Who Was A Fan During The Dark Years

[patfanken]

Sure Tony was a tough player. He was not an elite QB. Set the league record for sacks in '84.

Top Pats QB's, in terms of greatness, including their time before/after their stints here:

1. Brady
2. Plunkett
3. Grogan
4. Parilli
5. Kapp
6. Flutie
7. Dowling

Eason and Bledsoe were not even close to elite. Neither were Kerry Collins, Vinny Testaverde, Jeff George, Neil Lomax etc. Nothing personal.

Please, your absurd assessment of Drew Bledsoe, only shows how idiotic your feelings toward Eason are.

Plunkett? His rookie year was the ONLY year where he didn't throw more picks than TD's in his 5 years with the Pats. He also never threw for 3000 yds once in a single season throughout his 15 seasons in the league. In fact during his 15 year career he only threw more TD's than picks in 4 seasons with 14-9 being his BEST percentage year....his last in the league.

Now I'm not here to demean Jim Plunkett who was a much bigger and stronger QB than Eason, but also ended up beaten up and defeated by a bad OL's here. I'm here to demean a list that has BOTH Eason and Bledsoe behind the likes of Joe Kapp, Dowling and Flutie. (Kapp was HORRIBLE as a Pat (3-17 td/pick, and a 44% competion rate for just over 1000 yds. - Yeah right, he's better than Bledsoe.....according to you. It is simply laughable and blows any credibility you've had to this point.

 

[pheenix11]

The dark years? You mean 2005-2013?

I jest. I've been a fan since Parcells in 93.

When I was a kid, I liked the Raiders because of Jim Plunkett and then the Dolphins because of Dan Marino. I remember rooting for them in 85 against the Bears but as a kid baseball and the Sox were my main obsession. In my teens I got more into football and less into baseball and when they drafted Bledsoe my addiction began.

I remember when they played the Colts in 1981 and people were calling it the toilet bowl because they were both so bad. Somehow I don't think I knew they were our home team, maybe because the fan base was so weak or maybe it was the name New England and I didn't get it, I'm not sure, blame my Dad LOL.

 

[scout]

Probably a few years before the Patriots traded for a QB that would bring them greatness; Joe Kapp. Thus, witnessed Billy Sullivan drafting all those BC players, Plunkett to Vataha, Patriot Missiles, and who can forget the toilet bowl (Patriots against the Colts for the #1 pick).

 

[goheels22002]

If Rod Rust were on Wheel of Fortune, he'd ask for an L.

 

[RayClay]

Sure Tony was a tough player. He was not an elite QB. Set the league record for sacks in '84.

Top Pats QB's, in terms of greatness, including their time before/after their stints here:

1. Brady
2. Plunkett
3. Grogan
4. Parilli
5. Kapp
6. Flutie
7. Dowling

Eason and Bledsoe were not even close to elite. Neither were Kerry Collins, Vinny Testaverde, Jeff George, Neil Lomax etc. Nothing personal.

He was not a tough player. Talent wise, he was one of our best, but turtling before even being hit is what shortened his career.

 

[patfanken]

He was not a tough player. Talent wise, he was one of our best, but turtling before even being hit is what shortened his career.

Ray the "turtling" started AFTER he set a league record by getting sacked SIXTY times in 84.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Please, your absurd assessment of Drew Bledsoe, only shows how idiotic your feelings toward Eason are.

Plunkett? His rookie year was the ONLY year where he didn't throw more picks than TD's in his 5 years with the Pats. He also never threw for 3000 yds once in a single season throughout his 15 seasons in the league. In fact during his 15 year career he only threw more TD's than picks in 4 seasons with 14-9 being his BEST percentage year....his last in the league.

Now I'm not here to demean Jim Plunkett who was a much bigger and stronger QB than Eason, but also ended up beaten up and defeated by a bad OL's here. I'm here to demean a list that has BOTH Eason and Bledsoe behind the likes of Joe Kapp, Dowling and Flutie. (Kapp was HORRIBLE as a Pat (3-17 td/pick, and a 44% competion rate for just over 1000 yds. - Yeah right, he's better than Bledsoe.....according to you. It is simply laughable and blows any credibility you've had to this point.

It's okay, as I said, "including their time before/after their stints here"

Kapp and Flutie both had stellar college careers and all-time careers in the CFL, because the NFL wasn't interested in them. When they got their shots, Kapp led the Vikings to the NFL Championship and Flutie was headed there until he got benched late in '88.

Dowling was transcendent. The NFL didn't get any smarter over the next thirty years, as entirely due to Brady's unimpressive combine stats, (almost) nobody even drafted him, despite his college success.

I love the Brooks quote, "Statistics are for losers, but that's what we are and that's why I cite them."

Montana and Unitas threw their share of picks too; judging players simply by stats leaves too much out.

If O'Connell doesn't trade Thornton, you can forget about the Bruins winning the Cup.

