Tomlin Benches 1st Round Draft Pick, LB Jarvis Jones

[Rob0729]

I guess since the Pats are playing the Steelers this weekend, this is relevant. Mike Tomlin has announced that he is benching Jarvis Jones for underachieving Jason Worilds.

Many people said that Jones was a perfect fit for the Steelers' defense (may end up being the case) and would make an immediate impact and a strong candidate for DROY (not going to happen). Further proof that even sure thing immediate impact guys are far from a sure thing in the NFL.

While the Steelers might not have to play with reserves on the offensive line, Tomlin did make one demotion of note. Rookie first-round pick Jarvis Jones, who was elevated to starting status after the first game, is now second on the depth chart at right outside linebacker behind Jason Worilds, who opened the season as the starter.

“He’s just not doing enough detail work right now and Jason Worilds is,” Tomlin said today at his weekly news conference. “That’s the reality of it. There is more detail in Worilds’ work right now than Jarvis.”

Tomlin meets with media in wake of Steelers' fifth loss of 2013 - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

 

[Ozymandias]

re: Tomlin Benches 1st Round Draft Pick, LB Jarvis Jones

He's been awful so far this season. He looked lost out there and clearly wasn't ready to be a starter.

 

[everlong]

re: Tomlin Benches 1st Round Draft Pick, LB Jarvis Jones

For those who have argued how the Steelers always hit on their draft picks 2008 forward they don't have any impact players.


Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Semi_OT: Tomlin Benches Jarvis Jones

For those who have argued how the Steelers always hit on their draft picks 2008 forward they don't have any impact players.


Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time Draft History - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, and Maurkice Pouncey are all impact players. Emmanuel Sanders would start for a lot of teams, including the Pats. I also really like their 2013 draft - despite this demotion, Jones is a very good prospect, Bell and Wheaton have both flashed a good amount of potential, Shamarko Thomas is a pretty good prospect.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Semi_OT: Tomlin Benches Jarvis Jones

Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, and Maurkice Pouncey are all impact players. Emmanuel Sanders would start for a lot of teams, including the Pats. I also really like their 2013 draft - despite this demotion, Jones is a very good prospect, Bell and Wheaton have both flashed a good amount of potential, Shamarko Thomas is a pretty good prospect.

I'm not sure how the 2013 class could be looked at positively at this point.
Jones is benched, Bell averages 3.3 a carry and Wheaton has caught only 3 passes. That is failing more than 'flashing'.
It does not mean they won't work out, but at the point where liking the guy when he was picked turns into being a good pick based on it actually happening on the field, this class has been a disappointment to say the least.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Semi_OT: Tomlin Benches Jarvis Jones

I'm not sure how the 2013 class could be looked at positively at this point.
Jones is benched, Bell averages 3.3 a carry and Wheaton has caught only 3 passes. That is failing more than 'flashing'.
It does not mean they won't work out, but at the point where liking the guy when he was picked turns into being a good pick based on it actually happening on the field, this class has been a disappointment to say the least.

Hence why I said that I liked their potential, and not their current production. Bell is averaging 3.3 YPC behind probably the worst line in the league, and Wheaton has been injured. If either one of them was a Patriot, you'd be falling all over yourself making excuses for them and pointing out (rightly) that their production so far is not indicative of their ability because they're stuck in a crap situation on a crap team.

They're obviously not producing a ton right now--hardly anyone on that team is--but based on what little they've shown I think that they have a very good shot to become good players. Bell in particular.

 

[Ring 6]

Hence why I said that I liked their potential, and not their current production. Bell is averaging 3.3 YPC behind probably the worst line in the league, and Wheaton has been injured. If either one of them was a Patriot, you'd be falling all over yourself making excuses for them and pointing out (rightly) that their production so far is not indicative of their ability because they're stuck in a crap situation on a crap team.

They're obviously not producing a ton right now--hardly anyone on that team is--but based on what little they've shown I think that they have a very good shot to become good players. Bell in particular.

Why can you never just have a discussion without making something up? Which patriot rookies am I falling all over? You know out of the ones that are doing better than the ones you say I would be? It's a really weak way to communicate. Making something up on an attempt to diminish me only illustrates the weakness of your argument.

The point being that what each of those players had done is so far proving your belief it's a good draft wrong and repeating that so far what has happened on the field conflicts with your opinion does not make your opinion correct.
Your argument that based on them showing bad play they have a very good shot at being good players is just a terrible argument.

 

[Ring 6]

Hence why I said that I liked their potential, and not their current production. Bell is averaging 3.3 YPC behind probably the worst line in the league, and Wheaton has been injured. If either one of them was a Patriot, you'd be falling all over yourself making excuses for them and pointing out (rightly) that their production so far is not indicative of their ability because they're stuck in a crap situation on a crap team.

They're obviously not producing a ton right now--hardly anyone on that team is--but based on what little they've shown I think that they have a very good shot to become good players. Bell in particular.

U didn't say you like their potential you said you liked their draft class.

 

[I am party]

I seriously opened this thread expecting to see a picture of Tomlin bench pressing someone.

 

[Joker]

You have a bright future in the fields of science fiction, fantasy, or gladiator movies....

 

[Tunescribe]

I seriously opened this thread expecting to see a picture of Tomlin bench pressing someone.

I had the same thought: "Damn, Tomlin is one buff coach!"

 

[nabwong]

Chris Rainey could have been a stud... a pity. Maybe he could go to the Kenbrell Thompkins reform center and replace Washington as our KR.

 

[SteelersCanada]

He's developing. Adapting to LeBeau's scheme isn't easy and it could be why he's been struggling. Inconsistent play and relying too heavily on his motor, not his pass rushing skills, are why this happened.

It's really that simple, honestly.

