What's the Market for Josh Gordon?

[ivanvamp]

Revisiting some thoughts we have had recently re: Josh Gordon. What do you think the market is for him, if the Browns were willing/looking to trade him? Obviously, he's an incredibly gifted WR, a game-breaker, he's young, and he's inexpensive. Huge plusses. But he's also one misstep away from a year's suspension.

Now, if you're Cleveland, let's say that you know he's great, but you have so many holes, and you're worried about that suspension. After a monster season, this would be the epitome of selling an asset high.

What do you think they realistically get for him? And if you're BB, what would you be willing to pay?

 

[BritPat]

All the value is with Cleveland.

The only teams that should even think about making any trade are those with incredibly strong locker rooms and strong coaching staffs in place. Even then it's no guarantee of no further misdemeanours.

Cleveland lose virtually nothing if he steps out of line again.

 

[s3antana5757]

Revisiting some thoughts we have had recently re: Josh Gordon. What do you think the market is for him, if the Browns were willing/looking to trade him? Obviously, he's an incredibly gifted WR, a game-breaker, he's young, and he's inexpensive. Huge plusses. But he's also one misstep away from a year's suspension.

Now, if you're Cleveland, let's say that you know he's great, but you have so many holes, and you're worried about that suspension. After a monster season, this would be the epitome of selling an asset high.

What do you think they realistically get for him? And if you're BB, what would you be willing to pay?

I said at the time of the deadline; and maybe even more specifically the time where Cleveland was leading the AFC North right after Hoyer went down that Mallett and a 3rd would be a good deal for both sides. NE clearly needed a WR, and the demands at the time seemed to be a 2nd round pick.

Now back to the present, it's almost certainly a 1st round pick if not more. He's in the top tier or WRs along with the Johnson's, Fitz, Dez, Green, etc. It seems like he's moved away from his off the field issues, and his skills were clearly evident with garbage QBs. I think they plan to add a QB, get a RB(either Tate or Moreno as a FA, or an early pick), and add those new pieces to a good OL, Gordon, and Graham. I think if they can get a QB, they'll be in a really good position.

 

[chasa]

He has two values,

The Value to dumpster fire browns, which got a 1st for a bust like richardson, so they will expect a 1st and some for a top 3 WR.

The value of everyone else, Gordon is one piss test away from not playing for a year, hes got serious mental health and substance abuse issues, If I'm a GM I'm only coming to the table with a conditional 2nd round pick(or if I'm Seattle the number #32 of the first round) If he plays the whole year without incident you get the pick agreed upon, if he ***** up it drops to a third and a 4th.

These two values are so far apart that nobody is going to trade for him.

 

[fnordcircle]

He's as untradeable a player as I can think of.

His production on the field warrants multiple #1 draft picks. The fact that he's a slip up to losing a year of his career makes him worth like a 2nd rounder.

The Browns will simply not be able to reproduce his production on the field at the price that is reasonable for another team to meet.

 

[Sciz]

I looked all of this stuff up at one point last season, and I believe that as of right now, he has failed 5 drug tests in the last 3 years. Realistically, the only value he has is to the Browns, because there's not a team that's going to take a risk on him at the Browns' asking price.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

What stage of the program he's in, as well as the possible suspension he would face is based on speculation by Mary Kay Cabot (based on Gordon saying "I think that's what it is.). The NFL does not release that information. If he is in Stage Two now, he will be out of it by staying clean for two full seasons, so he would be at least half way there already. Another violation could result in a 4 or 6 game suspension, even if he was now in stage three he could still possibly get only 6 games.

 

[Brady6]

Revisiting some thoughts we have had recently re: Josh Gordon. What do you think the market is for him, if the Browns were willing/looking to trade him? Obviously, he's an incredibly gifted WR, a game-breaker, he's young, and he's inexpensive. Huge plusses. But he's also one misstep away from a year's suspension.

Now, if you're Cleveland, let's say that you know he's great, but you have so many holes, and you're worried about that suspension. After a monster season, this would be the epitome of selling an asset high.

