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Tom Brady Was the Most-Hit QB in the League, from 2006-2007

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A lie, you just made that up, it's pretty funny how loosely you just pull stuff out of your arse here.

Do the math (if you can). Look at how many pass/run plays we ran, then see how many it says we passed out of shot gun in the article. We overwhelmingly passed out of shot gun, and we didn't run as much as you like to think out of shot gun. It's an easy key for the opposing defense to just pass rush.

You "clearly" don't like to delve into topics which go against your worldview. You do the same thing you accuse others of in getting into ad hominem or dismissing the validity of stats. You've done the same lame shtick here for years, the moment people disagree with you, you act like a petulant little CHILD with the insults.

Considering all the insults you've thrown out in this thread, you are hardly one to be calling ANYONE a petulant little child.

I also suggest that you work on your reading comprehension because what I said and what you made an ass of yourself and assumed I said were two different things. What I said (that a majority of the Pats plays (pass and rush) are run out of the shotgun) was supported by you thread. http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...un-used-more-than-half-snaps-2007-2008-a.html

Next time, read what is said.

The only person who has pulled anything out of his arse in this thread has been you, Maverick. No one else. You just can't deal with that reality. As has been shown by the fact you are STILL dragging this thread on after weeks of being proven wrong by just about every person who has posted in this thread.

And you wonder why I had your ignorant arse on ignore.....
 
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after weeks of being proven wrong

Wrong about what? That Brady was the most hit in the league, with articles to back it up? That the Pats used shot gun over 50% of their plays, with articles to back it up? Meanwhile you have nothing except your self-proclaimed (and often wrong) expert eyes.

About a year ago I was already posting/criticizing how obvious it was that we used shot gun so much, and how much Brady was getting hit. Self-proclaimed experts/morons like yourself were dismissing it, since there weren't any stats for me to bring up, and because you simply weren't seeing it. Now, after I link articles posted by Mike Reiss, Football Insiders, and ESPN proving the Brady hits and the shot gun formations, and now you're dismissing these stats as meaningless, worthless.

Basically, you're going to close your eyes and deny reality no matter what. It's funny how desperate you are to discredit a stat that very-easy-to-understand counts "hits on QB's while throwing". It's obvious no QB is going to get a simple tap from the defender while throwing, but keep going down that path of intellectual masturbation that the stat is ambiguous/meaningless, it's amusing to read.
 
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They didn't use 2 TE formations because Brady got hurt and they only had 2 TEs dressed for the game. After Kyle Brady went down, they didn't have another person to put out there. However, that wouldn't have helped the O-line from getting beaten by the stunts that the Giants were running.

Yes, I had forgotten that. Probably because Kyle Brady was forgettable 2nd half of that year.
 
Yes, I had forgotten that. Probably because Kyle Brady was forgettable 2nd half of that year.

Yeah. I agree with you there, unoriginal. Kyle Brady was pretty bad.
 
Wrong about what? That Brady was the most hit in the league, with articles to back it up? That the Pats used shot gun over 50% of their plays, with articles to back it up? Meanwhile you have nothing except your self-proclaimed (and often wrong) expert eyes.

About a year ago I was already posting/criticizing how obvious it was that we used shot gun so much, and how much Brady was getting hit. Self-proclaimed experts/morons like yourself were dismissing it, since there weren't any stats for me to bring up, and because you simply weren't seeing it. Now, after I link articles posted by Mike Reiss, Football Insiders, and ESPN proving the Brady hits and the shot gun formations, and now you're dismissing these stats as meaningless, worthless.

Basically, you're going to close your eyes and deny reality no matter what. It's funny how desperate you are to discredit a stat that very-easy-to-understand counts "hits on QB's while throwing". It's obvious no QB is going to get a simple tap from the defender while throwing, but keep going down that path of intellectual masturbation that the stat is ambiguous/meaningless, it's amusing to read.
you are right and that pisses them off I know the feeling
 
you are right and that pisses them off I know the feeling

Except he hasn't been right. He based his whole argument on a narrow interpretation of part of an article and that turned out to be only part of an unofficial stat that didn't hold up under scrutiny backed up against claims that even six weeks later have yet to be verified.

He wasn't right, he's just been vocal.
 
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on a narrow interpretation of part of an article

"narrow interpretation"?

Here we go with more desperate mental masturbation from the people in denial.

It is clear what counting "hits on QB while throwing" means. Keep thinking it means that it counts whenever a defender merely taps the QB while in throwing motion, it really helps your argument.
 
"narrow interpretation"?

Here we go with more desperate mental masturbation from the people in denial.

It is clear what counting "hits on QB while throwing" means. Keep thinking it means that it counts whenever a defender merely taps the QB while in throwing motion, it really helps your argument.

Obviously, it's not clear.
 
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Wrong about what? That Brady was the most hit in the league, with articles to back it up? That the Pats used shot gun over 50% of their plays, with articles to back it up? Meanwhile you have nothing except your self-proclaimed (and often wrong) expert eyes.

You've bveen wrong about everything in this thread. From your assertion that Brady is the most hit QB to the idea that the article supports this fallacy of yours. Its been pointed out that the article didn't include sacks or hurries.

Also, SFBs, I never said that the Patriots didn't use the shotgun more than 50% of the time. This is something else you've been wrong about. Every time you open your mouth in a rebuttle to me, you prove that you don't understand what is being said to you. And that includes your assertion that I have EVERY claimed to be an expert. BTW, if you want to boil it down, I'd be willing to bet that people would say you've been wrong signifcantly more than I have. But that is just semantics.


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About a year ago I was already posting/criticizing how obvious it was that we used shot gun so much, and how much Brady was getting hit. Self-proclaimed experts/morons like yourself were dismissing it, since there weren't any stats for me to bring up, and because you simply weren't seeing it. Now, after I link articles posted by Mike Reiss, Football Insiders, and ESPN proving the Brady hits and the shot gun formations, and now you're dismissing these stats as meaningless, worthless.

Yes, You've been erroneously ranting about McDaniels worse than NEM ever did about Weiss. And, more people have told you that you were wrong than people were telling Nem that he was wrong.

The article posted by Mike Reiss only said that the Patriots were using the shotgun more than 50% of the time. It didn't go into how many times he was hit. Again, this is you making things up because you don't actually read what is said. You make assumptions about what is said. Hell, the ESPN article doesn't even describe how they got their numbers. And again, they don't define what a hit is. So, without that perspective, their numbers are worthless.

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Basically, you're going to close your eyes and deny reality no matter what. It's funny how desperate you are to discredit a stat that very-easy-to-understand counts "hits on QB's while throwing". It's obvious no QB is going to get a simple tap from the defender while throwing, but keep going down that path of intellectual masturbation that the stat is ambiguous/meaningless, it's amusing to read.

Maverick, you shouldn't confuse myself with yourself. I don't go around making assinine claims about the offense and point to stats without putting them into perspective. The only person who is doing any intellectual mastuerbation is yourself. With your worthless undefined stats. BTW, for perspective, Brady threw the ball in 2006 and 2007 a total of 1094 times and was sacked 46 times. Palmer had 1095 attempts and was sacked a total of 53 times during the same span. Kurt Warner had 619 attempts while being sacked 34 times. McNair had 673 attempts and was sacked 25 times. It was already established that they didn't define what they considered a hit. But in all honesty, if you are throwing a temper tantrum over Brady getting hit an average of 43 times a season, or less than 3 times a game, then you have serious issues.... Well, I think we all knew that already, but this just confirms it even more.

Again, its about perspective. Something that you don't understand.
 
I think it's safe to say this thread has run its course and I'll be closing it.
 
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