Tom Brady to be a DADDY!

[groundgame]

I hear Tom Brady is in the market for a new CONDOMinium.

 

[PF1996]

Not sure why several posters feel congratulations are in order. When I found out my wife was pregnant with our third child (this news came as my youngest - I worked nights and babysat days - was about to graduate from 1/2 day kindergarten to full day 1st grade), I did not want to hear any congratulations. And I was well aware of the blessings of parenthood when I received this news, something Giselle dating Tom is probably not tapped into. So, please dispense with the "congrats Tom" unless you're sure that he shares your enthusiasm.

I agree with the overall point of your post but I'll address this question to you since you brought it up - what are the "blessings of parenthood"? I'm always amused when people claim this (while of course complaining about the hardships of being parents) so I'm curious to know what these "blessings" are specifically?

 

[PF1996]

It depends on what you mean by condone. Some of them don't forbid it. Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Unitarians, etc. They counsel that marriage is best, but it's not forbidden. The United Church of Christ and the Unitarians especially don't make a big deal out of it.

First, to answer to 1996's posts, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism all permit premarital sex. Yes, you heard right. Premarital is ok in Judaism.

Some links and quotes for you:

http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/sex.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_epis6.htm

Think about this: some churches do not condemn homosexuality. So, how are gays supposed to have marital sex if, in most states, they can't get married? It follows then that these churches don't forbid premarital sex.

From the Episcopal church [note, this is the church that recently confirmed gay bishops, and they have had female bishops for a long time]: "A document commissioned by the House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church (Continuing the Dialogue, published by Forward Movement, Cincinnati, 1995) stated on page 45 that the passages in this Biblical story (SONG OF SONGS )are "in praise of sexual love, celebrating youthful passion, with no reference to marriage.... It affirms that sexual love is in itself good and beneficial." "

Here's just one line from the Presbyterians: "total intimacy should happen in a relationship of total commitment, which marriage is intended to be. We advocate responsible behavior, understood as sexual expression that matches the seriousness and permanence of the relationship."

From the Lutherans: "having casual sexual relations is sinful because this does not proceed from or contribute to respect, intimacy, and care of the other. Promiscuity is inconsistent with our identity as Christians (1 Cor. 6:12-20). Being sexually active in order to be popular or only to gratify sexual desire is morally wrong."

I guess it depends on the degree of intimacy.

Look at this site: http://www.beliefnet.com/features/chastity_chart.html

I doubt you're answering any post of mine considering that I never said anything about any religion prohibiting or not prohibiting premartial sex. My opinion on this matter has NOTHING to do with premarital sex and EVERYTHING to do with having children outside of a committed relationship. One should always strive to give children the best possible home environment - i.e. a home with both biological parents. It is selfish and irresponsible for ANY PERSON to not take the necessary precautions to prevent such a situation. I guess all the "conservatives" on this board who are always ranting and raving about the importance of "two parents in the home" haven't been posting on this thread. Or perhaps, like the typical conservative, their standards are selectively applied. Rant and rave about hip hop culture when it's a black person but offer congrats when it's Tom Brady.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I agree with the overall point of your post but I'll address this question to you since you brought it up - what are the "blessings of parenthood"? I'm always amused when people claim this (while of course complaining about the hardships of being parents) so I'm curious to know what these "blessings" are specifically?

LOL, PF... well, we are certainly off-topic, but one study is worth noting (and no, I do not have cites for it, but I bet googling for 15 minutes would find it for you...)

There was a survey of parents of adult children a few years ago, and at every level of general attainment and satisfaction with life (i.e., not just the losers or people with issues with their kids,) when asked if they would do it again knowing what went into it, the majority said they would not.

So now we know why God invented linear time -- to make us do things we would not do, if we knew what we were getting into!

PFnV

PS, about the happy family - hey, we do not know how the prospective parents feel, to be serious for a moment about it. As has been pointed out, it's not like either is lacking in the resources to take care of a child, and to assume anything about maturity level or "motive" without really knowing either of them would be silly. Families come in all shapes and sizes... and I'm assuming from the public nature of Moynahan's announcement, she's planning to carry the baby to term. So best wishes to all involved, although it is still funny to me to rag on Brady for what appears not to have been a "mistake-free outing." This is just based on the nature of celebrity, of course... if I had a friend in the same situation, I'd be circumspect about it. But celebrities are a little different.

 

[Drewwho]

What is bizarre is how her publicist broke the story. If she/they wanted to do it right, they would have published a joint statement saying they were going to raise the baby together and are friends.

But this screams that Bridget is still digging into Tom. His soon after breakup, he then hooked up with Gisele has to be tough to get over - that would go for any girl but especially for the girl carrying your baby.

I have to believe Brady didn't know about the baby until he was with Gisele for at least a month or so. If he knew sooner, he might be marrying Bridget this offseaon. Life is all about timing and unfortunately, Bridget's wasn't so great.