 

[everlong]

Re: Semi_OT: Tomlin Benches Jarvis Jones

Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, and Maurkice Pouncey are all impact players. Emmanuel Sanders would start for a lot of teams, including the Pats. I also really like their 2013 draft - despite this demotion, Jones is a very good prospect, Bell and Wheaton have both flashed a good amount of potential, Shamarko Thomas is a pretty good prospect.

Mike Wallace is a Dolphin, Brown is nice player but not an impact player and Pouncy is a an above average player but not what I expected him to be coming out.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He's developing. Adapting to LeBeau's scheme isn't easy and it could be why he's been struggling. Inconsistent play and relying too heavily on his motor, not his pass rushing skills, are why this happened.

It's really that simple, honestly.

Welcome, you have just entered a world where any draft pick that hasn't made All Pro by their fifth game is a bust.

 

[SteelersCanada]

Welcome, you have just entered a world where any draft pick that hasn't made All Pro by their fifth game is a bust.

Preachin' to the choir man. People were calling DeCastro a bust earlier this season too, then he went on to be the 4th best guard in the NFL (second in the AFC) by PFF and he's started 10 games in the NFL to this point.

I guess the overreaction to picks is a universal fan thing.

 

[Deus Irae]

Preachin' to the choir man. People were calling DeCastro a bust earlier this season too, then he went on to be the 4th best guard in the NFL (second in the AFC) by PFF and he's started 10 games in the NFL to this point.

I guess the overreaction to picks is a universal fan thing.

Just a few things:

1. PFF is garbage
   
2. Jones is starting out all-too-much like Curry, where he was an NFL ready LB who wasn't actually an NFL ready LB. There's obviously still time, but we're watching the same thing with Hightower (albeit to a lesser degree), so we can see the signs.
   
3. PFF is garbage
   
4. The Steelers have had some terrible luck lately, especially with O-line injuries, but they've also been making some bad draft picks, which is hurting them because that's almost the only way they build that team. As a fan, you may be forced to watch a rebuild that takes years, because they may have waited too long with regards to replenishing the defense.
   
5. PFF is garbage

 

[Huckleberry1]

Preachin' to the choir man. People were calling DeCastro a bust earlier this season too, then he went on to be the 4th best guard in the NFL (second in the AFC) by PFF and he's started 10 games in the NFL to this point.

I guess the overreaction to picks is a universal fan thing.

Unfortunately an endorsement by PFF is the same thing as calling a player a bust, they are complete morons. On the other hand I really liked DeCastro as a prospect and think he will be a great OG for the Steelers. However I was also really glad they took him as it opened the door for the patriots to take Hightower, and I still think that had DeCastro been gone the Steelers would have taken Hightower, who was my favorite player in that draft.

 

[SteelersCanada]

Just a few things:

1. PFF is garbage
   
2. Jones is starting out all-too-much like Curry, where he was an NFL ready LB who wasn't actually an NFL ready LB. There's obviously still time, but we're watching the same thing with Hightower, so we can see the signs.
   
3. PFF is garbage
   
4. The Steelers have had some terrible luck lately, especially with O-line injuries, but they've also been making some bad draft picks, which is hurting them because that's almost the only way they build that team. As a fan, you may be forced to watch a rebuild that takes years, because they may have waited too long with regards to replenishing the defense.
   
5. PFF is garbage

I think the Curry comparisons are premature. It's frustrating because no one on the defense save for Woodley is getting any kind of consistent pressure. The secondary is having issues which makes the short passing game extremely effective, thereby negating any complex blitz that LeBeau throws at the offense. When you can pitch to a receiver two yards in front of the line and have it turn into a 20 yard gain, it doesn't give any wiggle room for any pressure at all. That, and the inability to stop the run is infuriating.

He's just making a lot of rookie mistakes right now. Losing containment on Pryor was a big one.

While I agree that PFF has its flaws, virtually every talking-head talking about DeCastro is saying the same thing: he's playing at an All Pro level right now. Fernando Velasco has arguably outplayed Pouncey to this point, and the Beachum/Gilbert Tackle combination seems to be working. Shutting down Suggs and Dumervil isn't easy but they did. Effectively I might add.

Gilbert isn't a LT, but he might just be a RT. Mike Adams can't block his way out of a paper bag and I fear he's already done in the NFL as a starting Tackle. That might be premature, but he's been a whipping boy thus far.

You're absolutely right - the picks in recent years haven't been great. I do have a ton of confidence in JJ and this staff to turn it around. Lawrence Timmons and Woodley took some time to develop as well. Jones needs to settle down and rely less on his motor to get around LTs. He can't simply use his speed and athletic ability to get around Tackles at this level. It's just a lesson he's learning the hard way right now.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think the Curry comparisons are premature. It's frustrating because no one on the defense save for Woodley is getting any kind of consistent pressure. The secondary is having issues which makes the short passing game extremely effective, thereby negating any complex blitz that LeBeau throws at the offense. When you can pitch to a receiver two yards in front of the line and have it turn into a 20 yard gain, it doesn't give any wiggle room for any pressure at all. That, and the inability to stop the run is infuriating.

Like Curry and Hightower, Jones was thought to be among the most NFL ready of players, only to show that he wasn't really ready for the NFL, at least in the sense of how the predictors meant it. Now, Curry's struggles were far worse than Hightower's have been, as Hightower's issue is now more a 'level of NFL play' issue than a 'not actually NFL caliber' issue, and Jones may well fall into that category for his first year or two, but the same hype, and the same signs, are there.

All three are different players, and all three have different issues, but I'm just talking about the similarities and signs here, as something to pay attention to moving forward. It's not the kiss of death or anything, but it's not a good sign when an "NFL ready" player isn't NFL ready.



Oh, yeah.... and PFF is garbage.