Who took the bigger risk (for the Patriots)?

[Clonamery]

Bill Belichick says he took 'big risk' taking Patriots job

On the heels of comments by Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick said he was the one who took the risk to join the Patriots in 1999.

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[UGAPatsfan]

I chose season ticket holders mostly to be a wise-ass.

My honest take is both of them.

There is truth in both their comments and recollections.

But two prideful old men are scrambling for credit when any sane person knows it was both of them plus Brady and an army of other key figures.

 

[Steve102]

Interesting that Bill found the need to rebut. The **** measuring that's going on is ridiculous. Kraft took a risk to hire Bill. Bill took a risk to work for Kraft.

Kraft's continued campaign for Canton is getting tiresome. How abut you build another winning team and STFU about how great you are/were?

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

I chose season ticket holders mostly to be a wise-ass.

My honest take is both of them.

There is truth in both their comments and recollections.

But two prideful old men are scrambling for credit when any sane person knows it was both of them plus Brady and an army of other key figures.

This is correct. It’s both. Belichick for leaving a “solid” Jets situation and Kraft for giving up the compensation necessary to get Bill out of the Jets situation

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Let's be real in the pissing contest it's not even a debate Belichick took the bigger risk his head coaching career was over if it didn't work, Kraft didn't take any risk he can just hire and fire as many coaches as he wants and continue to print money as many franchises over the years have proven.

I mean all the evidence you need is Kraft & Mayo, both took a risk now one has already has a do-over and the other will probably never coach again.

Woody Johnson has proven to be a boob who doesn't know what he's doing and still has made billions, only one job out of owner and head coach requires winning to make money and have a prolonged stint in it.

 

[203Pat]

Interesting that Bill found the need to rebut. The **** measuring that's going on is ridiculous. Kraft took a risk to hire Bill. Bill took a risk to work for Kraft.

Kraft's continued campaign for Canton is getting tiresome. How abut you build another winning team and STFU about how great you are/were?

This whole thing is becoming so tiresome and embarrassing for both of them. It's like they're on a mission to destroy all the good will they built over 20 years. The fact Kraft has to couch a "compliment" to Bill with a whole bunch of talk about how he was damaged goods is childish and petty and Bill immediately needing to respond is just as petty. Really glad Brady took the high road through all this because there needs to be at least one adult to come out of the dynasty.

 

[rkarp1]

RK made 2 pretty good hires per BB in Parcells and Pete. he then trumped them both hiring Bill.
RK then got out of the way and let the football people do football.

Bill was in a sticky situation with the Jets, in the midst of the team selling, and not being able to run his own ship under Parcells.

 

[Steve102]

RK made 2 pretty good hires per BB in Parcells and Pete. he then trumped them both hiring Bill.
RK then got out of the way and let the football people do football.

Bill was in a sticky situation with the Jets, in the midst of the team selling, and not being able to run his own ship under Parcells.

RKK inherited Parcells when he bought the team from Orthwien.

 

[Wozzy]

Bob hired the best young coach in the NFL.. what was the risk? The media didn’t like him… who cares. If you listen to the media morons you deserve to lose.

 

[borg]

Kraft in a landslide.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I agree with a previous poster that really it’s just embarrassing for both.

It is also clear that there likely won’t be a HOF or statue of BB in his lifetime barring a cooling of the tensions in he 80’s or 90’s.

And that sucks because he certainly deserves both.

 

[p8ryts]

I chose season ticket holders mostly to be a wise-ass.

My honest take is both of them.

There is truth in both their comments and recollections.

But two prideful old men are scrambling for credit when any sane person knows it was both of them plus Brady and an army of other key figures.

Kraft is the one scrambling to regain his standing. Bill responded factually and will let his UNC record do the rest.

 

[AQPE]

The only reason this persists is that The Scatback has never learned to keep his pie hole shut. We watched BB for long enough to know he doesn’t play that game except under extreme circumstances. Kraft is the exact opposite.

This is nothing new, it’s why O’Donnell, Karp, Mugar, and Sarkis went to war against him, why he f’d up with Parcells and now BB, his “close friends” among NFL ownership, and league officials. The bad news is that his successor, The Nebbish, is worse and doesn’t have the actual accomplishments match the big mouth. Goes to show you how having billions is no cure for low self esteem. That gold jacket, if he ever gets it, won’t cure the issue.

 

[maust]

Thank you @Clonamery for respecting the process and observing the correct form for creating a PF poll.
You sir are a standup M'fer!

 

[Clonamery]

Thank you @Clonamery for respecting the process and observing the correct form for creating a PF poll.
You sir are a standup M'fer!

Keep that up and I'll include you in my next poll (for the Patriots).

 

[upstater1]

Kraft seems to have an ever present need to diminish Belichick, and now Belichick has let it get under his skin.

If I were to take this seriously, Belichick took the bigger risk but it was the right one. Belichick also had offers from 2 or 3 other teams at the time so it's not like he didn't have prospects. He did. I think without Belichick this franchise would've had problems. You fire Carroll and hire who?

 

[Love The Drake]

Kraft seems to have an ever present need to diminish Belichick, and now Belichick has let it get under his skin.

If I were to take this seriously, Belichick took the bigger risk but it was the right one. Belichick also had offers from 2 or 3 other teams at the time so it's not like he didn't have prospects. He did. I think without Belichick this franchise would've had problems. You fire Carroll and hire who?

Dom capers and some obscure college coach who were the other final candidates.

 

[Ring 6]

Since the salary cap went into effect the patriots are 31st out of 32twsnsvis spending. (I read that in one of the articles about this topic yesterday, dint remember where, didn’t verify its correctness, but it fits with all the data I’ve seen)
That’s a big risk for a HC/GM to take.

 

[Ring 6]

I chose season ticket holders mostly to be a wise-ass.

My honest take is both of them.

There is truth in both their comments and recollections.

But two prideful old men are scrambling for credit when any sane person knows it was both of them plus Brady and an army of other key figures.

It’s hard to give Kraft a big share in the credit when his sole contribution to the success was hiring Belichick and handing him the operation.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Since the salary cap went into effect the patriots are 31st out of 32twsnsvis spending. (I read that in one of the articles about this topic yesterday, dint remember where, didn’t verify its correctness, but it fits with all the data I’ve seen)
That’s a big risk for a HC/GM to take.

Curious what the breakout of that is by year. Unused cap space wasn't allowed to be rolled over until the 2011, CBA, I believe. I also think there's been an explosion of the use of void years and signing bonuses to defer cap hits in the last decade. I think part of BB's problem on the GM side was that he had a pretty strong cash to cap philosophy that I think became incredibly outdated by the end of his time here.

Just anecdotally, I'd guess that they're dead last by a pretty wide margin since like 2011 but in the decade before that it wasn't as exaggerated.