What is your opinion of the Patriots medical staff?

[Pewsterbaby]

"Calling Doctor Howard, Doctor Fine, Doctor Howard!"

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: What is your opinion of the Patriots medical staff?

You are really reaching here.
If want a real discussion about the medical staff, you shouldn't taint it by implying things that you have absolutely no evidence of.

My answer to your question if that I really am incompetant of having an informed opinion because I have no data about they way they have done there job that would allow me to form an opinion and do not have the medical acumen necessary to do so if I did have the data.

I said potentially sir. In my opinion Wilfork missing weeks 3 and 4 of the preseason with a unspecified injury, struggling to play to his usual level as he appeared to be playing through an aliment in the first 3 weeks of the season, and then being lost for the season on a non contact play in week 4 is more then enough evidence to support the word potentially.

 

[PATRlOT]

They should fire that horse-shoe haircut, incompetent piece of crap, aka "Dr. Gill".

 

[pats4life12]

There fine, they seem to try there hardest.You can't blame them for really anything you cant rush a recovery.

 

[SVN]

Dr Gill performed surgery for mankins also. Mankins said in a post game to felger and mazz when asked this question that he didnt have a problem with the medical staff. i think it would be dumb of the pats to keep a medical staff just to prove a point or out of arrogance if they are costing them players and it would be even more dumber I think for Dr Gill to do the pats bidding and clear players when they are not and put his reputation at stake. This is just bad luck with gronk.
And no one seems to be calling out gronk for going and dancing and partying with the broken hand. I didnt have a problem with it but no one seems to point this out either . Twice he had to be pulled from other promotional stuff as well.

 

[SVN]

It was touched on in discussions after the Wilfork injury, he clearly was not himself in the early season games and then to see a player who had missed 3 games in his entire career go down with a season ending injury on a play where there was minimal contact you have to be curious if he belonged on the field.

So this is a "prexisting hidden injury pointing fingers at the medical staff
type of 'touched upon' ? Did you see the minimal contact injury welker had few yrs ago ?

 

[SVN]

I said potentially sir. In my opinion Wilfork missing weeks 3 and 4 of the preseason with a unspecified injury, struggling to play to his usual level as he appeared to be playing through an aliment in the first 3 weeks of the season, and then being lost for the season on a non contact play in week 4 is more then enough evidence to support the word potentially.

You are sure it was an ailment and ailment to the achilles ? I really cant see the pats being so dumb to put their players at risk to win games 3-4 of the season when they know the costs. If anything, go back and look at how BB has managed injuries over the last 10 yrs. Its VERY consistent. Early on in the season players are rested liberally to heal injuries and the injury list dwindles rapidly when the playoffs arrive. He knows he cant lose players and stay competitive down the stretch.
This whole horse**** is coming from the Gronk situation. I cant understand how he is cleared to practice for 6 weeks in pads but cant be cleared to play. Can you explain how this falls on our medical staff ?

 

[Brady6]

So this is a "prexisting hidden injury pointing fingers at the medical staff
type of 'touched upon' ? Did you see the minimal contact injury welker had few yrs ago ?

That is like saying Hernandez is not a murder and the DA is pointing fingers at him for driving the car that night.

There is evidence to at least question the Wilfork situation:

1. Final 2 preseason games missed.
2. Diminished play in weeks 1, 2 and 3.
3. Rumors in the media of him playing through an injury.
4. Suffering a season ending injury on a non-contact play after playing in every game since the 2009 season, and only missing 6 games in his 9+ seasons.

I did see the Welker knee injury, major difference however, Welker was making a cut and his leg was caught in the artificial turf.

All that aside I am not saying that Wilfork suffered his injury because of a preexisting injury, I am saying the potential is there for that to be the case.

 

[Brady6]

You are sure it was an ailment and ailment to the achilles ? I really cant see the pats being so dumb to put their players at risk to win games 3-4 of the season when they know the costs. If anything, go back and look at how BB has managed injuries over the last 10 yrs. Its VERY consistent. Early on in the season players are rested liberally to heal injuries and the injury list dwindles rapidly when the playoffs arrive. He knows he cant lose players and stay competitive down the stretch.
This whole horse**** is coming from the Gronk situation. I cant understand how he is cleared to practice for 6 weeks in pads but cant be cleared to play. Can you explain how this falls on our medical staff ?

