What's wrong with the Chiefs?

[TheRazorsEdge]

When you told Cheifs fans how lucky they were last few years ..they lot their minds. Reshared videos of Mahomes making redic matrix throws.. they just couldn't accept alot of those wins/ game deciding throws/catches came on astronomically low percentage throws.

We are simply seeing the law of averages play out.

Can the chiefs rebuild around him absolutely..he's not a slouch. I am 2nd guessing if it'll be anytime soon tho and how much of that contract is going to hamper future plans.

 

[reesebobby]

Personally, it seems like we have not been the same since the Britt Reid incident. I think something similar happened with Andy when he was at Philly and his other son died. Just seems like the energy and innovation is not there like years past. That could be coincidentally coinciding to Eric Fisher's injury, but have not been the same since last year's AFCCG.

 

[Triumph]

They are frauds.

The Chiefs have never beaten a HOF QB or HC in the post season. The Super Bowl win was handed to them on a silver platter when Shanahan played not to lose coddling GQ Jimmy.

 

[Rob0729]

I would say Andy Reid is more on the hot seat than Belichick. For all the talk that Belichick could be fired if he doesn't turn it around even as soon as this year (which I don't buy) by some in the media and some fans, Reid is the guy who may have to worry about his job more. The Pats are rebuilding and just found their replacement QB. The Chiefs were supposed to be one of a handful of teams that were supposed to be in contention for the Super Bowl. They have what most people believed to be the best QB in the league going into this season.

Now I don't think either guy will lose their job any time soon unless one or both decide to retire on their own. But I think a losing season puts Reid closer to an exit than Belichick.

 

[goheels22002]

we took one year hit? I presume you mean that for 2020?
how come that again in 2021 pats have almost 3x bigger dead cap than chiefs?

@marwin2510 - I was referring to Brady and comparing QB salary cap hits. The 2021 dead money is significant, I grant you that, but the Gilmore trade makes up more than one-third of those dollars and just came into play after week 5. There is no Tom Brady money on the cap.

Your question is an excellent one and should be put in context, I think. The only major cap hit that includes 2021 salary is Gilmore's $10.5M. That was a mess and I agree that the Pats got far less in return than they might have.

Of the remaining dead cap hits over $1million, only Cam Newton's $3.6M for 2021 and DT Beau Allen's $1.1M are paid to players released who they signed to contracts and applicable bonuses. Neither of those is out-of-line for guys at their positions who didn't make the team.

All of the others of $1M or more are players who the Patriots are not paying a salary in 2021- Edelman and Chung retired, Marcus Cannon was traded to the Texans and is on IR, and Sony Michel was traded to the Rams. Those salaries are not a drag on the cap. The Patriots picked up two future draft picks for those guys that may or not be significant.

Further, there's dead money on the cap for a bunch of players on the roster - Nick Folk, Josh Usce, James Ferentz, Alex Redmond, Matt LaCosse, Harvey Langi, etc. - those guys were released from existing deal and signed to cap-friendly deals to return.

The Patriots are always so much more active with the Cap than other teams. The big issue was Gilmore and his holdout. There was lots of criticism of Gilmore for having a deal that would pay him $10.5 million in 2021 even with his recuperating injury. There are multiple threads dealing with his situation.

The point of my earlier post was the looming $35 million cap hit in 2022 and the $46M cap hit for 2023 in Mahomes current deal. As a percentage of the cap, KC is hamstrung for years to come.

 

[slam]

Imagine coaching Mahomes post Andy Reid whenever that is? What Coach in the league has the gravitas to ask Mahomes to amend his playing style in any way? Maybe Belichick and Payton and possibly one or two more. Beyond that it’s Mahomes running the team.

 

[venecol]

I would say Andy Reid is more on the hot seat than Belichick. For all the talk that Belichick could be fired if he doesn't turn it around even as soon as this year (which I don't buy) by some in the media and some fans, Reid is the guy who may have to worry about his job more. The Pats are rebuilding and just found their replacement QB. The Chiefs were supposed to be one of a handful of teams that were supposed to be in contention for the Super Bowl. They have what most people believed to be the best QB in the league going into this season.

