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Even more true than “Any given Sunday”.Any Given Thursday
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Jamie Collins, maybe?Haven't we been saying this for years now? When have they ever really had fast LBs? Even in the heyday their LBs weren't "fast". Bruschi - great player, not really "speedy". Mayo - tackling machine, not really "speedy". Ninkovich, Phifer, Vrabel - solid defenders, not "speedy". Hightower and McGinest and Ted Johnson and Cox and Spikes - thumpers but not "speedy". I'm trying to recall the best, "speedy" linebacker the Pats have had in the BB era. I'm having a hard time coming up with one.
Jamie Collins, maybe?
What? You’re not a fan of our massive, lumbering, unathletic backer corps that are built like the Power-I is still the personnel grouping that dominates the NFL?Yep.
That DAL D is so fast. Even when the pressure was in Brees' face and he'd dump it out to Kamara they held him to very modest gains.
If there is one thing I really want Bill to do in the offseason is pick up a couple of speedy LBs. They just make so much of a difference vs teams like NO, KC, etc (teams with speed in the backfield).
Mayo and Collins were the "fastest".Haven't we been saying this for years now? When have they ever really had fast LBs? Even in the heyday their LBs weren't "fast". Bruschi - great player, not really "speedy". Mayo - tackling machine, not really "speedy". Ninkovich, Phifer, Vrabel - solid defenders, not "speedy". Hightower and McGinest and Ted Johnson and Cox and Spikes - thumpers but not "speedy". I'm trying to recall the best, "speedy" linebacker the Pats have had in the BB era. I'm having a hard time coming up with one.
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Bill is hoping Levon Kirkland comes out of retirement and can help the run D.What? You’re not a fan of our massive, lumbering, unathletic backer corps that are built like the Power-I is still the personnel grouping that dominates the NFL?
Belichick clearly saw the need. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have drafted Sam. Unfortunately, he and his scouting department badly whiffed on that one and Sam sucked all kinds of ass. The good news is that if we see an offense like the 2000 Ravens this year, we’ll completely shut it down.Mayo and Collins were the "fastest".
Belichick clearly saw the need. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have drafted Sam. Unfortunately, he and his scouting department badly whiffed on that one and Sam sucked all kinds of ass. The good news is that if we see an offense like the 2000 Ravens this year, we’ll completely shut it down.
Yep. Bentley too. Good call. He was a good pick. It’s still a shame that he waited so long to address the need.Bentley was pretty quick and looked good early on. Can't predict a kid is going to get hurt in Week 3.
I think he is hoping Obi gives them something in that area.Belichick clearly saw the need. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have drafted Sam. Unfortunately, he and his scouting department badly whiffed on that one and Sam sucked all kinds of ass. The good news is that if we see an offense like the 2000 Ravens this year, we’ll completely shut it down.
Haven't we been saying this for years now? When have they ever really had fast LBs? Even in the heyday their LBs weren't "fast". Bruschi - great player, not really "speedy". Mayo - tackling machine, not really "speedy". Ninkovich, Phifer, Vrabel - solid defenders, not "speedy". Hightower and McGinest and Ted Johnson and Cox and Spikes - thumpers but not "speedy". I'm trying to recall the best, "speedy" linebacker the Pats have had in the BB era. I'm having a hard time coming up with one.
Man if that kid shows back up and ends up getting cut or something...we badly need him to be good. He seemed to actually have good awareness to go with the speed. Why was he such a late pick?Yep. Bentley too. Good call. He was a good pick. It’s still a shame that he waited so long to address the need.
Bentley was pretty quick and looked good early on. Can't predict a kid is going to get hurt in Week 3.
Yep. Bentley too. Good call. He was a good pick. It’s still a shame that he waited so long to address the need.
Bentley lost 10 lbs which helped his speed and showed promise but he wasn't a pure sideline-to-sideline LB.
...and these measurables are from his pro day in which he is listed at 246. I think hes closer to that than 265. Ive seen him next to Hightower and High is much bigger.Reports I read from other scouts had Bentley listed as a 4.67 guy, but Draft Scout has him at 4.75. Still, if he dropped 10 pounds and worked on that first step (which looked fine to me on tape), then it's not unreasonable to expect that he's relatively in line with Leonard or Vander Esch. I'm hopeful that he'll continue to improve in space, but regardless, he seems like a fine ILB for the team to develop.
40 Yrd Dash: 4.75
20 Yrd Dash: 2.69
10 Yrd Dash: 1.66
Mayo played pretty rigidly within the scheme, but he was one of the fastest LB in the entire NFL. I know we didn't get to see him unleashed very frequently, and he wasn't a world beater in coverage, but his 10 yard split was absolutely insane for a guy that big.
Jerod Mayo:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.54
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
Von Miller:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.53
20 Yrd Dash: 2.64
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
Luke Kuechly:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.58
20 Yrd Dash: 2.63
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57
Bobby Wagner (pro day; add .05 or .1 seconds) :
40 Yrd Dash: 4.46
20 Yrd Dash: 2.64
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57
Vander Esch:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.65
20 Yrd Dash: 2.69
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56
Roquan Smith:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.51
20 Yrd Dash: 2.63
10 Yrd Dash: 1.58
Tremaine Edmunds:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.54
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60
Oh, and the favorite for the rookie DPOY of the year? Not even that "fast."
Darius Leonard:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.70
20 Yrd Dash: 2.77
10 Yrd Dash: 1.69
A lot of it is scheme. Belichick may want to consider the need to bring in some speed and size in future drafts. I was a big fan of Genard Avery and Leon Jacobs as late round LBs with speed and at least some coverage ability.
At least we got Obi to match up on TEs. At 6'4 and 225, he's an imposing, explosive presence.
40 Yrd Dash: 4.40
20 Yrd Dash: 2.55
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
Vertical Jump: 44
Broad Jump: 11'08"
Good post. I never saw Mayo as being that fast at all. Not slow, but not "speedy". I do think there's a difference between 40-speed and game speed. Maybe it's scheme. I just see opposing TEs and RBs routinely (and this has been happening for years) run away from our LBs. So maybe it's coverage skills and not speed? I dunno. But we haven't been fast at LB for some time.
Yep, forgot about him, if you can believe it. Very fast and athletic, and brought some real positives to the D. Of course....he also submarined them at times because he wasn't disciplined. But other than him, I can't think of a "speedy" LB (and you had to remind me of him!).