Also, most people believe this was a trap - I am one of them. Sorry, but how are you with a guy for 3 years and just when you are in the break up mode of your relationship you get pregnant - is just screams of desperation for her to continue the relationship and finally get this guy to marry her. It is called Birth CONTROL after all and she most likely had the control. While in a 3 year relationship, how many guys do you know still wear condoms??? Sure this is Tom's own fault for being stupid but really how stupid was he if they had a set routine for Birth Control.

In the end, I am sure Tom will be supportive and active in his child's life, but it is sad nonetheless! However, it seems Gisele and Tom are going strong and are very happily walking around Paris - they both apparently have known for a month or so. I see him happy with Gisele and who knows maybe baby number 2 will be on the way!

I know it sounds harsh, but she planned this - the timing just adds up!

 

[kolbitr]

I doubt you're answering any post of mine considering that I never said anything about any religion prohibiting or not prohibiting premartial sex. My opinion on this matter has NOTHING to do with premarital sex and EVERYTHING to do with having children outside of a committed relationship. One should always strive to give children the best possible home environment - i.e. a home with both biological parents. It is selfish and irresponsible for ANY PERSON to not take the necessary precautions to prevent such a situation. I guess all the "conservatives" on this board who are always ranting and raving about the importance of "two parents in the home" haven't been posting on this thread. Or perhaps, like the typical conservative, their standards are selectively applied. Rant and rave about hip hop culture when it's a black person but offer congrats when it's Tom Brady.

You are now veering into the land of the maniac. I can understand that you enjoy getting into message-board pissing contests, but this effort of yours to tar the guy with absolutely no knowledge of any aspect of the situation is deeply and offensively obtuse.

You do not know that they were not using protection--in fact, multiple years of babyless coupling suggests just the opposite. They were in a committed relationship--and the coincidental timing of her conception indicates either a) bad fortune for them, b) a connection between the conception and the breakup, or c) a connection between an impending breakup and the conception. These last two are different. But we don't know, and we may never know--since it's really none of our business.

Noone has chosen to bash hip hop artists, or even athletes (which would be a more appropriate analogy); but to suggest that the same "conservatives" who were chuckling and chastising the Shawn Kemps of the world are now verbally gladhanding the Patriots' QB is ludicrous.

We know you have adopted an anti-Brady stance, possibly for controversial effect. You are on record as preferring Bulger, among others. This is simply another chance for you to do a dance about how Brady dragged down the team, and has for years. Your football arguments were more compelling than your family planning arguments. Why don't we return to them?

 

[upstater1]

I doubt you're answering any post of mine considering that I never said anything about any religion prohibiting or not prohibiting premartial sex. My opinion on this matter has NOTHING to do with premarital sex and EVERYTHING to do with having children outside of a committed relationship. One should always strive to give children the best possible home environment - i.e. a home with both biological parents. It is selfish and irresponsible for ANY PERSON to not take the necessary precautions to prevent such a situation. I guess all the "conservatives" on this board who are always ranting and raving about the importance of "two parents in the home" haven't been posting on this thread. Or perhaps, like the typical conservative, their standards are selectively applied. Rant and rave about hip hop culture when it's a black person but offer congrats when it's Tom Brady.

Uh, fella, I quoted the person I was responding to. Are you having difficulty reading?

 

[upstater1]

What is bizarre is how her publicist broke the story. If she/they wanted to do it right, they would have published a joint statement saying they were going to raise the baby together and are friends.

But this screams that Bridget is still digging into Tom. His soon after breakup, he then hooked up with Gisele has to be tough to get over - that would go for any girl but especially for the girl carrying your baby.

I have to believe Brady didn't know about the baby until he was with Gisele for at least a month or so. If he knew sooner, he might be marrying Bridget this offseaon. Life is all about timing and unfortunately, Bridget's wasn't so great.

Also, most people believe this was a trap - I am one of them. Sorry, but how are you with a guy for 3 years and just when you are in the break up mode of your relationship you get pregnant - is just screams of desperation for her to continue the relationship and finally get this guy to marry her. It is called Birth CONTROL after all and she most likely had the control. While in a 3 year relationship, how many guys do you know still wear condoms??? Sure this is Tom's own fault for being stupid but really how stupid was he if they had a set routine for Birth Control.

In the end, I am sure Tom will be supportive and active in his child's life, but it is sad nonetheless! However, it seems Gisele and Tom are going strong and are very happily walking around Paris - they both apparently have known for a month or so. I see him happy with Gisele and who knows maybe baby number 2 will be on the way!

I know it sounds harsh, but she planned this - the timing just adds up!

