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[PATSNUTme]

Pro Football Weekly as of 2/18

NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

 

[PATSNUTme]

from National football Post and Yahoo sports- undated top 297

NFL - Draft - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Nonentity]

New Top 100 from Wes Bunting @ National Football Post...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/nfp-updated-top-100-4/

 

[Seneschal2]

3/17/09 Top 150...

NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

I find it interesting that they have a grade scale in their player rankings, and their top ranked player has only a 6.60 grade. If their grading system is at all accurate at the top, then this draft has very few blue chip prospects. Here's their grade chart:

9.0 — A once-in-a-lifetime player (e.g. John Elway, Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor).
8.00-8.99 — Perennial All-Pro (e.g., Bruce Matthews).
7.50-7.99 — Future All-Pro.
7.00-7.49 — Should become a Pro Bowl-caliber player.
6.50-6.99 — Surefire first-rounder who, aside from a quarterback, should contribute as a rookie.
6.00-6.49 — Has a good chance to go in the first round and be a starter by his second season.
5.60-5.99 — A legitimate second-round pick.
5.50-5.59 — Depending on the quality of the draft, player will go in the late second round or the third round.
5.40-5.49 — A third-round pick, taking into account the selections the NFL adds at the end of rounds each year.
5.30-5.39 — A fourth-round pick.
5.21-5.29 — A fourth- or fifth-round pick.
5.20 — A fifth- or sixth-round pick.
5.11-5.19 — A sixth-round pick.
5.10 — A seventh-round pick.
5.01-5.09 — High-priority free agent who could end up being drafted.
4.75-5.00 — Priority free agent who could end up being drafted.
4.50-4.74 — Solid free agents who have an outside chance to make the right NFL team.
4.00-4.49 — A player who could be in an NFL training camp.

I do wonder how they arrive at their rankings, especially when Connor Barwin grades out as a fourth-rounder at 5.37.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

I find it interesting that they have a grade scale in their player rankings, and their top ranked player has only a 6.60 grade. If their grading system is at all accurate at the top, then this draft has very few blue chip prospects. Here's their grade chart:

9.0 — A once-in-a-lifetime player (e.g. John Elway, Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor).
8.00-8.99 — Perennial All-Pro (e.g., Bruce Matthews).
7.50-7.99 — Future All-Pro.
7.00-7.49 — Should become a Pro Bowl-caliber player.
6.50-6.99 — Surefire first-rounder who, aside from a quarterback, should contribute as a rookie.
6.00-6.49 — Has a good chance to go in the first round and be a starter by his second season.
5.60-5.99 — A legitimate second-round pick.
5.50-5.59 — Depending on the quality of the draft, player will go in the late second round or the third round.
5.40-5.49 — A third-round pick, taking into account the selections the NFL adds at the end of rounds each year.
5.30-5.39 — A fourth-round pick.
5.21-5.29 — A fourth- or fifth-round pick.
5.20 — A fifth- or sixth-round pick.
5.11-5.19 — A sixth-round pick.
5.10 — A seventh-round pick.
5.01-5.09 — High-priority free agent who could end up being drafted.
4.75-5.00 — Priority free agent who could end up being drafted.
4.50-4.74 — Solid free agents who have an outside chance to make the right NFL team.
4.00-4.49 — A player who could be in an NFL training camp.

I do wonder how they arrive at their rankings, especially when Connor Barwin grades out as a fourth-rounder at 5.37.

Don't be picking on PATSNUTMe's primary source of misinformation.

 

[Seneschal2]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

Don't be picking on PATSNUTMe's primary source of misinformation.

Funny thing is, Barwin's still rising. Was a solid second-rounder, and now considered a fringe first by many. These rankings were updated 3 days ago. So I kept scrolling...and scrolling...and scrolling...

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

Funny thing is, Barwin's still rising. Was a solid second-rounder, and now considered a fringe first by many. These rankings were updated 3 days ago. So I kept scrolling...and scrolling...and scrolling...

And people wonder why PATSNUTMe spends so much time arguing about his player selections.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

NFL Draft - NFL draft preview and analysis from Pro Football Weekly

I find it interesting that they have a grade scale in their player rankings, and their top ranked player has only a 6.60 grade. If their grading system is at all accurate at the top, then this draft has very few blue chip prospects. Here's their grade chart:

9.0 — A once-in-a-lifetime player (e.g. John Elway, Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor).
8.00-8.99 — Perennial All-Pro (e.g., Bruce Matthews).
7.50-7.99 — Future All-Pro.
7.00-7.49 — Should become a Pro Bowl-caliber player.
6.50-6.99 — Surefire first-rounder who, aside from a quarterback, should contribute as a rookie.
6.00-6.49 — Has a good chance to go in the first round and be a starter by his second season.
5.60-5.99 — A legitimate second-round pick.
5.50-5.59 — Depending on the quality of the draft, player will go in the late second round or the third round.
5.40-5.49 — A third-round pick, taking into account the selections the NFL adds at the end of rounds each year.
5.30-5.39 — A fourth-round pick.
5.21-5.29 — A fourth- or fifth-round pick.
5.20 — A fifth- or sixth-round pick.
5.11-5.19 — A sixth-round pick.
5.10 — A seventh-round pick.
5.01-5.09 — High-priority free agent who could end up being drafted.
4.75-5.00 — Priority free agent who could end up being drafted.
4.50-4.74 — Solid free agents who have an outside chance to make the right NFL team.
4.00-4.49 — A player who could be in an NFL training camp.

