Update: Curran says Belichick has been on the hot seat since 2019

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Lol so basically the "talent" is anyone who will still be under contract in 2025. Got it.

Haha, lol, roflmao, yuck yuck yuck...not what I said.

If you hate all their players, why are you a Pats fan?

If all their players are as bad as you seem to believe, why are they winning half their games and hanging in their with pretty much everyone?

"Grass is greener" is a crappy philosophy.

 

[slash83]

Why Bill why did you put yourself in this position?!?

 

[p8ryts]

Go look at his numbers.

played 9 games missed 8.

 

[203Pat]

Haha, lol, roflmao, yuck yuck yuck...not what I said.

If you hate all their players, why are you a Pats fan?

If all their players are as bad as you seem to believe, why are they winning half their games and hanging in their with pretty much everyone?

"Grass is greener" is a crappy philosophy.

Instead of responding to what I said you clutch your pearls and get hysterical. Talent and just being on the roster are two completely different things. Out of all the players who are under contract in 2025 the only ones I am excited about are Jack Jones and Marcus Jones and one of them might not be on the team by week 1 of 2023. Other than that we have a bunch of guys who have barely seen or haven't seen the field yet, Juju, who I am not even excited about right now, Bentley, who is a solid player but not worth getting excited about, and Davante Parker who has almost no chance of actually being here in 2025.

 

[Ring 6]

Hopkins isn’t an overpay and costed zero assets.

I was speaking in general and it is tbd whether he is an overpay based upon his he plays and how the players we put out there play.
Overpays are never visible in foresight on in hindsight.

My point being the implication was that someone with their job on the line would therefore spend like a drunken sailor, which would not improve their job security.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They have had some decent draft picks the past few years but the issue is a lot of times when we hit on a draft pick they don't end up getting a second contract. Onwenu, Dugger, and Uche are all up for a deal soon and does anyone think we will even sign 2/3? I think the re-sign one of them if we're lucky.

Between the 2019 and 2018 drafts we have one single player still on the roster in Ja'Whaun Bentley. Bill drafted very poorly for quite a few years in a row and now that we actually have some guys worth keeping Bill is going to let them walk so we can overpay free agents and sign another 14 special teamers.

Yes I think Duggar and Uche will both be resigned. The Pats drafted multiple IOL last year, like Mafi and Andrews, so it would not surprise me if Onwenu is not resigned. It seems like the Pats are not completely sold on Onwenu like they were with Thuney. I am not sure why.

BB makes mistakes but also corrects the mistakes. Jonnu is gone, a mistake corrected. BB rarely if ever overpays.

Stay positive Cousin.

 

[203Pat]

Yes I think Duggar and Uche will both be resigned. The Pats drafted multiple IOL last year, like Mafi and Andrews, so it would not surprise me if Onwenu is not resigned. It seems like the Pats are not completely sold on Onwenu like they were with Thuney. I am not sure why.

BB makes mistakes but also corrects the mistakes. Jonnu is gone, a mistake corrected. BB rarely if ever overpays.

Stay positive Cousin.

Dugger I think is the most likely of the three and I agree the draft this year solidified the chance Onwenu is gone. Uche is the one I am not sure on. The second half of last season Bill finally took the reins off Uche and just let him rush the passer which is what he is good at. If Bill does that again this season and Uche ends up with double digit sacks I don’t think Bill will match what he would be likely to receive in free agency.

The thing with Bill is as of late I think he has overpaid in terms of some free agent contracts or draft capital to get some veterans that didn't pan out. The Sanu trade, the Michael Bennett trade, the AB situation, Jonnu, Hunter Henry. I think those are all pretty bad recent miscalculations Bill reached on.

 

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Instead of responding to what I said you clutch your pearls and get hysterical. Talent and just being on the roster are two completely different things. Out of all the players who are under contract in 2025 the only ones I am excited about are Jack Jones and Marcus Jones and one of them might not be on the team by week 1 of 2023. Other than that we have a bunch of guys who have barely seen or haven't seen the field yet, Juju, who I am not even excited about right now, Bentley, who is a solid player but not worth getting excited about, and Davante Parker who has almost no chance of actually being here in 2025.

Clutching nothing and not getting hysterical. Good teams start with a solid core that isn't expensive - they'll have all the money they need to get some A+ guys in here in the next couple of years, and with a more than capable supporting cast.