Too much speculation! So many things happen in relationships. I mean, how do you know this is the first time she's gotten pregnant??! I'm not trying to speculate more, I'm just offering up one possibility that would color things differently.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

With fans like us it continues to amaze me when any of these players bother to give us a hometown discount. New England fans generally find it far more satisfying to be a smug and hyper-judgemental and intellectually superior fan base as opposed to merely loyal and respectful and greatful we even have a team to root for, let alone one this successful. And we wonder why players would just as soon leave to GET PAID rather than hanging around here and appreciating all the loyalty we offer to those who do remain with us.

I would think Tom has earned as much circumspect treatment of his private life as PFnV suggests he would give any friend, considering it's what he's done for us as fans of this franchise that was a league laughingstock for how many years that created his celebrity.

We discussed this just last week but I guess it bears repeating - players and their friends and family visit these sites.

 

[PF1996]

At least he didn't marry her and then have an affair, and then brought home a baby from the woman he had the affair with. Don't talk to me about classless, buddy. I'm living it. My husband is not famous, but he is lower than classless for what he did to me. I don't care about what's going on in Brady's life, and neither you or I have any right to judge.

"He who is without sin cast the first stone", since you want to bring religion into this. Jesus once said that. Are you so pure and self rightous that you have the right to judge the world?
What this shows me is that the guy is human just like the rest of us. He has flaws just like the rest of us. He and Bridget had problems in their relationship just like most couples. And none of us have any right to pass judgement.

Well, I wasn't talking to YOU about 'classless', I was making the point that Brady actions are classless. Don't you think that you should keep the fact that you're stupid enough to continue living with a man who cheated on you and got another woman pregnant, hidden from as many people as possible?? Weird - you seem almost boastful about the fact. Oh well - different people, different standards.

Claiming that someone doesn't have a "right to judge" is akin to claiming someone doesn't have a right to think. I "judge" because I can - it really has nothing to do with being "pure and self-righteous". By the way, principles derived from organized cults are only relevant to adherents to that cult.

Hmmm...so Brady needed to act irresponsibily for you to know that he's human and has flaws? Guess you didn't see the pick he threw on the last pass in the 2006 AFCCG

 

[Va_Pats_Fan]

http://www.hollyscoop.com/gisele-bundchen/tom-brady-and-gisele-bundchen-heat-things-up_9740.aspx

he's working on #2, the RB

 

[PF1996]

With fans like us it continues to amaze me when any of these players bother to give us a hometown discount. New England fans generally find it far more satisfying to be a smug and hyper-judgemental and intellectually superior fan base as opposed to merely loyal and respectful and greatful we even have a team to root for, let alone one this successful. And we wonder why players would just as soon leave to GET PAID rather than hanging around here and appreciating all the loyalty we offer to those who do remain with us.

I would think Tom has earned as much circumspect treatment of his private life as PFnV suggests he would give any friend, considering it's what he's done for us as fans of this franchise that was a league laughingstock for how many years that created his celebrity.

We discussed this just last week but I guess it bears repeating - players and their friends and family visit these sites.

Perhaps instead of repeating it, you should provide PROOF of it. Not that it matters whether they do visit.

 

[Seymour93]

With fans like us it continues to amaze me when any of these players bother to give us a hometown discount. New England fans generally find it far more satisfying to be a smug and hyper-judgemental and intellectually superior fan base as opposed to merely loyal and respectful and greatful we even have a team to root for, let alone one this successful. And we wonder why players would just as soon leave to GET PAID rather than hanging around here and appreciating all the loyalty we offer to those who do remain with us.

I would think Tom has earned as much circumspect treatment of his private life as PFnV suggests he would give any friend, considering it's what he's done for us as fans of this franchise that was a league laughingstock for how many years that created his celebrity.

We discussed this just last week but I guess it bears repeating - players and their friends and family visit these sites.

Brady's, BB's, even Antwain Spann's private lives are fair game on here, IMO. The 68,000 who go to the Razor every week are the ones who are paying their million dollar contracts after all. As for Brady, if he didn't like the attention that a celebrity gets then he should retire and move to the country. "It is what it is."

 

[Seymour93]

Perhaps instead of repeating it, you should provide PROOF of it. Not that it matters whether they do visit.

Mo is telling the truth. It probably wouldn't be the smartest of ideas to reveal their usernames as they would be liable to harassment by people such as yourself.

 

[PF1996]

Uh, fella, I quoted the person I was responding to. Are you having difficulty reading?

Upstarter - from post 128

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Upstater, this is the second post in which you've claimed some Christian faiths do not prohibit extramarital sex. I certainly don't claim to be a theologist but if this is true it is news to me. Please educate us: exactly which Christian faiths condone extramarital sex?

It depends on what you mean by condone. Some of them don't forbid it. Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Unitarians, etc. They counsel that marriage is best, but it's not forbidden. The United Church of Christ and the Unitarians especially don't make a big deal out of it.

