Vrabel Press Conference

[KCSVEN]

Best answer today from Vrabel

Is Dante in line to be potentially an offensive line coach?

“I don’t think he is. I think he’s all set. He’s playing pickleball over in Foxborough

 

[Brotherblues]

You are "making no argument" because you have no argument to make and no evidence upon which to make it. Asked for evidence, you offer, "Just you wait." Please.

Nothing egregious has surfaced to make us dismay. There's no point judging before anything really happens. Right now we can hope without taking it to the bank, or doubt without bringing out the axe. Hence we wait.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The key quote regarding personnel and final say from the 98.5 interview (thanks @Ian for the transcription!):

You mentioned you had discussions with Eliot Wolf over the weekend? Where did those center around and how do you view that collaboration working moving forward?

“I think the vision that him and I both have and the communication and allowing him to find us great players and then for us to come to an agreement about how we add them, I think, is something that will be critical. Again, looking forward. It’s just been a busy morning, so have to be able to get down and see all those personnel, scouts, and everybody in that building. It’s important to me to get to know them because they’re not going to be the ones that are out on the road trying to find us players and seeing them at the Senior Bowl and be able to sit down and have dinner with them and get to know them, the ones that I don’t already know.”

It's been discussed on this board multiple times. There are different levels of personnel control. Guys like McVay, Reid, Jim Harbaugh have personnel guys who pick the players but it's the players that fit their systems.

There is always a "collaborative" discussion but the template for said players is based on the HC's vision and if for whatever reason the HC doesn't like the player the personnel guy isn't drafting or signing them. Period.

Wolf is going by what Vrabes wants not the other way around. If Wolf wants to sign/draft a player and Vrabes, for whatever reason doesn't want the player Wolf ain't drafting him.

 

[maust]

You asked @RobertWeathers for evidence. I suggested to wait and see, not "you just wait".

Brother please, it's as though you're engaging Andy Lite except this one knows how to use spell check.
Steve walks into the bar, bar erupts "Steve!"
RW walks into the bar, "Dude!"
Andy Lite walks in...

 

[Sect140]

Your second sentence is an admission that you have no empirical evidence for your view, expressing as you do that we must "wait for it."This is an argument?. I have offered arguments in support of my view which I will not here repeat for the tenth time.

I’m curious. Did Vrabel state he doesn’t have final say?

 

[Mack Herron]

The key quote regarding personnel and final say from the 98.5 interview (thanks @Ian for the transcription!):

You mentioned you had discussions with Eliot Wolf over the weekend? Where did those center around and how do you view that collaboration working moving forward?

“I think the vision that him and I both have and the communication and allowing him to find us great players and then for us to come to an agreement about how we add them, I think, is something that will be critical. Again, looking forward. It’s just been a busy morning, so have to be able to get down and see all those personnel, scouts, and everybody in that building. It’s important to me to get to know them because they’re not going to be the ones that are out on the road trying to find us players and seeing them at the Senior Bowl and be able to sit down and have dinner with them and get to know them, the ones that I don’t already know.”

Boldface says Wolf is buying the groceries.

 

[PatsFan2]

You're forever an optimist.

Optimus Prime.

 

[Steve102]

Boldface says Wolf is buying the groceries.

*Ryan Cowden has entered the chat*

quite literally I might add.

 

[reflexblue]

I watched that and bb was praising vrable seemed happy until Mcafee brought up the playoff game that with 5min to go vrable pull out and obscured rule that allowed tenn to ru almost two min off the clock without calling a time out. BBs expression changed, he didn't happy, he looked a little angry, like you had to bring that memory up.

 

[PatsFan2]

Boldface says Wolf is buying the groceries.

Don't read too much into that Mack... They say that in front of the the media... I think they do something else behind closed doors.

 

[PatsFan2]

*Ryan Cowden has entered the chat*

quite literally I might add.

I think he's the new Scott Pioli.

 

[signbabybrady]

Best answer today from Vrabel

Is Dante in line to be potentially an offensive line coach?

“I don’t think he is. I think he’s all set. He’s playing pickleball over in Foxborough

Call him Johnny Foxboro and hire his ass

 

[KCSVEN]

I think we all feel the same way.
Last year when they picked Mayo, I just thought the odds of success were low but hoped Mayo proved to be a Wunderkind up for the task. Overall, I felt "anxiety" for lack of a better word over his hire.

