Too Bad Brady Can't Throw the Bomb

[upstater1]

This is as far off base as I have ever read. TB is a very good QB, but he cannot hold a candle to the legendary names you mention. TB is great when he needs 3 points or less, 4 or more? Not so much.

What the hell does that mean? He can't get a touchdown? you're an idiot.

How many times last year did Brady throw a perfect long ball only to watch his receivers mangle it? I saw Jabar Gaffney look like a freakin' bobble head doll trying to catch the ball.

You must not be a Patriot fan not to realize how great of a QB Brady is. This year you will learn because coming up is Brady's best season of his career.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Tom throws some damn pretty deep balls here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftC8UjZaKFY

Like I said. I'm not worried about Tom's deep ball next year.

Like I said, he's never had a deep receiver with the talent of RANDY MOSS . The videos a little clunky, but you get the idea. He not what you call open on many of those plays. Stallworth ain't no sloch either.

 

[patfanken]

I can do that. And I will.

I suspect Moss and Stallworth are able to make adjustments to "come back" to Brady's passes. This makes them the perfect compliment.

I would ask that you watch Moss and Stallworth as they stop on their routes to catch an under thrown pass.

that's a great point. Throughout his career, Brady has been forced to throw only to guys who are "open"....even Branch. Now he has 2 guys who are know to "go get the ball" even when they are covered fairly well. For example I think about the 3 throws to Steve Smith against Ty Poole in the 2003 superbowl. I thought Poole had very good coverage on Smith, yet each time they both went up, Smith came down with the ball.

Now Brady has a couple of guys he can throw to even when they are "covered". I'm sure that will take some getting used to.

 

[sebman2112]

Brady can throw it deep (he won the long ball comp at the NFL skills challenge back in either 2002 or 2003.)

Now, I would say he's had a hard time consistantly connecting with WR's on long passes, but some of that has been the WR's. Some of his deep passes have been right on target but some of the burner type WR's NE has had during Tom's career haven't been very sure handed.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Man, not the "Brady can't throw deep" myth revisited.

 

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

Now, I would say he's had a hard time consistantly connecting with WR's on long passes, but some of that had been the WR's.

Right, but at the same time, what QB consistently connects on bombs? Obviously, they're by nature low percentage completions, and I'd wager Brady's as good as any QB in the league with the deep ball.

 

[sebman2112]

Right, but at the same time, what QB consistently connects on bombs? Obviously, they're by nature low percentage completions, and I'd wager Brady's as good as any QB in the league with the deep ball.

As I went on to say, I think some of the problem has been the receivers he's throwing to, not the man throwing the pass. You are correct, you're going to get some incompletions when you go deep no matter who the QB is. I think a lot it is timing, and once you get the timing down the receiver has to catch the ball.

 

[Flying Fungi]

As I went on to say, I think some of the problem has been the receivers he's throwing to, not the man throwing the pass. You are correct, you're going to get some incompletions when you go deep no matter who the QB is. I think a lot it is timing, and once you get the timing down the receiver has to catch the ball.

take it a little further

defenses cheated in light of the perceived weakness of our receiver corps--long balls are deep drops to set up, requiring the OL provide greater protection against defenses that were stacking the box and/or sending a rusher...a little harder to throw 40+ accurately without the convenience of time and a set foot, but even still, Brady managed...

 

[Dragda]

bradys weakness isnt the deep ball its the 15 yd out pass.

That's not true at all.

He can't hit the crossing routes over the middle very well. In fact we seldom use them because they just aren't his game.

He's fine in his ball placement on the out.

 

[Flying Fungi]

Brady's weakness is the drop-kick.

Good thing Flutie's on the shadow roster...

 

[desi-patsfan]

I just dont see why Brady cant run 50 yard TD's like Vince Young. I hope Matt plays more this year.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

now your jsut being crazy. Brady has good arm strength..his long accuracy is spotty sometimes but his arm strenght is not.

Right. He has sometimes thrown the long sideline GO pass out of bounds. He is not perfect.

 

[Alk]

Why do some people get so bent out of shape when someone says Brady is only average at the deep pass? Is it that hard to acknowledge that Brady isn't perfect? I happen to think Brady is pretty average at deep throws too. That doesn't mean I think he sucks. It means that I realize that EVERY NFL qb has a weakness and this is Brady's. I can't remember the last time I saw Brady hit a receiver in stride. I think it might have been when he hit Bethel against the Titans a few years ago. Like I have said before, if this is Brady's weakness then that's just fine with me because IMO it's the most overrated aspect of a passing game. I would rather have a qb that can hit his receivers in the intermediate routes and let them make plays than take low percentage bombs.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Why do some people get so bent out of shape when someone says Brady is only average at the deep pass? Is it that hard to acknowledge that Brady isn't perfect? I happen to think Brady is pretty average at deep throws too. That doesn't mean I think he sucks. It means that I realize that EVERY NFL qb has a weakness and this is Brady's. I can't remember the last time I saw Brady hit a receiver in stride. I think it might have been when he hit Bethel against the Titans a few years ago. Like I have said before, if this is Brady's weakness then that's just fine with me because IMO it's the most overrated aspect of a passing game. I would rather have a qb that can hit his receivers in the intermediate routes and let them make plays than take low percentage bombs.

