UPDATES on Butler situation: Butler wants to be "A Patriots for Life" AND "paid like a Top 10 CB"

[XLIX]

Do we (or more importantly Butler) know what's been reported about Gilmore's contract is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I worry that Butler is getting freaked over something that isn't entirely true. It wouldn't be the first time an agent (in this case Gilmore's) put out contract numbers for his client that were, at best, misleading. Or at worst, total BS.

Does Gilmore's "average" include tons of incentives, and a best case scenario? Does it include an obviously bogus bonus year(s) late in the contract where it balloons all of a sudden to a ridiculous amount, where he and the team assumes he'll be cut or restructure? Those would drive the average up on paper, but it doesn't mean Gilmore will get every penny initially reported by his agent.

According to the reports, he got $40 million guaranteed and there is no "balloon" in the final year. In fact, the final year is less than the average annual value.

It was a very un-Patriotslike contract - not that I'm complaining.

 

[Marqui]

Patriots need to offer Butler 4yrs/$40 M and Butler needs to accept it and just end all this nonsense.

 

[Real World]

In BB I trust, but man how awesome would it be to have Butler & Gilmore at corner, with Hightower in the middle. Git err dun BB!

 

[festy1986]

In BB I trust, but man how awesome would it be to have Butler & Gilmore at corner, with Hightower in the middle. Git err dun BB!

About as awesome as it would have been to have Harrison and Milloy at the safety positions.

But bill don't give a **** about that stuff.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Still, it pains me to say it, but from what I've heard there's stuff that gets said by the Pats during negotiation that is borderline deception. I don't dismiss the Butler camp's claims out of hand. A friend knows Lonnie Paxton and according to him Paxton was told for 3 years straight 'just do a 1 year deal now and we'll take care of you next year.'

So sad to see Paxton's movie career cut short. RIP.

 

[doesntmatter1]

I love Butler and would prefer that he remain a Patriot, but he is a little overrated. I have questioned on numerous occasions if Butler was actually even better than Ryan who we just let walk out the door. I don't care if you give Butler safety help, I don't believe he can stop D. Hopkins and Thomas the way Ryan did. Lastly, Butler's style of play doesn't seem to lend itself to many turnover opportunities.

I want to make it clear that I want to keep Butler, but I feel pretty confident we would survive without him.

 

[RayClay]

Agent lost all leverage, now wants t negotiate in the media. lol, good luck with that.

 

[TomPatriot]

I want a pony.

 

[NashuaPats]

Agent lost all leverage, now wants t negotiate in the media. lol, good luck with that.

Yup. At first he was trying to win a staring contest with Bill and now he's trying to win sympathy through the media. He obviously doesn't know Bill at all.

 

[TBR]

Between Gilmore, Butler, McCourty and Harmon, the money spent in the secondary for just 4 players would average $36.7M/year, assuming Butler would get a contract that is $10M/per. That's 21% of the cap to 4 guys in the secondary. Would Bill do that?

Worth noting that Seattle averages $36.7M/year to Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor and Lane in the secondary.

Broncos (Talib, Harris, Stewart, Ward) average $30.6/year.

Worth noting that a lot of these guys like Talib, Harris, E Thomas, signed their contracts a few years ago and look like really good deals now.

 

[Kdo5]

I love Butler and would prefer that he remain a Patriot, but he is a little overrated. I have questioned on numerous occasions if Butler was actually even better than Ryan who we just let walk out the door. I don't care if you give Butler safety help, I don't believe he can stop D. Hopkins and Thomas the way Ryan did. Lastly, Butler's style of play doesn't seem to lend itself to many turnover opportunities.

I want to make it clear that I want to keep Butler, but I feel pretty confident we would survive without him.

Logan Ryan better than Malcolm Butler? My goodness...guess we should get used to this now that Butler looks to be heading out the door.

 

[Xerostomia]

I'm confused after reading this whole thread.

