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  1. Hercules Rockefeller

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    Lamar Jackson committed a frustration foul that was dumb. The player he collared popped right up and danced around, it wasn't overly violent, just a horse collar by a frustrated dude who didn't end up playing well.

    For committing this 15 yard penalty Lamar is now a scumbag? Worthy of comparison to a guy who killed his pregnant girlfriend, a serial killer, and a guy who beat up his pregnant girlfriend/harmed his young son? That does not track. Such hysterical pearl clutching is unbecoming, good sir Joker.
     
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    I like Lamar Jackson which is difficult because he is a Raven
     
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    @BaconGrundleCandy im gonna go through that draft AV guide that was posted the other day. If you give me access to your grades in a simple format (like two column, player name - grade) then we can see how well they correlate to AV. Then can compare them to any other grades from people on here or media “experts”.
     
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    I mostly agree but defenses have to respect Wilson's threat to run imo.
     
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    Right...just trying to differentiate between a QB who is a serious threat to run versus a QB whose running ability drives the entire offense and game plan, which is like a lot of college offenses.
     
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    Steve Young was 28 years old before he completed even 54% of his passes. It was a different era, he was behind an all-timer so smaller samples, and Tampa was bad when he was there. Lamar will in all likelihood never match the level Young hit at his peak. But Lamar is league MVP at 22. Examples of players like Young, Elway, Tarkenton, Cunningham, Russell Wilson are there not to say that Lamar Jackson is them, but to say that accurate scramblers exist, there is precedent.

    I'm happy as hell that Baltimore lost, I want them to lose again next year. I also am in no rush to declare anyone at 22 years old a finished product. He could get better, he could get worse.
     
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    Maybe, but in my opinion he’s not a running QB. He sure can run, but he’s a much better passer than runner. Wilson may be the best deep ball passer in the league

    But I’ll give you this...he’s the closest thing to a running QB winning the SB
     
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    All in the draft forum bro. Appreciate it. Would love that.

    2012-2018 are listed in the front. 2019 back. Scales included.

    I grade a player twice & get the avg from those scores. Once on player traits (accuracy, route running, footwork/anchor etc) and once using different #'s from the testing. I care abt different #'s for different players. As well as considering landing spot, age & a few other things. Again specific for each player/position. That's abt as much as my opinion as I give. I guess you could argue my pov on how I judge traits but I think you get the point.

    I break the 1st Rd into 3 parts basically. Elite, impact & future (starters). So it's different than most.

    I don't care abt "ranking" players even though the ultimately coming out like that. I'm saying "I like this guy the best, then this guy etc" Trying to get specific as possible on each guy.

    The AV guide will be awesome. As well comparing to others. And the NFL. Where they selected the prospect & again where others had them

    Again thank you.

    B.G.C. 2019 NFL Draft/Patriot-Type Players Thread
     
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    Maybe it’s exciting to some because it’s different. Jackson has moves I’ve never seen in any QB and he is amazing to watch.

    My favorite offense to watch are ones that methodically move down the field with combinations of runs, passes & screens. I’m more into an entire offense rather that one offensive player
     
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    Titans going to the super bowl. Book it.
     
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    The year they won the Super Bowl, Wilson had 539 yards rushing. The next season when they were a Malcolm Butler play from back to back titles, he had 849 yards rushing (6th highest single season output by QB) and 6 TDs. He was definitely a running quarterback who won a Super Bowl.
     
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    Those posters that attempt to “win” discussions have issues
     
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    Yet he’s a much better passer than runner. And his running skills aren’t nearly as valuable as his passing skills

    I’ll give Wilson the running QB that lead his team to a SB, but that’s one out of 53.
     
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    If you really watched Jackson from college to now. And the others you mentioned he as far along if not further than most.

    People just aren't giving the guy credit & were waiting all year for a game like this. Ignoring any context, just blaming Lamer.

    Much further along than Vick or Newton. Look at Watson's stats from year two and Jackson's I posted last night.

    He has a long way to go and absolutely has to improve but he's already made the biggest jump in the most important year for a QB. Broke records many didn't know existed.
    The simple fact that they can reinvent themselves is something most teams can't fathom. You improve in areas on the field. Coaching upgrades. Who knows what they come out looking like next year? Their offense is hardly a finished product much like Jackson.
     
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    Ironical.You scream "racist!!" at everybody that disagrees with you yet YOU are a blatant ageist bigot.You are screaming and stamping your feet about a slight you perceived God knows when and then mock and denigrate my character as YOU perceive it, using schoolyard pejoratives.The underpinning to all this tantrum throwing is your OPINION on the future of Lamar Jackson, a future that has yet to be determined. Lastly, you have a profound perception problem, probably a function of your extreme narcissism. Nowhere at any time did I make a comparison between Lamar's regular season numbers and those of Newton. I clearly indicated the PLAYOFF numbers. Newton's numbers are FACT as are Lamar's so far. You must have some secret super Bacon "eye" that allows you to see the future before it actually occurs. You should buy yourself a plywood booth, put on a red wig and stage makeup, and advertise in Copley Square as "Madame Grundle Predicts". Has to be more lucrative than playing enraged know-it-all on a sports message board.
     
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    No just the losers like you ...
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    "..do da Mark Sandchez...rub rip rop rip rop..do duh Mark Sandchez

    I'm a tough guy ripper and a gansta killer thug

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    "his gangsta thug murder rapper fanbase."
     
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    Glad to see you didn’t try to use the most over-used word on the Internet, “Literally” in this post!

    You gangsta, you!:D
     

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