I do wonder how they arrive at their rankings, especially when Connor Barwin grades out as a fourth-rounder at 5.37.

That's the scale that the Godfather of all draftniks used. Joel Buschbaum. RIP.
Not sure where he got it from. But, it looks awfully like the Scout's Notebook
grade he used to give players.

A few of my favorite Joelisms.

1. When describing a big OT like Lincoln Kennedy. Harder to circumnavigate than
the globe.

2. Great athlete. Not a great player. Looks like Tarzan. Plays like Jane.

3. A player with a questionable work ethic. He better realize he ain't on
scholarship any more if he wants to make the grade in the NFL.

 

[Seneschal2]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

Joel Buschbaum. RIP.

:youtheman: :rip:

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

And people wonder why PATSNUTMe spends so much time arguing about his player selections.

This is the same place that predicted that Mayo would be DROY- 2 days after the draft. They also graded him as a top 10 pick 2 weeks before the daft.

But he was ranked #68 this time last year. So things are fluid and updates should be checked.

The ranking are what they are. I have been getting their draft guides since 1996 and find Joel and Nolan more reliable than most others. Last year at this time Matt Ryan was the top rated player at 7.00. That grade was shared with Jake Long and Dorsey.

The thing I like about their draft guide is that they do get into the intangibles more than others.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

That's the scale that the Godfather of all draftniks used. Joel Buschbaum. RIP.
Not sure where he got it from. But, it looks awfully like the Scout's Notebook
grade he used to give players.

A few of my favorite Joelisms.

1. When describing a big OT like Lincoln Kennedy. Harder to circumnavigate than
the globe.

2. Great athlete. Not a great player. Looks like Tarzan. Plays like Jane.

3. A player with a questionable work ethic. He better realize he ain't on
scholarship any more if he wants to make the grade in the NFL.

Exactly what I was talking about. In Patriot Reign, BB insists the Patriots scouts have those same type of conversations about players.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

This is the same place that predicted that Mayo would be DROY- 2 days after the draft. They also graded him as a top 10 pick 2 weeks before the daft.

But he was ranked #68 this time last year. So things are fluid and updates should be checked.

The ranking are what they are. I have been getting their draft guides since 1996 and find Joel and Nolan more reliable than most others. Last year at this time Matt Ryan was the top rated player at 7.00. That grade was shared with Jake Long and Dorsey.

The thing I like about their draft guide is that they do get into the intangibles more than others.

 

[Seneschal2]

Top 500 - 4/6/09

USA Today's Top 500 interactive database courtesy of NFL Draft Scout:

USATODAY.com - feature

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Top 500 - 4/6/09

USA Today's Top 500 interactive database courtesy of NFL Draft Scout:

USATODAY.com - feature

I can't get the list to come up. Is ther any difference between this and the one Nfl draft scout provided for CBS Sportsline?

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Top 500 - 4/6/09

I can't get the list to come up. Is ther any difference between this and the one Nfl draft scout provided for CBS Sportsline?

You probably need FLASH running on your computer.

Not sure if the rankings are the same but the interface on this USA Today site is fantastic; it just has rankings, comments (when the player is selected) and ht, wt, 40 time, though, not all the quickness numbers.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Re: Top 500 - 4/6/09

You probably need FLASH running on your computer.

Not sure if the rankings are the same but the interface on this USA Today site is fantastic; it just has rankings, comments (when the player is selected) and ht, wt, 40 time, though, not all the quickness numbers.

Thanks. Some days I need more than a "flash".

Tell me if they have Barwin ranked #1 yet.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Top 500 - 4/6/09

Thanks. Some days I need more than a "flash".

Tell me if they have Barwin ranked #1 yet.

LOL, 4th behind Curry, Cushing and Matthews at OLB. I'm sure they'll get it corrected soon . . .

 

[jmt57]

nfl.com "hot 100" by Gil Brandt

 

[mgteich]

Re: 3/17/09 Top 150...

I just reviewed the April 9th update. Connor Barwin is listed a solid 3rd rounder. Many see Barwin as a player without a position, although there is much interest for hime as 2nd round TE (including from the patriots).

This is the same place that predicted that Mayo would be DROY- 2 days after the draft. They also graded him as a top 10 pick 2 weeks before the daft.

But he was ranked #68 this time last year. So things are fluid and updates should be checked.

The ranking are what they are. I have been getting their draft guides since 1996 and find Joel and Nolan more reliable than most others. Last year at this time Matt Ryan was the top rated player at 7.00. That grade was shared with Jake Long and Dorsey.

The thing I like about their draft guide is that they do get into the intangibles more than others.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Top 500 - 4/6/09

I can't get the list to come up. Is ther any difference between this and the one Nfl draft scout provided for CBS Sportsline?

FWIW, I checked Connor Barwin's ranking - sorry, couldn't help it - on both sites, and both have him at #31 overall. Will Beatty is #43 in both, Darius Butler is #25 in both and Larry English is #40 in both. Also, all 4 players had the same measurables on both sites.

I'm glad that those responsible at NFLDraftScout for sending their data to CBS & USAToday have been thus far consistent with their updates. It pisses me off when sites such as PFW & Scout.com have different rankings depending on the format (online, print, PDF) or website, some of which are off by almost 2 rounds.