What do you think they realistically get for him? And if you're BB, what would you be willing to pay?

I think we should try to trade for Cameron who is a UFA after the season, so they may be looking to get something if they think he will walk.

They have Gordon locked up through 2015 so they probably are not looking to deal him.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Untradeable. 22 years old, already the 2nd best WR in the league, with two years of a rookie deal left. His market value would be multiple firsts now. The chance to get him was before he broke out towards the beginning of the season.

The Browns are a QB away from having a pretty good offense. I don't see them wanting to just trade a top 5 TE away in Cameron either.

 

[dales804]

I don't think any team is willing to pay the price of acquiring him at this point. Gordon is a top-5 WR in the league on his rookie deal but could be gone for the year if he messes up again. Too much risk for too high a price at this point, I think.

 

[Triumph]

Im shocked that Gordon hasnt held out for more money yet.

Thats next in his bag of tricks.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

1 strike away from a year ban is it? I wouldn't pay him 1 mill a year..guy is going to screw up very soon....can't stay clean and probably never will...very immature

 

[VJCPatriot]

What do you think they realistically get for him? And if you're BB, what would you be willing to pay?

IMO it all depends on Lombardi's scouting report. Luckily we just got Cleveland's ex-GM. So he would be in the best position to know what players there would give the best value, how they are on the field, in the lockerroom, etc.

If we trade for Josh Gordon it would be on Lombardi's recommendation. But even if we don't, I have a feeling we will be dealing with them in the near future to get some underrated players from Cleveland on the cheap. I mean look at the way BB worked Tampa Bay recently for good players with slightly troubled pasts. He had the Schiano connection.

 

[supafly]

I think we should try to trade for Cameron who is a UFA after the season, so they may be looking to get something if they think he will walk.

They have Gordon locked up through 2015 so they probably are not looking to deal him.

Right. As much as I understand everyone's concerns with Gordon and his suspension potential etc, what keeps making people assume that CLE is sitting in front of their phone waiting to deal one of the more talented young receivers in the entire game?

On top of that, what makes people think that Bill Belichick (of all people) is going to be that guy who picks up his phone and gives the order to part with a 1st/2nd PLUS, in order to acquire such a player?

I'd have to think that BOTH Gordon and Cameron are off-limits as trade bait. They already have like 3 picks in the top 35 or something, along with some very talented pro bowl players to build around. They need a freaking QB and the usual off-season maintenance to go from joke to wildcard contender in my opinion.

 

[Wilfork#75]

Unless Cleveland is terrified of the suspension they have no reason at all to trade him. He is far more valuable than the compensation they would receive and if they did get rid of him it would create another huge hole they would need to fill. Even if they get a 1st round pick that player won't be as good as Josh Gordon when on the field. Similarly no team is going to take the risk of giving up great value to get a guy that is 1 mistake away from a year long suspension. As others have said he is pretty much untradeable right now.

Realistically though from Cleveland's perspective, if their front office wasn't so incompetent they would be in a pretty good position right now. They have a really good defense, a stud TE and a top 3 WR in the NFL to go along with a bunch of draft picks and $40mil in cap space. The biggest thing they are missing is obviously a QB and I have a feeling they will screw that up too, but they have a chance to put something together. If they can get a QB at #4 and maybe a WR later in the 1st, sign Ben Tate as a free agent and solidify the rest of the team in free agency and the rest of the draft they could be a real surprise team. Unfortunately for them, despite it being a very strong draft overall I don't think there is top QB talent there. That #4 pick will be make or break for that franchise.

 

[supafly]

Unless Cleveland is terrified of the suspension they have no reason at all to trade him. He is far more valuable than the compensation they would receive and if they did get rid of him it would create another huge hole they would need to fill. Even if they get a 1st round pick that player won't be as good as Josh Gordon when on the field. Similarly no team is going to take the risk of giving up great value to get a guy that is 1 mistake away from a year long suspension. As others have said he is pretty much untradeable right now.

