What's The Case for Boutte?

[One-If-By-Sea]

I do hope you’re right!

I am not right or wrong. I am only hoping. Hope is not a football strategy! Let's hope the coaches are right (and not only banking on the best guy they have but who still stinks).

 

[Since1960]

I am not right or wrong. I am only hoping. Hope is not a football strategy! Let's hope the coaches are right (and not only banking on the best guy they have but who still stinks).

Well to quote “Casey st the bat” - “Hope Springs Eternal”!

 

[Real fan 02]

I do hope you’re right!

I definitely get what your saying. Thornton has tremendous speed and can go up and get it. He can get behind any secondary. I believe his straightline speed is amongst the top in the league. But as you said he needs to show it, training camp meh... people can take what they want out if it.. but camp isn't the rigorous 2'a days like it used to be. I like Thornton, but if he's a starter then he needs to be a reliable target and stretch the field. If so than this offense can go to heights we didn't think it would.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I like Thornton, but if he's a starter then he needs to be a reliable target and stretch the field. If so than this offense can go to heights we didn't think it would.

I think that is a bit optimistic. But if Thornton emerges, the future is clearly a lot brighter.

Maye emerges next year along with new offensive tackles and we can thrive with a slot guy and TE with Thornton stretching the field. There are various ways to skin a cat, we do not have to follow the traditional WR #1, WR #2, WR #3, etc., if we have a true field stretcher who is not necessarily a WR #1. Thornton stretching the field cahnges the whole dynamic without needing to pay $30M a year for a WR #1.

 

[Real fan 02]

I think that is a bit optimistic. But if Thornton emerges, the future is clearly a lot brighter.

Maye emerges next year along with new offensive tackles and we can thrive with a slot guy and TE with Thornton stretching the field. There are various ways to skin a cat, we do not have to follow the traditional WR #1, WR #2, WR #3, etc., if we have a true field stretcher who is not necessarily a WR #1. Thornton stretching the field cahnges the whole dynamic without needing to pay $30M a year for a WR #1.

Agreed. He was a 2nd rounder. So he's expected to play to his potential. I'm really confident we will see Drake this season. I just don't believe Brissett is suddenly going to be a better QB at this stage. He is what he is. But as I mentioned if TT can stay healthy for one and actually play to his potential then it changes the whole make up of the offense. If he did morph into a top WR.. becuase top WR salaries are in the 30s then the team will likely pick up his option, and likely work out a long term deal. So we'll see on TT.

 

[Since1960]

I definitely get what your saying. Thornton has tremendous speed and can go up and get it. He can get behind any secondary. I believe his straightline speed is amongst the top in the league. But as you said he needs to show it, training camp meh... people can take what they want out if it.. but camp isn't the rigorous 2'a days like it used to be. I like Thornton, but if he's a starter then he needs to be a reliable target and stretch the field. If so than this offense can go to heights we didn't think it would.

Being his 3rd year in the league, this is definitely a make it or break it year with the
Pats. If its the former, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong about this guy but having seen every receiver picked from Ron Sellers to Javon Baker I’d be surprised…

 

[mgteich]

STARTERS - Douglas, Thornton, Polk
ACTIVE BACKUP - Osborne
INACTIVE DEVELOPMENTA: BACKUP - Baker
ON PUP - Bourne
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I think that's all we need, certainly all that would get any reps with henry and Gibson on the team.

Anyone else would need to be a special teamer and would get almost zero reps at WR.

 

[mgcolby]

A really nice catch and run on a slant last pre-season?

I keed I keed....but do I?

 

[Real fan 02]

STARTERS - Douglas, Thornton, Polk
ACTIVE BACKUP - Osborne
INACTIVE DEVELOPMENTA: BACKUP - Baker
ON PUP - Bourne
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I think that's all we need, certainly all that would get any reps with henry and Gibson on the team.

Anyone else would need to be a special teamer and would get almost zero reps at WR.

Baker's a player for us he will be on the active game day roster. His speed is just to electric not too. I need to see it consistently from TT.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Baker's a player for us he will be on the active game day roster. His speed is just to electric not too. I need to see it consistently from TT.

A 4.54 sec 40 and a 37" vertical are not explosive or electric numbers.

 

[Real fan 02]

A 4.54 sec 40 and a 37" vertical are not explosive or electric numbers.

He was a top 100 pick. He was drafted based on one of his main traits. SPEED!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He was a top 100 pick. He was drafted based on one of his main traits. SPEED!

