Vote for NE All-Dynasty Team

[1960Pats]

I would word number 3 differently because it sounds as if you are saying they have rings because they happened to play in ring years (ie luck) rather than that they contributed to those rings.
I valued the rings highly in my selections because to me the championships are what makes the dynasty. If Moss, Welker, Mankins to name a few were never Patriots we would have the same 6 championships and the same dynasty.

I made an exception with Mankins. He was too good to leave off.

My only complaint is that they wanted my name and email address before they'd register my picks.

 

[1960Pats]

I almost voted for Pat Pass, the greatest Patriot name of all time, but I couldn't do it.

 

[Ring 6]

I made an exception with Mankins. He was too good to leave off.

My only complaint is that they wanted my name and email address before they'd register my picks.

I left him off because as I said if we never had mankins the dynasty would still be viewed just the same. Personally I’ve never bought into argument that x player was good and would have won if he was on y team, because I see championships as an achievement and you can give someone credit for “would have achieved if”. I put a Andruzzi, mason and Thuney as my Gs because they made plays that led to championships. Not saying any method is better than any other, just saying that’s my method.

The name and email is likely to prevent multiple votes from the same person. I’m sure you have nothing to worry about by providing it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I left him off because as I said if we never had mankins the dynasty would still be viewed just the same. Personally I’ve never bought into argument that x player was good and would have won if he was on y team, because I see championships as an achievement and you can give someone credit for “would have achieved if”. I put a Andruzzi, mason and Thuney as my Gs because they made plays that led to championships. Not saying any method is better than any other, just saying that’s my method.

The name and email is likely to prevent multiple votes from the same person. I’m sure you have nothing to worry about by providing it.

I don’t want to start a war in this thread re: Mankins because that always happens when the zero rings are brought up. I voted for him. But he the worst consistent postseason “Star” they’ve had. Granted there are some major injuries he played though (I think it was 2011 with s torn ACL.). But so many times this guy got absolutely annihilated leading to a playoff loss. They played some great defenses, but this is an all-pro guard and highest paid in the league. Some of the criticism is justified, though I still think he belongs and it wasn’t entirely his fault (the entire line was known to meltdown during that run, a main contributor to the 10 year drought.)

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t want to start a war in this thread re: Mankins because that always happens when the zero rings are brought up. I voted for him. But he the worst consistent postseason “Star” they’ve had. Granted there are some major injuries he played though (I think it was 2011 with s torn ACL.). But so many times this guy got absolutely annihilated leading to a playoff loss. They played some great defenses, but this is an all-pro guard and highest paid in the league. Some of the criticism is justified, though I still think he belongs and it wasn’t entirely his fault (the entire line was known to meltdown during that run, a main contributor to the 10 year drought.)

It’s an interesting dynamic.
Which would you prefer?

never having mankins and rather than winning 110 reg season games and going to 2 sbs and having a 9-8 post season record, we win less during those years.
OR
Russ Hochstein was never a patriot and we don’t win the Sb the year he started?

mankins is probably the best G of the era but I question his contribution to the dynasty.

it very puzzling though that Brady in 18 years is 21-2 in the post season in the years without mankins and 9-8 with. Of course I’m not implying mankins was the reason. Just a weird coincidence.

 

[drewskie]

DL/DT - Seymour, Wilfork, Warren
DL/DE - McGinest, Vrabel, Jones (Jones was the best of our pure edge rushers so I have him over Nink)
LB - Mayo, Bruschi, Hightower (Mayo’s overall body of work puts him ahead of KVN for now)
CB - Law, Gilmore, Samuel (Samuel’s NE career surpasses Revis’ lone season with us)
S - Harrison, McCourty, Milloy

RB - Dillon, Faulk, Lewis (Faulk’s overall body of work makes him a lock imo, Lewis was the best of Lewis/White/Woodhead/Vereen because he was so deadly at making people miss and being a factor in the run game)
FB - Develin
WR - Moss, Brown, Edelman, Welker
TE - Gronk, Bennett (Watson was here much longer but Bennett was more much dominant as a duel receiving and catching threat)
OT - Vollmer, Cannon, Light
G - Neal, Mankins, Thuney (Waters suffers from the Revis single season effect)
C - Koppen
QB - Brady

K - Vinatieri (all the signature kicker moments in the dynasty were from Adam V)
P - Allen
KR - Patterson, Lewis
PR - Edelman
ST Slater, Izzo

 

[BTTA]

Yes, you've made that value system very clear in prior comments in this thread.

I see it differently; probably 80% luck and 20% contribution for most players, with a 50/50 ratio for QB's, coaches, GM's, and a 95% luck 5% ration for specialists and 2nd stringers.