I am not sure of anything, like I said in my OP the potential is there in my opinion. In terms of the aliment it does not matter if it was to the Achilles, any leg injury would put extra pressure on the Achilles which could have led to the eventual injury.

The medical staff could be to blame for a number of reasons.

1. Was the plate not properly implanted on the first injury.
2. Gronkowski was not 100% and should not have been on the field against Houston resulting on his own body weight causing the bone to break again.
3. What caused the infection.
4. What caused a 3rd plate to have to be implanted.

I am actually unsure who you would blame other than the medical staff for the Gronkowski situation.

 

[Brady6]

This is sports medicine. Not heart or brain medicine. You're dealing with people in the top 99.99 percentile of physical genetics that are playing a high impact game against people with similar traits. There's a reason there are so few highly regarded sports doctors and tons of middle tier guys. It's ******* hard.

Turn your sad and mopey Pats fan blinders off for one second and take a look around other teams in the league. Boston has some of the best medical facilities, teaching and tools at its hands in the entire world. Because of this Boston attracts some of the most talented doctors in the world. Stack that against cities like Cleveland, Kansas City, St Louis, etc. etc.

Boston is famous for general medicine, research medicine and medical innovation; sports medicine is not highly regarded in this area. None of the top sport medicine doctors hail from this area in fact.

http://www.cartilagedoc.org/downloads/02 05 13 EH The Top 19 U.S. Sports Medicine Specialists.pdf

You are significantly overhyping the medical staff in this area, the Patriots staff has been called into question since the Brady knee injury and the Red Sox have had numerous issues most notably Jacoby Ellsbury.

 

[SVN]

I am not sure of anything, like I said in my OP the potential is there in my opinion. In terms of the aliment it does not matter if it was to the Achilles, any leg injury would put extra pressure on the Achilles which could have led to the eventual injury.

The medical staff could be to blame for a number of reasons.

1. Was the plate not properly implanted on the first injury.
2. Gronkowski was not 100% and should not have been on the field against Houston resulting on his own body weight causing the bone to break again.
3. What caused the infection.
4. What caused a 3rd plate to have to be implanted.

I am actually unsure who you would blame other than the medical staff for the Gronkowski situation.

No. You can blame just injuries and bad luck but you wont even though you dont know if it is true or not. Its easy to blame something concrete than abstract thats all. All your questions are hypotheticals including the wikfork injury which really is a unnecessary reach you are making to prove your point.

 

[Brady6]

Why? If you lack the ability to offer a valid opinion how can you have any idea whether they are the best, worst or anywhere in between?


I'm not sure how you would gather that they f-ed up Gronks arm.
The decision was made by Gronk (along with the team, but a team cannot decide on surgery without the player agreeing) to have the surgery to insert the plate, because he wanted to play in the post season.
There is absolutely no evidence or even claim that the second break was due to a poor job by the surgeon.
The medical staff did not infect Gronks arm.
Can you give some insight as to where and why you are placing blame on the medical staff?

The word you either ignored intentionally because it didn’t fit well with your response or overlooked was the word “IF”.

In terms of evidence that is like saying Hernandez did not shot Lloyd because we don’t have the smoking gun, Rob Gronkowski ran a sideline route went for the ball and used his arm to brace his fall to the ground resulting it breaking again, if that doesn’t make you question the first procedure I am not sure what the hell would Andy. Well the 2 additional surgeries after that would too I guess.

 

[Jackson 2]

That is like saying Hernandez is not a murder and the DA is pointing fingers at him for driving the car that night.

There is evidence to at least question the Wilfork situation:

1. Final 2 preseason games missed.
2. Diminished play in weeks 1, 2 and 3.
3. Rumors in the media of him playing through an injury.
4. Suffering a season ending injury on a non-contact play after playing in every game since the 2009 season, and only missing 6 games in his 9+ seasons.

I did see the Welker knee injury, major difference however, Welker was making a cut and his leg was caught in the artificial turf.

All that aside I am not saying that Wilfork suffered his injury because of a preexisting injury, I am saying the potential is there for that to be the case.

Welker's injury in Houston occurred on natural turf.