Now I don't think either guy will lose their job any time soon unless one or both decide to retire on their own. But I think a losing season puts Reid closer to an exit than Belichick.

I disagree. They love Reid. He brought them a SB after what was it, 50 years? They'll blame Spags just like they did the previous DC.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I disagree. They love Reid. He brought them a SB after what was it, 50 years? They'll blame Spags just like they did the previous DC.

Reid and Spagnuolo are fine, or at least should be fine. Reid has proven he can win with Alex Smith, Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, and Michael Vick. Sagnuolo did great last year with a ****ty defense and was able to get just enough stops.

The difference here with Belichick is he is the mastermind, buck-stops-here, GM and coach with full control over every aspect of the organization, so if things go south, who else is possibly to blame?

With the Chiefs, the real problem is Brett Veach, but hey, I've been saying this guy is a ****ing moron for two years while the media and the Chiefs organization have fellated him over making a bunch of huge overpays for superstars with short-sightedness. I'd say Veach is the problem, but it seems like the whole culture and organization was thrilled about every one of the "buy now, pay later" deals. Now the bill is due.

Mahomes is the second biggest problem, but he's only a problem in that he's not playing well enough for them to contend for a Super Bowl, even with a good defense. But it's not like he's the #1 cause of their struggles. The thin roster, especially on defense, and the numerous failures to address problems before they got really bad. It's just a reactionary approach and a bad one.

 

[goheels22002]

The Chiefs get the Giants at home next weekend - W.

After that they get the Packers, Raiders, and Cowboys.

Chiefs Thanksgiving Prediction: 4-7. Andy Reid has a Turkey Burger!

 

[NFL Mystique]

Well...the fact of the matter is that it's unlikely they get the 1 seed.

But they are too talented to not win the division.

With Mahomes, anything is possible in the postseason.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Well...the fact of the matter is that it's unlikely they get the 1 seed.

But they are too talented to not win the division.

With Mahomes, anything is possible in the postseason.

There appears to be a dearth of talent on the defensive side of the ball, and offensively you have Hill and Kelce.

KC may have talent, but not enough of it. Zero indication right now you guys are winning that division.

 

[Patsgofor4]

 

[Rob0729]

I disagree. They love Reid. He brought them a SB after what was it, 50 years? They'll blame Spags just like they did the previous DC.

That's why I said I didn't think he would lose his job any time soon unless he decides to retire. I am just saying he would be more on the hot seat if the Chiefs have a losing record this year than Belichick will if the Pats do because of expectations.

 

[venecol]

That's why I said I didn't think he would lose his job any time soon unless he decides to retire. I am just saying he would be more on the hot seat if the Chiefs have a losing record this year than Belichick will if the Pats do because of expectations.

I think that what you're missing is the expectations of the different fan bases.

 

[VectorPrime]

I disagree. They love Reid. He brought them a SB after what was it, 50 years? They'll blame Spags just like they did the previous DC.

Doesn’t matter how much they love Reid considering he’s one cardiac scare from probably stepping away.

 

[Pats2000]

Well...the fact of the matter is that it's unlikely they get the 1 seed.

But they are too talented to not win the division.

With Mahomes, anything is possible in the postseason.

I would be very surprised if they won the division over the Chargers or Raiders where they would probably have to sweep at least one of those teams to do it. I dont think they have the defense to make that happen and Mahommes had become a turnover machine this year

 

[venecol]

Well...the fact of the matter is that it's unlikely they get the 1 seed.

But they are too talented to not win the division.

With Mahomes, anything is possible in the postseason.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Doesn’t matter how much they love Reid considering he’s one cardiac scare from probably stepping away.

I agree. The reason for him going to the hospital for “dehydration” was not believable, given there are Gatorade jugs steps away at his disposal.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Or…maybe we’ll see in six months.

 

[Guts]

Well...the fact of the matter is that it's unlikely they get the 1 seed.

But they are too talented to not win the division.

With Mahomes, anything is possible in the postseason.

Yeah I don't know about that Raiders and Chargers are playing way better than KC right now.