This year I just love the Vrabel hire. He's a proven coach that is now at the stage of his coaching career where he should be peaking. I I just feel like he knows what he's doing and it's just a relief to know you have a competent Head Coach.

It's like all that "anxiety" went away, and I can put my feet up and relax for a bit and feel some hope.

Can't wait for the draft, free agency, rookie minicamp and OTA's.

 

[KCSVEN]

Kraft also indicated his next head coach would influence the team’s roster decisions.

“Obviously, he’s going to have big input on who the players are and who the coaches are,” Kraft said. “It’ll be his decision.”

 

[turkeyneck]

I checked and see you didn't get a Like from RKraft on this...

 

[turkeyneck]

Vrabel on his similarities to Belichick:

"Hopefully we're both prepared and we're ready to execute in critical situations... Hopefully our special teams can set the table for the offense and defense and be violent and change field position... Offensively, take care of the football... Defensively, be great in the read zone, get off the field on 3rd down, cause turnovers... All the things that I remember. Now, how we get to that may be different than Bill did, but I also know that there was flexibility there; some ability to adjust and adapt, so you know, that would really be a great compliment if our teams did all those things."

Boy, do we need that back again.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think we all feel the same way.
Last year when they picked Mayo, I just thought the odds of success were low but hoped Mayo proved to be a Wunderkind up for the task. Overall, I felt "anxiety" for lack of a better word over his hire.

This year I just love the Vrabel hire. He's a proven coach that is now at the stage of his coaching career where he should be peaking. I I just feel like he knows what he's doing and it's just a relief to know you have a competent Head Coach.

It's like all that "anxiety" went away, and I can put my feet up and relax for a bit and feel some hope.

Can't wait for the draft, free agency, rookie minicamp and OTA's.

Yea it's a good day filled with hope.

2 weeks ago there was no hope.

 

[Urgent]

He has to be at least through the draft and free agency. His office has been working hard all year to lead up to those moments. You don't just take the work done an throw it away. It has great value even in you disagree with it. You have to have it and use it. Let Vrabel bring in his own guys and evaluate the work that Wolf and his team has done. If its determined they are not compatible the say goodbye.

I completely disagree.
I would throw it all away.
Every personnel decision that Wolf team made has been wrong.
Clearly free agency and the draft this year - with the exception of catching whichever QB fell to them at #3.
And no one knows how much influence he had over Belichick in the recent offseasons, but as head of scouting, it was his role to inform & influence Belichick.

I would rather buy a draft magazine than rely on careful analysis from this team.

 

[Ross12]

Boldface says Wolf is buying the groceries.

Depends on how you interpret "come to an agreement on how we add them."

My interpretation on this is that Vrabel sets the vision of the team (to coin a phrase from @RobertWeathers) and then Wolf builds a big board of players according to that vision. If they don't fit at all then they are left out. If they fit really well they gain a little boost. If they don't fit super well, but might potentially fit, they fall down the board but may still hang on it just in case they fall in the draft and are worth taking a chance on. Etc. Then Vrabel goes into the draft with this board and works alongside Wolf, and whomever else (probably Highsmith and Cowden), to make real-time selections. If their pick is up and player #13 numerically is the "best player available" but Vrabel wants to take player #16 because he personally thinks the team needs that player more right now then he has the latitude to do so.

I also assume that Vrabel and Wolf will be a tandem in free agency with Vrabel identifying who he wants at the higher end and Wolf doing the leg work (recall that Wolf has a very good reputation with agents). But Wolf will also do the leg work for him on finding lesser-known guys, guys on practice squads, guys on waivers etc that "fit the vision" and run them by Vrabel.

This is all in contrast to the Year of Mayo where presumably Mayo was not involved at all in the process and simply was given a roster.

 

[Pape]

Your second sentence is an admission that you have no empirical evidence for your view, expressing as you do that we must "wait for it."This is an argument?. I have offered arguments in support of my view which I will not here repeat for the tenth time.

it is actually a very smart argument. as the hierarchy of the personnel power structure has not been clearly defined for whatever reason, saying "wait and see" is appropriate... a much better tact than pissing in every ones cornflakes, which you seem to be hellbent on doing...