 

[Ring 6]

I said potentially sir. In my opinion Wilfork missing weeks 3 and 4 of the preseason with a unspecified injury, struggling to play to his usual level as he appeared to be playing through an aliment in the first 3 weeks of the season, and then being lost for the season on a non contact play in week 4 is more then enough evidence to support the word potentially.

So you are asking people to draw a conclusion based on the possibility of something you do not know happened or not?
Just a bizarre approach IMO.

 

[Ring 6]

The word you either ignored intentionally because it didn’t fit well with your response or overlooked was the word “IF”.

In terms of evidence that is like saying Hernandez did not shot Lloyd because we don’t have the smoking gun, Rob Gronkowski ran a sideline route went for the ball and used his arm to brace his fall to the ground resulting it breaking again, if that doesn’t make you question the first procedure I am not sure what the hell would Andy. Well the 2 additional surgeries after that would too I guess.

Wait,so your argument is that the surgeon did a bad job and thats why it broke the second time?
And your argument is that its the surgeons fault that the arm became infected?

Hernandez shot Lloyd because Hernandez shot Lloyd and the facts are obvious. Gronks injury being caused by the doctor has never been suggested anywhere that I have seen until you just did.

You seem to be confused that facts and you making something up and saying IF are the same thing.

 

[Canuck]

Biography

Dr. Gill received his MD degree from Harvard Medical School in l990. He completed an internship in general surgery at the Massachusetts General Hospital in 1991 and the Harvard Combined Orthopaedic Residency Program in l996. Dr. Gill was awarded the Maurice E. Muller Scholarship to study reconstructive surgery in Bern, Switzerland. He then completed a fellowship in Sports Medicine and Shoulder Surgery at the Steadman Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colorado.

Dr. Gill is Chief of the MGH Sports Medicine Service and an Associate Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at Harvard Medical School. He is the Medical Director for the New England Patriots and a team physician for the Boston Bruins.

Dr. Gill is a fellow of the American Association of Orthopaedic Surgeons and a member of the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine. Dr. Gill has been elected to the Herodicus Society for leading sports medicine surgeons. He is a member of the Team Physician Societies for Major League Baseball, the National Football League, and the National Hockey League.

Dr. Gill's clinical and research interests include knee and shoulder injuries. He has a particular interest in tissue engineering techniques for joint preservation and cartilage repair in an effort to help avoid the need for total joint replacement surgery. He is also active in the study of knee joint biomechanics, and is studying ways to optimize knee ligament surgery.


He seems to be competent at what he does.

A personal story that opened my eyes regarding the medical profession. My brother-in-law went through a botched surgery. The hospital and surgeon involved, all stone-walled any efforts for info. It was only after they got sued that the real story came out. The surgeon wasn't the one who botched the operation, it was a rookie surgeon doing the procedure for the very first time.

So even if you think you're being operated on by the very best surgeon in their field, it might be some newbie doing it under the watchful or not so watchful eye of his mentor.

I think they erred in rushing Gronk back last year. If I remembered correctly he was blocking only with his good arm so it looked to me that he wasn't fully healed. I really can't fault Gronk or the DR's if they want to err on the side of caution this time.

 

[DarrylS]

Remember when there were threads blaming the strength and conditioning coaches every time there was an injury???

Guess it is time to move on to bigger fish.... the Wilfork contention is laughable.

 

[Mack Herron]

I think the main problem with the team's medical staff is that it's the team's medical staff. Like Bedard, I don't think the team's interests are identical to the player' interests. It makes sense to me that Gronk would get an independent medical opinion, and that there is potentially a different point of view from his docs and the team's docs.

 

[vyrago]

Boston is famous for general medicine, research medicine and medical innovation; sports medicine is not highly regarded in this area. None of the top sport medicine doctors hail from this area in fact.

http://www.cartilagedoc.org/downloads/02 05 13 EH The Top 19 U.S. Sports Medicine Specialists.pdf

You are significantly overhyping the medical staff in this area, the Patriots staff has been called into question since the Brady knee injury and the Red Sox have had numerous issues most notably Jacoby Ellsbury.

Wasn't Brady operated on by a west coast dr.? and still he got an infection and his healing was slowed? I don't think his problems can be blamed on Boston doctors.

 

[scout]

Wasn't Brady operated on by a west coast dr.? and still he got an infection and his healing was slowed? I don't think his problems can be blamed on Boston doctors.

Speaking of infections, how about those Buccaneers?