Underwood draws notice at WR + Gaffney comments on 3rd WR role

[Patjew]

Gaffney's one player BB should never have let get away.

I agree. The way he came on at the end of 2006 was fantastic.

 

[robbomango]

I do think quickness trumps other attributes in our offense. we still have tremendous tight ends, though.

Exactly, Gronk is like a slower, sleightly bigger Calvin johnson with better blocking skills.

That being said, if one had to pick Gronk or Calvin, who would it be?

 

[RayClay]

I think our passing offense is similar to our defense, in a way. You maintain discipline, resist what your "instincts" tell you.

Say you've got four receivers on a play. They aren't running four separate routes, it's one big play designed to make the defense make a decision, be it the safeties, corners or linebackers.

Everyone needs to read the defense in their area and change the route, if necessary according to what they've practiced and studied, not to get open. If everyone makes the right decision, the defense will be breached ans someone will be open in the right place at the right time.

Why would people struggle? Say a receiver from a less strict system comes to the decision point and sees he'll be open. Unfortunately, Brady is looking at a different receiver, who isn't open (maybe due to Rec #1's decision, then comes back to receiver #1 as the defense is now adjusting to what the did, he's not where he's supposed to be, he's no longer open.

This offense absolutely favors jitterbugs like Welker, Troy and young Branch (old Branch is still good). Long striding receivers definitely have an effect on defenses with the long ball, but that's a different type of offense. Doesn't mean we can't get speedier receivers, but they need to be able to make quick cuts and decisions too.

On offense and defense I think Pats players need to color in the lines for years before they start being more creative. If you can't be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be (for that defense) or maintain your discipline (on defense) you need to go, no matter what else you can do. That's why I always had mixed feelings about Moss, as great as he was, cause i think it set back our system so we could emphasize a different type of passing game.

Watch our passing game when it's clicking. It almpst does seem like their isn't any defense, its playing catch, and that's never the case in reality.

Ryan put up a good game plan last year and we have some personnel weaknesses, but any offense can be stopped with the right game plan by a good defense for one game. It's real hard to stop ours compared to most.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's not like the 3 million guaranteed that Denver paid him was a real cap-buster.

There has to be more to it. 4yrs- $10m w/ $3m guaranteed w/ 5m in the 1st 2 years...should have kept him no question.

I'd be willing to bet BB would want a mulligan on that one..

 

[Jared]

I agree. The way he came on at the end of 2006 was fantastic.

I still remember 2006 ending with a drop for Gaffney. Like Hobbs and Asante, unfortunately Jabar left on a down note.

 

[PittPatriot]

I still remember 2006 ending with a drop for Gaffney. Like Hobbs and Asante, unfortunately Jabar left on a down note.

I thought Reche Caldwell had the drop?

 

[Gwedd]

Why can't we just find a friggin 6'4 220lb athletic monster of a WR whose smart. Our 5'8 slow midgets the only ones capable of picking up our offense?

We have two of them, but ours are cleverly disguised as Tight Ends.......

 

[rookBoston]

Why can't we just find a friggin 6'4 220lb athletic monster of a WR whose smart. Our 5'8 slow midgets the only ones capable of picking up our offense?

Hell, who needs more red zone targets with the young TEs on the roster. I'd be more than happy to have another quick twitch smurf if he can read the coverage.

 

[aurakilla]

I still remember 2006 ending with a drop for Gaffney. Like Hobbs and Asante, unfortunately Jabar left on a down note.

aaaaaaahhhhhh my friend a drop in 06 you say.......that was bug eyes Reche Caldwell not Gaffney.........

 

[aurakilla]

Exactly, Gronk is like a slower, sleightly bigger Calvin johnson with better blocking skills.

That being said, if one had to pick Gronk or Calvin, who would it be?

Calvin is great but I really don`t know how any one could pick him over GRONK.

He is a great blocker, and a great receiver.

Calvin is a great receiver, but no where near as good as a blocker.

 

[robbomango]

Calvin is great but I really don`t know how any one could pick him over GRONK.

He is a great blocker, and a great receiver.

Calvin is a great receiver, but no where near as good as a blocker.

I'd pick gronk as well, just thought I'd throw the question out there since there's a lot of been a big desire to have a receiver like calvin. If Brady can put 13+ TD's on a 2nd year tight end I wonder what he'd be able to do with a player like calvin.

 

[Patspsycho]

I think our passing offense is similar to our defense, in a way. You maintain discipline, resist what your "instincts" tell you.

Say you've got four receivers on a play. They aren't running four separate routes, it's one big play designed to make the defense make a decision, be it the safeties, corners or linebackers.

Everyone needs to read the defense in their area and change the route, if necessary according to what they've practiced and studied, not to get open. If everyone makes the right decision, the defense will be breached ans someone will be open in the right place at the right time.

I think the idea is that every receiver has a different stem (or tube) they run, and at the end of those stems are the four or five options that you speak of, and they are sometimes coverage dictated, based on how the safeties are aligned, etc.

But this isn't the rule. Sometimes there are default routes based on mismatches, etc.

Hopefully I've got the terminology right, this time.

 

[Patjew]

I still remember 2006 ending with a drop for Gaffney. Like Hobbs and Asante, unfortunately Jabar left on a down note.

Take it back.

 

[satz]

At that time when Jab left every fan was happy that a 10 million 5 yr contract was too rich

we since have spend 2 high WR picks , Ocho got 6.5 this year alone , paid tate/price and couple of older guys who we signed to replace Jab .

so we spend more picks and dollar and yet to give brady a 3rd option.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

"The Hut" was a fav of mine; hated to see him go. Good guy.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Exactly, Gronk is like a slower, sleightly bigger Calvin johnson with better blocking skills.

That being said, if one had to pick Gronk or Calvin, who would it be?

This is the one instance where I would pick a elite te over an elite wr. Both are matchup nightmares but our te is making history his first 2 years in the league and noone can stop him.

 

[BlueThunder]

One wonders how many got that reference WP

 

[RodThePat]

This is the one instance where I would pick a elite te over an elite wr. Both are matchup nightmares but our te is making history his first 2 years in the league and noone can stop him.

Okay, it's time to stop the madness. I absolutely worship Gronk, but to say you'd take him over Megatron is ridiculous. Calvin Johnson has played more than half his games with guys like Kitna, Orlovsky and Shaun Hill throwing him the football. Let's not pretend that he was in a good situation to succeed in Detroit. I'd take him over Gronk without even blinking, a guy like that opens everything up in the middle of the field, and we'd still have a very good TE in Aaron Hernandez. Oh, and he runs pretty much every route there is and isn't afraid of contact between the hashmarks. We have absolutely nobody in our roster with the skillset Calvin Johnson possesses, he would be an absolute monster with Tom Brady throwing him the ball.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

I still remember 2006 ending with a drop for Gaffney. Like Hobbs and Asante, unfortunately Jabar left on a down note.

That was Caldwell. Gaffney's drop came against the Colts in 2008.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Deus Irae]

This is the one instance where I would pick a elite te over an elite wr. Both are matchup nightmares but our te is making history his first 2 years in the league and noone can stop him.

13 TDs is the record for a TE. 23 is the record for WRs. The WR is the way to go.


I love Gronk, but I'd drive him to the airport myself if trading him could get Megatron in return.