Whats with the Randy Moss hate fest with the Boston media?

[jcdavey]

Stop.

They picked up guys who can help the team using money they had under the cap. Snyder sees a big name and he throws money at them, regardless of need or fit. That's a big difference. Would you rather the Pats didn't pick guys up, even at an affordable price? I don't recall not looking to improve the team when possible ever being the Patriot Way.

ok yeah you did save a crapton of cap money with your signings, more than washington would have well overpaid, this is true

i'm just saying you guys aren't the team to make a huge splash, and now all of the sudden you are, it's just weird

 

[jcdavey]

1.) Colvin springs to mind when talking about free agents.

2.) Bryan Cox and Dillon spring to mind when talking about 'bad character' guys, as well as Ty Law, for that matter. This team doesn't take on a lot of those sorts of players, but this is far from unprecedented.

colvin was a nice player...not even in thomas's universe IMO

dillon never half asses or no assed it like moss, but moss may be able to change

i think moss has gone to the one and only place he could change at, and for cheap, so in that respect it's good, but still, it's just so unpatriot, it's just like one big april fools day

 

[ClevTrev]

I was against the Moss acquisition initially. I still have mixed feelings:

Maybe Randy has changed his ways, and maybe he will subordinate his needs for the team's goals. I hope so. He's a great player when he wants to be. This could be exciting, but I have this lingering feeling that a bit of the Patriot luster was lost over the weekend. Let's hope we can get it back.

Regarding the media: The self-serving scribes in the two Boston papers; yes, those who wrote about the "sanctimonious" Patriot attitude needing to come to an end as a result of the Moss and Meriweather acquisitions, should stick a sock in it! I find it humorous that the very same group who was chiding the management team for its lack of receivers last season is now taking the team to task for its seeming relaxation of its ethics. This is beyond laughable. I have confidence that neither Moss nor Meriweather has the ability to change the basic fundamentals by which the team has stood during Kraft era. What a freakin' joke. Just another example of doing anything to sell paper.

My thoughts as a fan? Randy, get ready to strap it up, keep your mouth shut, your eyes open, and stay loose. You're about to play with the best QB and offense you'll ever see in your career. We'd be proud to say that you cemented your place in Canton with your career as a Patriot. Get to work! This will be the most fun you'll have in a long time!

 

[DaBruinz]

they don't normally redskin their offseason, and pick up bad character players

i'm sorry, but it's true, they don't

The Patriots didn't "REDSKIN" their offseason and your showing your lack of knowledge by claiming so. Its not even remotely close to being true. Which free agent signing did the Pats OVERPAY for?

As for "bad character types" I suggest you review some previous players that the Pats have had under the Bill Belichick Era. Brian Cox, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon, Antoine Womack. All supposed malcontents and players with "bad character issues." Care to tell me what they have done while with the Patriots that continued that "BAD CHARACTER" rap?

Guys who have acted up under the Belichick era have been sent packings. See Doug Gabriel and Kenyatta Jones.

acting like this is typical patriot offseason procedure, would be outright lying to yourself

i'm not saying it won't work out, i'm just saying it's a complete 180 from typical pats procedure (cept for the asante situation)

I'm not lying to myself. Unfortunately, you are not as versed on the Patriots procedures as you think you are. The Patriots have regularly signed a lot of players in the off-season. In previous years, they haven't had a lot of money to spend, so they've spent it more judiciously. This year, they had over 30 million to spend. They franchised Asante, telling him they are basically willing to pay him well, and then they spent quite a bit of money signing quality free agents.

I suggest you go back and research how many free agents the Pats signed in 2000 and 2001. I think it was something like 20+ each year.

 

[Oswlek]

What is interesting is the fact that so many people are missing the obvious connection.

NE is based on a value principle.

They analyze the market and determine where the investment would offer the biggest impact. Very much like an investor who like to buy companies whose value is less that what it might be under different exterior conditions.

In 2001, there was a lot of value to be had in 3-4 DE's and LB's. Only a handful of teams used the 3-4 and all the others were looking for guys with different athletic attributes.

Harrison in 2003 and Dilloin in 2004 were depressed due to injury issues.

Now, they clearly have determined that, with all the character crack-downs the new commish has laid, the market is severely depressed for guys with character questions. Seriously, if anyone suggested two years ago that Branch would garner a first round pick along with a significant pay raise while Moss would drop his wages by 70% (and to less than half of what Mr. Branch will earn this year) yet still only be worth a 4th, they would be laughed at.

Yes, being amongst the greatest coaches of all time and having 4-5 guys that could put Moss in his place made it easier for BB to pull the trigger, but why not leverage a strength to acquire another potnetial one? Particularly when the player can be released with no strings attached. NE has proven time and time again that they don't worry about sunk cost when it comes to player evaluation.

How anyone could possibly view this as anything but neutral at worst is beyond me.

 

[DaBruinz]

Oh, and JC, I suggest you review the contracts of Stallworth and Washington. They are Patriots cap friendly. They are 1 +option years. If the player doesn't pan out, the Pats can let them walk without any dead money AND the Pats could get a draft pick for it. And that includes the Moss situation.