I would word number 3 differently because it sounds as if you are saying they have rings because they happened to play in ring years (ie luck) rather than that they contributed to those rings.
I valued the rings highly in my selections because to me the championships are what makes the dynasty. If Moss, Welker, Mankins to name a few were never Patriots we would have the same 6 championships and the same dynasty.

I left him off because as I said if we never had mankins the dynasty would still be viewed just the same. Personally I’ve never bought into argument that x player was good and would have won if he was on y team, because I see championships as an achievement and you can give someone credit for “would have achieved if”. I put a Andruzzi, mason and Thuney as my Gs because they made plays that led to championships. Not saying any method is better than any other, just saying that’s my method.

The name and email is likely to prevent multiple votes from the same person. I’m sure you have nothing to worry about by providing it.

 

[Biffins]

DL/DT - Seymour, Wilfork, Warren
DL/DE - McGinest, Vrabel, Jones (Jones was the best of our pure edge rushers so I have him over Nink)
LB - Mayo, Bruschi, Hightower (Mayo’s overall body of work puts him ahead of KVN for now)
CB - Law, Gilmore, Samuel (Samuel’s NE career surpasses Revis’ lone season with us)
S - Harrison, McCourty, Milloy

RB - Dillon, Faulk, Lewis (Faulk’s overall body of work makes him a lock imo, Lewis was the best of Lewis/White/Woodhead/Vereen because he was so deadly at making people miss and being a factor in the run game)
FB - Develin
WR - Moss, Brown, Edelman, Welker
TE - Gronk, Bennett (Watson was here much longer but Bennett was more much dominant as a duel receiving and catching threat)
OT - Vollmer, Cannon, Light
G - Neal, Mankins, Thuney (Waters suffers from the Revis single season effect)
C - Koppen
QB - Brady

K - Vinatieri (all the signature kicker moments in the dynasty were from Adam V)
P - Allen
KR - Patterson, Lewis
PR - Edelman
ST Slater, Izzo

So this is about contribution to Pats and not just the best talent to play for Pats.

 

[TouchDown Patriots]

QB - Brady
RB - Faulk
RB - White
RB - Dillon
FB - Develin
TE - Gronkowski
TE - Watson
WR - Edelman
WR - Moss
WR - Welker
WR - Brown
T - Light
T - Vollmer
T - Cannon
G - Mankins
G - Thuney
G - Mason
C - Koppen

DL - Seymour
DL - Wilfork
DL - Flowers
Edge - McGinest
Edge - Vrabel
Edge - Ninkovich
LB - Hightower
LB - Bruschi
LB - Mayo
CB - Law
CB - Gilmore
CB - Revis
S - Harrison
S - McCourty
S - Chung

K - Gostkowski
P - Allen
KR - Branch
KR - Lewis
PR - Amendola
ST - Slater
ST - Izzo

Notes:

Used both KR and PR on players that I really wanted (Branch, Amendola, Lewis) but just missed out on their position. Edelman is obviously a better PR than Amendola and Patterson better than Branch or Lewis.

Ninkovich may not be a popular pick, but I just like him and think of him as a Patriot moreso than some other objectively more skilled players. He was a team first player and had many clutch plays. Same with Flowers...a lot of critical clutch plays.

Toughest decision was Revis vs. Butler for CB3. Revis only played one year, and Butler had the greatest play, but I still went with Revis, who was the #1 best CB in the league. Could be convinced to change that one, as it kind of contradicts my last point.

Gostkowski over Vinatieri is also a tough call, so I’m just going on bias as a tiebreaker. Gostkowski is a lifelong Patriot and has been tremendous. Vinatieri can make the Colts team.

I made the same picks, except... Butler over Asante/Revis & Neal over Thuney. Another tough call was putting Mayo over Kyle Van Noy!

 

[p8ryts]

I made an exception with Mankins. He was too good to leave off.

My only complaint is that they wanted my name and email address before they'd register my picks.

Uh oh! THEY are coming for you.

 

[1960Pats]

Uh oh! THEY are coming for you.

I have enough junk mail.

 

[tasmlab]

Gronk at TE, but the second best TE of the era isn't even alive anymore. Maybe that's why he wasn't listed? Why wouldn't you list him?

Hernandez? If the game here is to assemble one great team of talent for one great hypothetical game, then I could see it, but I don't think anybody wants a murderer on the roster.

 

[upstater1]

Hernandez? If the game here is to assemble one great team of talent for one great hypothetical game, then I could see it, but I don't think anybody wants a murderer on the roster.

It's not like this roster is going to play an actual game.

I mean, I'm not sure I really want to see Kevin Faulk running around.