then you'd start with a rough draft like Tebow.

I do not think you can fix the fact that he has dyslexia unfortunately; it is a serious learning disability that affects comprehension and decision making. Mental aptitude is the most important attribute that a NFL QB must possess, without it there is not an athletic talent in the world that can make you a successful. A fixers dream is someone who is responsive to fixing, Tebow has never been responsive to the attempts to fix him, he is either incapable of maintaining the changes over an extended period of time or he doesn’t have a true interest in being fixed.

Because say what you want about all of the things he lacks, the things he's got tend to be the things you can't teach.

That is a drastic overstatement; Tebow has slightly above average athletic ability for a QB, a decent arm, terrible mechanics and the worst decision making skills of any QB in the NFL. The only thing he has that you cannot teach is heart and his fan base, the heart aspect you can find in just about every amateur football player who plays for free on a local team.

And so he may not have "enough" of the passing talent for Josh to be able to to do it. But I can at least understand why he's the product you would start with. And Josh may see him right now as a QB with voices in his head, no confidence, and totally re-inventing his throwing technique. If that's the case, some terrible performances might be expected.

I don't know. I do know I don't care answer any responses along the lines of "Yeah but he's terrible did you see . . . ." I'm only talking about why a player like Tebow would be a good choice for a starting point on a "from the ground up" project.

26 year old players are not a good choice for a ground up player, especially if you’re talking about the development of a running QB, Tebow is entering the 4th year of his NFL career, I’m not sure if you knew this but NFL careers are on average 6 years total, so the suggestion that a player who has already played 50% of an average NFL career is an excellent candidate for a rebuilding project is downright foolish.

I cannot imagine Bill and Josh screaming at a 21 year old Aaron Dobson to get his act together if he makes a bad play, or Patricia flipping out on a 22 year old Jamie Collins when he misses a tackle while the 2010 first round draft pick who is now 26 years old in over in the corner receiving all the patience and understanding he needs as he is being developed, and it is not just those 2 players I named there are 63 players on the current roster that are younger and have less NFL experience than Tim Tebow.
 
Exactly Oniko. Even me, a big Tebow fan will tell you that Tebow did AWFUL this past Friday, possibly the worst he's ever performed in his career. However, that doesn't make it an end all be all. I still find him to be very talented with lots of potential. Thus, I hope he makes the final roster and can develop into a solid backup for Brady.

You know who else is very talented with a lot of potential? Aaron Hernandez; and it doesn’t freaking matter at all, because you can have all the talent and potential in the world but what matters is what you’re doing with it, and Tebow is not doing much more with his than Hernandez is these days.
 
He runs the ball pretty well which is what interests me.

And yes that's underwhelming for a QB but then I've always thought of him as a runner so it's certainly a positive to me.

So you want to develop a 26 year old Tebow who ran a 4.71 at the combine into a running back? Running backs generally begin to go downhill at about 28, so that would make that much sense to me. I have never seen him lay a block or catch a football so FB or TE doesn’t seem like a real option.
 
@Brady 6


Firstly a bit of nit-picking but Tebow is now listed at 245lbs.

Secondly, Tebow has a better 3-cone than Luck, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton and Manuel (doesn't look like Smith, Vick or RGIII tested at the combine for 3-cone). In fact, of all the QBs tested at the combine since 1999, Tebow has the highest 3-cone of all the QBs and we know how BB values that particular test. So we have a guy that has a good size/speed ratio and is elite at COD for his size and position (Tebow had better COD numbers than Hernandez for example).

In other words, he's a power runner and not a speed one as you pointed out, but a damn shifty power runner who can explode for big yardage.

And he didn't cost us a first or second round pick as almost all those guys you listed did.
 
He runs the ball pretty well which is what interests me.

And yes that's underwhelming for a QB but then I've always thought of him as a runner so it's certainly a positive to me.


He fumbles once for every ten carries, that's absurdly bad.
 
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