 

[jcdavey]

Oh, and JC, I suggest you review the contracts of Stallworth and Washington. They are Patriots cap friendly. They are 1 +option years. If the player doesn't pan out, the Pats can let them walk without any dead money AND the Pats could get a draft pick for it. And that includes the Moss situation.

yeah the pats are infinitely smarter than the redskins, this is true

i just can't get around the bad character implications to team chemistry, but it might work out

as for rodney harrison, we didn't get rid of him because he was a bad guy, we loved the late hit fines lol, we got rid of him because he was injured alot.

if moss works out for you like harrison, say hello to 3 more superbowls in 4 years

 

[TeamFirst]

ok yeah you did save a crapton of cap money with your signings, more than washington would have well overpaid, this is true

i'm just saying you guys aren't the team to make a huge splash, and now all of the sudden you are, it's just weird

I think it is a product of a weak draft. In past off-seasons the Pats were able to pluck there team needs from the draft, this year the Pats felt like the draft was so weak that the only other choice was free agency and trades. I have no problem with the way the Pats spend there cap space,infact I would probably be upset if they went into this season 20 million or so under the cap and didn't fill the holes that the team needed.

How many Pats fans complained over the recieving corp from last year?

Belli now has the WR in Moss that he has been looking for since he became the Patriots head coach. He has always wanted a big reciever that can catch the ball and have decent speed. I will not be surprised if Belli makes Moss into a possesion reciever to fit his own mold of what a reciever should be.

 

[Mooch]

What is interesting is the fact that so many people are missing the obvious connection.

NE is based on a value principle.

They analyze the market and determine where the investment would offer the biggest impact. Very much like an investor who like to buy companies whose value is less that what it might be under different exterior conditions.

In 2001, there was a lot of value to be had in 3-4 DE's and LB's. Only a handful of teams used the 3-4 and all the others were looking for guys with different athletic attributes.

Harrison in 2003 and Dilloin in 2004 were depressed due to injury issues.

Now, they clearly have determined that, with all the character crack-downs the new commish has laid, the market is severely depressed for guys with character questions. Seriously, if anyone suggested two years ago that Branch would garner a first round pick along with a significant pay raise while Moss would drop his wages by 70% (and to less than half of what Mr. Branch will earn this year) yet still only be worth a 4th, they would be laughed at.

Yes, being amongst the greatest coaches of all time and having 4-5 guys that could put Moss in his place made it easier for BB to pull the trigger, but why not leverage a strength to acquire another potnetial one? Particularly when the player can be released with no strings attached. NE has proven time and time again that they don't worry about sunk cost when it comes to player evaluation.

How anyone could possibly view this as anything but neutral at worst is beyond me.

OUTSTANDING post. 100% spot on.

 

[DaBruinz]

yeah the pats are infinitely smarter than the redskins, this is true

i just can't get around the bad character implications to team chemistry, but it might work out

As I pointed out to you previously, there were supposed bad character implications with other players. What happened? NONE of those players had any troubles in New England. Hell, Dillon was an ANGEL when he wasn't being harassed by that moron Felger.

as for rodney harrison, we didn't get rid of him because he was a bad guy, we loved the late hit fines lol, we got rid of him because he was injured alot.

if moss works out for you like harrison, say hello to 3 more superbowls in 4 years

No one said that the Chargers cut Harrison because he was a bad guy. However, Harrison was supposedly a BAD GUY when the Patriots signed him and that was supposedly out of character for them. Harrison is a team captain and has been a dman good influence on this team.

Now, I am not saying that Moss will have an epiphany and become a changed man over-night. All I am saying is that the Pats bringing in Moss is NOT that unusual when it comes to "character issues" and that the Patriots spending isn't out of character for them.

All that is the media hype because they NEED to create controversy.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

OSWLEK, you nailed it. End of discussion, at least until we see the ROI I think for 3M and a 4th, it's likely the Moss ROI will be satisfactory.

PFnV

 

[jcdavey]

As I pointed out to you previously, there were supposed bad character implications with other players. What happened? NONE of those players had any troubles in New England. Hell, Dillon was an ANGEL when he wasn't being harassed by that moron Felger.



No one said that the Chargers cut Harrison because he was a bad guy. However, Harrison was supposedly a BAD GUY when the Patriots signed him and that was supposedly out of character for them. Harrison is a team captain and has been a dman good influence on this team.

Now, I am not saying that Moss will have an epiphany and become a changed man over-night. All I am saying is that the Pats bringing in Moss is NOT that unusual when it comes to "character issues" and that the Patriots spending isn't out of character for them.

All that is the media hype because they NEED to create controversy.

personally i don't think you guys even need moss , i think the risk reward is team chemistry being the risk/ return to vintage moss production being the reward, but i don't believe wr was even an area of concern really , and i don't believe it's what cost you going to the superbowl last season.

 

[godef]

Why all the Negativity?

The media is merely trying to maintain their relevency in all of this.

If they agree with the general fan enthusiasm, then they are irrelevent.

OTOH, if they instead pooh-pah the Randy Moss acquisition... ah jeez, there goes that theory.
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