Most of what Danny Ainge does is based upon numbers and things on paper; had he been in charge in the sixties, we'd have won maybe one title. With Red, we won nine.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Ray the "turtling" started AFTER he set a league record by getting sacked SIXTY times in 84.

I think one of the best testaments to Eason's toughness, was after he deked out a defender gaining several extra yards before going out of bounds before the final play of the game at Anaheim in '86, in the huddle he pointed his finger at his teammates and screamed, "I'm going to throw that ball up there, and YOU'RE going to catch it!!!!"

Of course, Stanley wound up batting it up in the air and Irving caught it in the back of the end zone, winning the game.

To me, Tony is a tough guy, and a good Patriot, and the fact that I totally disagree with him being started over clearly better QB's does not change that.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

If Rod Rust were on Wheel of Fortune, he'd ask for an L.

I don't agree with piling on Rod.

I'll take him over Seifert.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Probably a few years before the Patriots traded for a QB that would bring them greatness; Joe Kapp. Thus, witnessed Billy Sullivan drafting all those BC players, Plunkett to Vataha, Patriot Missiles, and who can forget the toilet bowl (Patriots against the Colts for the #1 pick).

Joe was great before he got here; and Fairbanks came here a couple years after.

Plunkett to Vataha is more thrilling for us than Montana to Rice (deep ball), and won several barnburners.

Four seasons after the Stupor Bowl, we were in the Super Bowl.

Kiam's comment wasn't referring to a psycho who first pretended to be a reporter, then a victim...oh wait, it was.

 

[denverpatsfan]

They never gave Flutie a chance with an offence built around his strengths.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

He was not a tough player. Talent wise, he was one of our best, but turtling before even being hit is what shortened his career.

Well, I guess if Tony's him then I'm him

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

They never gave Flutie a chance with an offence built around his strengths.

We really had it going in '88, with a top D and healthy John Stephens; but Berry just checked us out.

Berry was a good coach; Eason was his Achilles' heel.

 

[lusdawg]

1960 as a kid.
Later in the decade saw Pats play in strange venues like vs Houston Texans at Hahvid Stadium. Sat in the bleachers facing the EZ at Fenway park on Friday night games. Row behind us had a broken beer bottle fight. Saw Joe Namath's 1st pre-season game vs Pats in Lowell. Many years at old stadium. I'd park across Route 1 in the woods for $0, walk to the stadium and buy seats from guys in the parking lot.

Best Pats team was 1976 where we were robbed by SEVERAL bad calls. No PI as our TE Russ Francis had his arms grabbed and pulled apart from behind and ball bounced off his chest. Sound familiar? Ben Dreith (may he rot in hell) with the roughing the passer on Sugar Bear Hamilton.

Used to go to games, now boycotting any $ to Kraft. I've lost interest in the league and football. Probably done after BB and Tom are gone.

I am in the same boat, except I am completely done with watching games and buying products from NFL sponsors. We do not get cable or Serius/XM anymore, either, and I won't click on BSPN articles. It may change if/when Goodell and the corruption are gone, but I'm ok without it.

Was a diehard sports guy from 1978 (4 years old), but now I'm done watching all sports. Goodell's NFL has left a very sour taste in my mouth.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I DO miss Sirius/XM which I also cancelled for their Living The Chains show which was excellent. Cancelled the Comcrap package with NFL network too and have not listened to sports broadcast radio for years. Baby steps.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I remember my bedroom in '76 had a patriots banner on the wall (and bruins, celtics & sox)

i was 5 then.....i probably started watching games in 77 or 78 where i actually started paying attention......by 79 or so i was watching weekly

 

[Borg140]

Season ticket holder since '92. Watched a ton of classic, crappy games until Parcells showed up.

 

[goheels22002]

I don't agree with piling on Rod.

I'll take him over Seifert.

Really? Rod Rust didn't have a clue. Neither did **** McPherson. Rod Rust inherited a bad team, but made it worse.

I remember going to games at Schaefer Stadium in those days, sitting on aluminum benches that were icicles, and having to take a leak through the chain link fence because there was like one men's room for every 20,000 fans.

 

[goheels22002]

Season ticket holder since '92. Watched a ton of classic, crappy games until Parcells showed up.

Welcome to the board, man. This is a great group of people on here. I've learned so much from the posters here. Enjoy.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Really? Rod Rust didn't have a clue. Neither did **** McPherson. Rod Rust inherited a bad team, but made it worse.

I remember going to games at Schaefer Stadium in those days, sitting on aluminum benches that were icicles, and having to take a leak through the chain link fence because there was like one men's room for every 20,000 fans.

Rust was an outstanding defensive coach, who had the respect of his players.

We all went to Schaeffer/Sullivan/Foxboro Stadium, and we all had to deal with less then first class amenities. I loved every game I went to there and wouldn't trade them for the world.

People in Detroit, Cleveland, New Orleans, Tampa Bay etc. will laugh hysterically at us complaining about a twenty-eight month stretch where the team struggled on the field in an old stadium, amidst some ownership uncertainty.