First, to answer to 1996's posts, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism all permit premarital sex. Yes, you heard right. Premarital is ok in Judaism

Somebody certainly has "difficulty reading" but it most certainly isn't me

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Brady's, BB's, even Antwain Spann's private lives are fair game on here, IMO. The 68,000 who go to the Razor every week are the ones who are paying their million dollar contracts after all. As for Brady, if he didn't like the attention that a celebrity gets then he should retire and move to the country. "It is what it is."

LOL the gazillion viewers the networks attract fueled by gambling are the ones paying their million dollar contracts.

And be careful what you wish for.

 

[NEPat]

Well if Brady's family and friends visit this site, let me just tell them not to head over to deadspin.com

 

[Seymour93]

LOL the gazillion viewers the networks attract fueled by gambling are the ones paying their million dollar contracts.

And be careful what you wish for.

Well if it weren't for us, the Pats would be playing in St. Louis now. The players do owe the fans something and vice versa.

I don't plan on becoming famous, knock on wood.

EDIT: I realize what that last line meant now. Brady ain't quitting any time soon. He's too motivated to shut people like PF1996 up.

 

[PF1996]

LOL, PF... well, we are certainly off-topic, but one study is worth noting (and no, I do not have cites for it, but I bet googling for 15 minutes would find it for you...)

There was a survey of parents of adult children a few years ago, and at every level of general attainment and satisfaction with life (i.e., not just the losers or people with issues with their kids,) when asked if they would do it again knowing what went into it, the majority said they would not.

So now we know why God invented linear time -- to make us do things we would not do, if we knew what we were getting into!

PFnV

PS, about the happy family - hey, we do not know how the prospective parents feel, to be serious for a moment about it. As has been pointed out, it's not like either is lacking in the resources to take care of a child, and to assume anything about maturity level or "motive" without really knowing either of them would be silly. Families come in all shapes and sizes... and I'm assuming from the public nature of Moynahan's announcement, she's planning to carry the baby to term. So best wishes to all involved, although it is still funny to me to rag on Brady for what appears not to have been a "mistake-free outing." This is just based on the nature of celebrity, of course... if I had a friend in the same situation, I'd be circumspect about it. But celebrities are a little different.

I'm surprised by that survey - not because I believe in the "blessings of parenthood" but because people are socialised to claim the "blessings of parenthood" even if they do not believe in it.

 

[PF1996]

You are now veering into the land of the maniac. I can understand that you enjoy getting into message-board pissing contests, but this effort of yours to tar the guy with absolutely no knowledge of any aspect of the situation is deeply and offensively obtuse.

Well you have certainly visited the land of the delusional. You know that delusional world where posting an opinion on a messageboard means one "enjoys getting into message-board pissing contests" ; posting an opinion means one is trying to "tar a guy" and a messageboard opinion about Brady is offensive to someone with no personal connection to him. Let me know when you get back to reality

You do not know that they were not using protection--in fact, multiple years of babyless coupling suggests just the opposite. They were in a committed relationship--and the coincidental timing of her conception indicates either a) bad fortune for them, b) a connection between the conception and the breakup, or c) a connection between an impending breakup and the conception. These last two are different. But we don't know, and we may never know--since it's really none of our business.

Considering that the pill has a failure rate of less than 1%, a rate which would be even lower if the pill is used in conjunction with condoms or other birth control devices, it's more likely THAN NOT that the pregnancy was a result of unprotected sex. When did one's ability or right to speculate become dependent on whether what is being speculated about is the speculator's "business"? Must be one of the rules of that delusional world you visit.

Noone has chosen to bash hip hop artists, or even athletes (which would be a more appropriate analogy); but to suggest that the same "conservatives" who were chuckling and chastising the Shawn Kemps of the world are now verbally gladhanding the Patriots' QB is ludicrous.

Hmmm...what ARE they doing to Brady? Very few seem to have any problem with Brady ditching his pregnant girlfriend and then immediately hooking up with another woman. Out of curiousity - would you be happy if your sister (or another female relative) decided to date a man who had a 1 month pregnant ex-girlfriend? Your answer would certainly explain a lot.

We know you have adopted an anti-Brady stance, possibly for controversial effect. You are on record as preferring Bulger, among others. This is simply another chance for you to do a dance about how Brady dragged down the team, and has for years. Your football arguments were more compelling than your family planning arguments. Why don't we return to them?

I never said that Brady has "dragged down the team for years"...I said he cost us the championship this year and was part of the problem in our loss in 2005. The only things I've said about Bulger was that he wouldn't have thrown a pick when a guy was wide open, as Brady did in the AFCCG and that Bulger's career stats are better than Brady in all but two categories. How is this a "preference for Bulger" or an "anti-Brady stance"? It's sad that some of you are too biased and immature to deal maturely with factual information.