Realistically though from Cleveland's perspective, if their front office wasn't so incompetent they would be in a pretty good position right now. They have a really good defense, a stud TE and a top 3 WR in the NFL to go along with a bunch of draft picks and $40mil in cap space. The biggest thing they are missing is obviously a QB and I have a feeling they will screw that up too, but they have a chance to put something together. If they can get a QB at #4 and maybe a WR later in the 1st, sign Ben Tate as a free agent and solidify the rest of the team in free agency and the rest of the draft they could be a real surprise team. Unfortunately for them, despite it being a very strong draft overall I don't think there is top QB talent there. That #4 pick will be make or break for that franchise.

The rumor is that they are keeping Hoyer to compete with the new draft pick.

I think that as long as they have a halfway capable QB one way or another, they can instantly go from one of the laughingstocks of the league to wildcard competitor.

QB is obviously the position that is hurting them the most. Even their lousy RB situation (which shouldn't be too difficult to improve) didn't really hurt them too badly in my opinion. They've got to get that QB shored up.

 

[Wilfork#75]

The rumor is that they are keeping Hoyer to compete with the new draft pick.

I think that as long as they have a halfway capable QB one way or another, they can instantly go from one of the laughingstocks of the league to wildcard competitor.

QB is obviously the position that is hurting them the most. Even their lousy RB situation (which shouldn't be too difficult to improve) didn't really hurt them too badly in my opinion. They've got to get that QB shored up.

I think keeping Hoyer around is a smart move and I would have gone after Cousins if the asking price wasn't too high as well. Personally I don't believe in any of these QB's as true franchise players so I would be hesitant to take any of them at #4. I would probably look to trade down from #4 and try and build the best situation for a QB or if Clowney falls to #4 maybe take him. If I were them I would just make sure I have options where I'm not forced to take a QB at #4 especially if its a guy I don't absolutely love. I agree with you that they don't need a franchise QB, I think they have the potential to create a really strong team with a serviceable QB that can do some damage.

With all that cap space they could re-sign Ward and Mack, sure up the interior O-line with someone like Jon Asomoah and add a vet RB like Tate. They have so much space they could even go after another top player in the secondary like Verner or Byrd. Grab a Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans in the draft along with some RB and O-line depth and you've got the makings of a strong team. The options they have available to them really is a draftniks wet dream

 

[AzorianPats]

If Trent Richardson is worth a first, JG is worth more than that. ...

But, at the end of the day, a smart team doesn't blow their future on a WR. If a QB can't get them the ball they are useless.

 

[Brady6]

Right. As much as I understand everyone's concerns with Gordon and his suspension potential etc, what keeps making people assume that CLE is sitting in front of their phone waiting to deal one of the more talented young receivers in the entire game?

On top of that, what makes people think that Bill Belichick (of all people) is going to be that guy who picks up his phone and gives the order to part with a 1st/2nd PLUS, in order to acquire such a player?

I'd have to think that BOTH Gordon and Cameron are off-limits as trade bait. They already have like 3 picks in the top 35 or something, along with some very talented pro bowl players to build around. They need a freaking QB and the usual off-season maintenance to go from joke to wildcard contender in my opinion.

I agree, I think people believe Lombardi is going to give us some type of inside track. That could be the case if we want to take a run at Mack and Ward who are UFA, as far as Cleveland as a trade partner I do not think it will help.

 

[Brady6]

I'd have to think that BOTH Gordon and Cameron are off-limits as trade bait. They already have like 3 picks in the top 35 or something, along with some very talented pro bowl players to build around. They need a freaking QB and the usual off-season maintenance to go from joke to wildcard contender in my opinion.

I totally agree with that statement. If you look at that team (if they retain their UFA) –

• Gordon
• Cameron
• Harden
• Ward
• Thomas
• Mack
• Bryant
• Taylor
• Sheard
• Kruger
• Little
• Gibson
• Rubin

That talent with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds is promising. I actually thought it was a good opportunity for McDaniels, but the front office and ownership group is a disaster so I understand him stepping out.