Then why is his 40 yard dash time so SLOW?

 

[borg]

Then why is his 40 yard dash time so SLOW?

Speed bettor

 

[Real fan 02]

Then why is his 40 yard dash time so SLOW?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't understand your point. Thornton ran a 4.28 40 at the combine, Boutte ran a 4.50 40 (a 4.67 40 on his second attempt - OUCH), and Baker ran a 4.54 40. Not even close. Look at Thornton's Baylor tape - he regularly ran away from people. What is your point?

 

[Vindicate]

Boutte hasn't looked bad, it's just that his skill set kind of overlaps with too many other guys. Polk and Baker play a similar position, and you want to get them some snaps to see if they're legit. Osborn and Bourne are already veteran presences there as well. I think if WR was a simple matter of pure talent over roles/skillsets, Boutte would probably make it over Thornton. But Thornton adds a speed element that Boutte doesn't really have. And as skeptical as I am about Tyquan, that still provides more value (right now) than a fifth Z receiver.

This is the main knock I think that will push him down to PS - redundancy.

 

[Real fan 02]

I don't understand your point. Thornton ran a 4.28 40 at the combine, Boutte ran a 4.50 40 (a 4.67 40 on his second attempt - OUCH), and Baker ran a 4.54 40. Not even close. Look at Thornton's Baylor tape - he regularly ran away from people. What is your point?

Typically when someone doesn't agree they act like they don't understand. All that your saying is meaningless becuase he was drafted in the 2nd round. If his 40 time was such a problem he wouldn't have been drafted in the 2nd.. your a pretty smart poster you know full well Tyquan has elite speed. It seems like he's finally getting around to show why he was drafted in the 2nd as he's likely a starter. So since you asked.. my point was he's one of the fastest guys on the team and in the league and if he played to his potential he could give this offense something it hasn't had in years. So he's in the NFL now are you still going to use his combine stats? Or are you going to do what most of are and HOPE he puts it all together this season.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Typically when someone doesn't agree they act like they don't understand.

Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I will try to use that in my presonal life.

All that your saying is meaningless becuase he was drafted in the 2nd round.

You can't teach speed. A downfield threat needs speed. An OL needs longer arms if he is going to punch the DL. Some physical traits are critical to certain positions. What round the player was drafted in does not develop those traits.

If his 40 time was such a problem he wouldn't have been drafted in the 2nd.

No idea what this means. Whose 40 time is a problem? Boutte and Baker? They were not drafted in the R2. Thornton's 40 time is not a problem, it is an asset.

your a pretty smart poster you know full well Tyquan has elite speed. It seems like he's finally getting around to show why he was drafted in the 2nd as he's likely a starter. So since you asked.. my point was he's one of the fastest guys on the team and in the league and if he played to his potential he could give this offense something it hasn't had in years. So he's in the NFL now are you still going to use his combine stats? Or are you going to do what most of are and HOPE he puts it all together this season.

Yes, you can not teach speed so the combine testing, unless there are injuries, indicates physical ability. I am a supporter of Tyquan, I have pushed back against posters wanting to cut or trade Tyquan and have argued since his rookie year that we need to give Tyquan three years to mature. I am hppay you have jumped on the Thornton train with me. If you want to find me, I am at the front of the train.

 

[Real fan 02]

Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I will try to use that in my presonal life.

You can't teach speed. A downfield threat needs speed. An OL needs longer arms if he is going to punch the DL. Some physical traits are critical to certain positions. What round the player was drafted in does not develop those traits.

No idea what this means. Whose 40 time is a problem? Boutte and Baker? They were not drafted in the R2. Thornton's 40 time is not a problem, it is an asset.

Yes, you can not teach speed so the combine testing, unless there are injuries, indicates physical ability. I am a supporter of Tyquan, I have pushed back against posters wanting to cut or trade Tyquan and have argued since his rookie year that we need to give Tyquan three years to mature. I am hppay you have jumped on the Thornton train with me. If you want to find me, I am at the front of the train.

Your right! I admit I was iffy on him. But if appears he's finally seeming to put it together this camp. Your right it typically takes guys 2 to 3 years to develop. I was just eluding to that IF... he can put it all together consistently on the field he could give this offense a vertical threat that they have been sorely lacking.. Tyquan and with drakes arm it could be a exciting thing for this offense.

 

[Real fan 02]

He was a top 100 pick. He was drafted based on one of his main traits. SPEED!

@Boomer B