Correct me if I am wrong in my math, but if the Pats offered him 7 million/yr (lets just round up the number) prior to the start of 2016, and lets say 5 years, that would mean $35 million from 2016-2020 (5 seasons). Subtract his 2016 salary of 600 000 and 2017 tender of ~3.9 million, that would mean ~$30.5 million for 3 years (2018-2020). Basically the same contract that Ryan got, but essentially 2 years prior to UFA.

Given that at the beginning of 2016, he essentially had 'only' 1 year of full time CB play in the NFL, I view that at the Patriots being very generous and rewarding. How many undrafted players get mega contracts after 1 year of play?

Regarding Gilmore, he is younger, and has 5 years experience in the NFL. Different situation. If Butler wants to get paid, then he needs to wait till 2018, become an UFA, and hope someone pays him Gilmore money. Factor in age, and injury risk, and I doubt he does better than Ryan.

 

[Marqui]

Between Gilmore, Butler, McCourty and Harmon, the money spent in the secondary for just 4 players would average $36M/year, assuming Butler would get a contract that is $10M/per. That's 21% of the cap to 4 guys in the secondary. Would Bill do that?

Why not? Explain why that would be a bad thing that cripples the team.

 

[patfanken]

Between Gilmore, Butler, McCourty and Harmon, the money spent in the secondary for just 4 players would average $36M/year, assuming Butler would get a contract that is $10M/per. That's 21% of the cap to 4 guys in the secondary. Would Bill do that?

Worth noting that Seattle averages $31M/year to their big 3 in the secondary.

Broncos (Talib, Harris, Stewart, Ward) average $30.6/year.

Worth noting that a lot of these guys like Talib, Harris, E Thomas, signed their contracts a few years ago and look like really good deals now.

Howe's assertion that the Pats told Butler they wouldn't pay a CB 10MM defies any logic at all, when they have already paid Revis a lot more than that, AND already offered him more than that, OR even bothered to look at what the market was for top #1 CB's in recent years, OR saw what a good #2 CB just got from the Titans. All this evidence completely contradicts the agent's narrative.

This is really bad reporting by Howe. He is basically giving us the agent's message without any critical thought about the validity of what he's saying and reporting it as a FACT.

 

[TBR]

*Edited some figures. And added Lane for Seattle.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Between Gilmore, Butler, McCourty and Harmon, the money spent in the secondary for just 4 players would average $36.7M/year, assuming Butler would get a contract that is $10M/per. That's 21% of the cap to 4 guys in the secondary. Would Bill do that?

Worth noting that Seattle averages $36.7M/year to Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor and Lane in the secondary.

Broncos (Talib, Harris, Stewart, Ward) average $30.6/year.

Worth noting that a lot of these guys like Talib, Harris, E Thomas, signed their contracts a few years ago and look like really good deals now.

Fascinating. Good research.

I think BB absolutely wants to keep Malcolm....at the right price.

 

[Kdo5]

This is really bad reporting by Howe. He is basically giving us the agent's message without any critical thought about the validity of what he's saying and reporting it as a FACT.

I do agree with this, don't like the way Howe reported it as a fact when the likely source has an obvious narrative to drive.

 

[ViperGTS]

Sounds to me like they aren't liking what they are hearing outside the Pats. Much like Hightower, but he can mask his situation by being a FA. To me, Butlers agent royally screwed this one up, or he is doing exactly what his client wants him to do. Either way it's a mistake.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I love Butler and would prefer that he remain a Patriot, but he is a little overrated. I have questioned on numerous occasions if Butler was actually even better than Ryan who we just let walk out the door. I don't care if you give Butler safety help, I don't believe he can stop D. Hopkins and Thomas the way Ryan did. Lastly, Butler's style of play doesn't seem to lend itself to many turnover opportunities.

I want to make it clear that I want to keep Butler, but I feel pretty confident we would survive without him.

Malcolm Butler is absolutely better than Logan Ryan. And Ryan had plenty of help with both Hopkins and Thomas.

 

[Pessimistic Pete]

I have questioned on numerous occasions if Butler was actually even better than Ryan

This board has gone completely delusional on this topic.

Now Logan Ryan is better than Malcom Butler?