 

[Grogan14]

Does anyone believe if Bill is still here in 2025 that he will pay our young talent the market rate as they come up for deals? better get ready for the patriots to be a bottom of the barrel team. Because Bills whole philosophy is to nickel and dime his players and give them insulting deals. he's more concerned with "winning" the deal than keeping the player/talent. So unless he changes his philosophy get ready for the patriots to be a garbage team. He's not going to want to pay Stevenson or Mac Jones what other teams will. He didn't want to pay guys like Gronk or Brady.

At some point the Patriots ARE going to have to pay for talent. Bill's whole strategy of being the cheapest team in the league and lowballing everyone isn't a winning strategy in the NFL. Otherwise fans better be happy with being a poor to middling team but they can take a victory lap in that Bill got the best deal! and kept Patriots as the lowest spending team!

this strategy worked when Brady agreed to take lowball deals to help win AND the team was winning superbowls. and Bill could say to guys "If the GOAT is taking a paycut you can and you'll win a chip" he cant say that anymore yet is still operating that way. come to the patriots, be a mid-tier team and make less money!

even in the superbowl years, we forget how he treated Gronk, the GOAT tight end. almost shipped him out of town which undoubtedly would've meant we didn't win a super-bowl in 2018(and once again had no plan for when he did leave). How he treated Brady at the end, giving the guy one year prove it deals which pushed him out early (leaving no plan but cam newton to replace him). Poor drafts/roster decisions left the cupboard bare in 2019 leaving brady with a garbage roster which just exacerbated why he wanted to leave.

2021 was a step in the right direction. But it almost seems Kraft has to twist Bill's arm to get him to make these changes. they arent willingly. Took the garbage cam newton year while Brady won a championship for Kraft to send out Bill to spend big money in free agency. Then took the disaster of Patricia for Bill to actually go out and hire O'brien.

All his moves to improve the team post brady seem more reactionary than actually trying to put the best team on the field. He does what he wants, its an absolute failure then Kraft makes him go out and make the changes he shouldve made/planned for to begin with.

Great post. Spot on.

 

[Steve102]

Dugger I think is the most likely of the three and I agree the draft this year solidified the chance Onwenu is gone. Uche is the one I am not sure on. The second half of last season Bill finally took the reins off Uche and just let him rush the passer which is what he is good at. If Bill does that again this season and Uche ends up with double digit sacks I don’t think Bill will match what he would be likely to receive in free agency.

The thing with Bill is as of late I think he has overpaid in terms of some free agent contracts or draft capital to get some veterans that didn't pan out. The Sanu trade, the Michael Bennett trade, the AB situation, Jonnu, Hunter Henry. I think those are all pretty bad recent miscalculations Bill reached on.

You can't hold the Sanu and AB situations over him, as those were part of the "all in" to keep everything going at the end of the run. No matter what anyone says, I will always believe those two were partially to placate Tom as well.

 

[203Pat]

Clutching nothing and not getting hysterical. Good teams start with a solid core that isn't expensive - they'll have all the money they need to get some A+ guys in here in the next couple of years, and with a more than capable supporting cast.

The point is where is the solid core? The two Jones corners are under contract in 2025 but other than that there isn't really anyone "solid" that will be here by then officially. We are also going to eat into all that cap space if we do hopefully retain guys like Uche, Dugger, and Barmore so we will still have space but nowhere near what we are projected to have if we let everyone walk.

 

[203Pat]

You can't hold the Sanu and AB situations over him, as those were part of the "all in" to keep everything going at the end of the run. No matter what anyone says, I will always believe those two were partially to placate Tom as well.

I will give you that and to some extent I agree since that was the Brady era and Bill overextended himself for those two.

 

[Ring 6]

The point is where is the solid core? The two Jones corners are under contract in 2025 but other than that there isn't really anyone "solid" that will be here by then officially. We are also going to eat into all that cap space if we do hopefully retain guys like Uche, Dugger, and Barmore so we will still have space but nowhere near what we are projected to have if we let everyone walk.

We currently have 110 mill in 2024 and 220 mill in 2025 per overthecap so we can sign our own and bring in anyone we want.
But championships aren’t won at the top end of cap hits they are win in the middle and bottom range.