He actually hit Caldwell in stride in the 3rd quarter of the -TENNESSEE GAME- (week 17). A beauty of a pass that went 62 yards.

Other than that, I prett much agree with much of what you said.

 

[ClevTrev]

Choice thread! Just when the major hole from last season is filled admirably, we get some who turn lemonade back into lemons.

Let's find something else to worry about in this off-season of riches, because we really don't deserve it. Anything related to the Patriots should be hard and concern ridden . . .

The freakin' sky is falling . . .
The freakin' sky is falling . . .
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[jcdavey]

In his first few NFL years, Brady couldn't throw deep well at all. He's improved in recent years, up to average among NFL starters, I'd say. If he were great at throwing bombs, our new WRs would be even more valuable. I don't think DBs are going to say "It's only Brady throwing, so I won't cover Moss deep" or anything, but this has always been Brady's biggest weakness, in my opinion.

i charted brady/manning i believe 2005 season and brady actually had more bombs than peyton

i think people just assume he's not good throwing deep, but the toss in atlanta and especially the way he burned pitt in the playoffs, he's got a pretty good bomb when he's got time

 

[Alk]

Choice thread! Just when the major hole from last season is filled admirably, we get some who turn lemonade back into lemons.

Let's find something else to worry about in this off-season of riches, because we really don't deserve it. Anything related to the Patriots should be hard and concern ridden . . .

The freakin' sky is falling . . .
The freakin' sky is falling . . .
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.
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The only people turning anything into lemons is the people that get in a big huff because someone questions one aspect of Brady's game. NOBODY here is saying this is a big deal. Moss can do alot more than run fly patterns for an entire game and I think that's what we're going to see.

 

[upstater1]

Alk, I get bent out of shape because he hasn't had wide receivers to throw to, and when he has (Branch) he connected on more bombs with him than at any point in his career. The year that Branch played all games, Brady led the league in YPC.

The number one factor in throwing long is having a receiver that can adjust and get his body in position to make the catch. I paid close attention last year and repeatedly I saw Patriot receivers misjudge, not have the speed, screw up long pass plays. Meanwhile, the blame went onto Brady. He's off they'd say.

Here's the truth about long pass plays: it's all about wide receivers, not the QBs. If you've ever seen a QB competition in which the players are throwing under no pressure, with no pads on, etc., you know that it's very difficult to throw the ball accurately way down field and to a spot. Manning can't do it regularly, nor could Marino. Those completions are all about wide receivers tracking the ball down like frisbee dogs.

 

[BAM!]

Well I posted this in another thread but felt it was appropriate for this thread as well.

With Randy, Brady isn't always going to have to throw it deep to him. Randy is just as good with the quick out that Brady loves to throw as well. So if the corner and safety play off of Moss, Brady's recognition skills are remarkable, he will see this, recognize it, and adjust the play to a quick out with him if needed.

I know this was when he was a viking and probably had a little more speed then but still, if reports of 4.29-40 are true, I can still see him doing the things that you see in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eahg_wgrmnw&mode=related&search=

 

[ClevTrev]

The only people turning anything into lemons is the people that get in a big huff because someone questions one aspect of Brady's game. NOBODY here is saying this is a big deal. Moss can do alot more than run fly patterns for an entire game and I think that's what we're going to see.

No huff, Alk. It's just the pattern that appears whenever one problem seems to be resolved, another complementary problem is raised.

To assume that Brady can't throw the deep ball, or is "average" at throwing the deep ball, doesn't take into account his history and the WRs with whom he has played.

A good QB who is capable of throwing for distance and accuracy needs good receivers who can adjust to the ball and put themselves in position to make the catch. Brady has not played with this type of receiver consistently through his career. For awhile, he had Troy as that type of receiver. For awhile he had Deion. Neither had pure breakaway speed that could stretch the field and both were vulnerable to the double cover.

Brady now has Stallworth and Moss, two very different receivers who can adjust to the ball and stretch the field. This is going to be very different for Brady as well, as upstater1 so accurately states that it's "all about wide receivers tracking the ball down like frisbee dogs."

Let's give Tommy a chance to show his long-ball skills before we confirm a perceived problem on this board.