 

[Brady6]

You can't hold the Sanu and AB situations over him, as those were part of the "all in" to keep everything going at the end of the run. No matter what anyone says, I will always believe those two were partially to placate Tom as well.

Nothing says going all in, like trading a second-round pick for a player with 33 catches, 313 yards, and a touchdown at the trade deadline.

 

[203Pat]

We currently have 110 mill in 2024 and 220 mill in 2025 per overthecap so we can sign our own and bring in anyone we want.
But championships aren’t won at the top end of cap hits they are win in the middle and bottom range.

Says who? The Chiefs are coming off a Super Bowl win and have over 40% of their cap taken up by 3 players.

 

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Says who? The Chiefs are coming off a Super Bowl win and have over 40% of their cap taken up by 3 players.

There's only ONE Patrick Mahomes, sorry.

(And Cinci got screwed)

 

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The point is where is the solid core? The two Jones corners are under contract in 2025 but other than that there isn't really anyone "solid" that will be here by then officially. We are also going to eat into all that cap space if we do hopefully retain guys like Uche, Dugger, and Barmore so we will still have space but nowhere near what we are projected to have if we let everyone walk.

I see Strange and at least two of the other draftees as legitimate NFL OL starters.
Bentley is a B+ LB, and I think Mapu will turn out just fine.
The two Jones and Gonzo will be a fantastic DB group.

Mac will still be relatively cheap, Zappe is there behind hm. Obviously, if Mac doesn't pan out, they're set back - welcome to the modern NFL. QB is the crap shoot, but you can hardly whine if your coach doesn't draft Mahomes.

That, right there super group of cheap players. Add in their own second-contract group, which they can afford, extend a couple of the others, like I said earlier, and that's a truly strong core, in-house-developed core of players.

I don't know what the hell you expect for 2025, honestly. Big-name stars, still a couple of years out from contention? You want Diggs on his contract starting in 2025? Hill (who will be retiring that year)?

With my layman's eye, I'm hoping they keep all of Barmore, Uche, Dugger and Onwenu.
The point remains: the ball is in THEIR court. They have the money. They haven't traded any draft picks over the next couple of years, either, iirc.

 

[203Pat]

I see Strange and at least two of the other draftees as legitimate NFL OL starters.
Bentley is a B+ LB, and I think Mapu will turn out just fine.
The two Jones and Gonzo will be a fantastic DB group.

Mac will still be relatively cheap, Zappe is there behind hm. Obviously, if Mac doesn't pan out, they're set back - welcome to the modern NFL. QB is the crap shoot, but you can hardly whine if your coach doesn't draft Mahomes.

That, right there super group of cheap players. Add in their own second-contract group, which they can afford, extend a couple of the others, like I said earlier, and that's a truly strong core, in-house-developed core of players.

I don't know what the hell you expect for 2025, honestly. Big-name stars, still a couple of years out from contention? You want Diggs on his contract starting in 2025? Hill (who will be retiring that year)?

With my layman's eye, I'm hoping they keep all of Barmore, Uche, Dugger and Onwenu.
The point remains: the ball is in THEIR court. They have the money. They haven't traded any draft picks over the next couple of years, either, iirc.

So a guard who was benched multiple times his rookie year and some other guards who have never played a snap, a role player LB, and a corner who has never played a snap, along with a backup QB is your addition to the two Jones's?

What I expected is a couple guys from the 2018 and 2019 drafts who would have been on their second contracts with the team right in the middle of their prime as well as at least Uche and Dugger from the following class as plus level starters in 2025. Now I won't kill Bill for Uche and Dugger being gone when it hasn't happened yet but 4 abysmal drafts in a row is the reason we will have a ton of cap room but little talent on the roster. By 2025 I would like to have a true number 1 receiver, an idea of whether or not we have a QB (Mac or the next guy), and a few more good draft picks.

 

[RIpats88]

Bill is still operating as if he has Brady on the roster. I mean their whole pitch to Hopkins supposedly was to take less because of the "culture of winning"

What culture of winning? There hasn't been much of that since Brady left.

 

[ahmed]

Says who? The Chiefs are coming off a Super Bowl win and have over 40% of their cap taken up by 3 players.

Some people are still under the delusion that what won us all those SBs was coaching, hard work and team culture. No need for elite players at all.