This has to be said...

[SyN65]

LOL a RB? No way.

I'm not a huge fan of Tebow but I admire his leadership/intangibles. With proper coaching he could become a fine QB in this league.

 

[Snake Eyes]

he has zero touch on the ball. On top of that, his first instinct will always be to run if things get tight back there.

First off, what is "touch" if we were to define it? I could be wrong but I'd say it has to do with the arc of the ball relative to it's placement: a line drive is more difficult to catch but if it has a nice arc the receiver can more easily pull it in, especially if it's thrown to a spot where the receiver can maintain his posture.

So, on one end we hear that Tebow can't throw but on the other we're essentially hearing that he throws too hard, more velocity on a given angle the less the arc the ball has, simple as that. I've seen plenty of Tebows throws where the "touch" is just fine, what I think might be happening is that Tebow can be inconsistent in his "touch" and those moments tend to stand out in our minds. I think those issues can be addressed through proper training/coaching.

As far as running, McNabb managed to go from a running/scrambling QB to mainly a pocket QB so I wouldn't write Tebow off concerning that.

Also, how cool would that be if Tebow managed to correct those issues and BB used that as ammo against the players: "Everyone said it would be impossible for Tebow to fix those problems and he did, how hard are you working to fix yours, which aren't nearly as difficult"?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

First off, what is "touch" if we were to define it? I could be wrong but I'd say it has to do with the arc of the ball relative to it's placement: a line drive is more difficult to catch but if it has a nice arc the receiver can more easily pull it in, especially if it's thrown to a spot where the receiver can maintain his posture.

So, on one end we hear that Tebow can't throw but on the other we're essentially hearing that he throws too hard, more velocity on a given angle the less the arc the ball has, simple as that. I've seen plenty of Tebows throws where the "touch" is just fine, what I think might be happening is that Tebow can be inconsistent in his "touch" and those moments tend to stand out in our minds. I think those issues can be addressed through proper training/coaching.

As far as running, McNabb managed to go from a running/scrambling QB to mainly a pocket QB so I wouldn't write Tebow off concerning that.

Also, how cool would that be if Tebow managed to correct those issues and BB used that as ammo against the players: "Everyone said it would be impossible for Tebow to fix those problems and he did, how hard are you working to fix yours, which aren't nearly as difficult"?

I agree, and what's to say that Tebow can't be used as a PT H back while he is learning to be an NFL QB.

 

[Kontradiction]

First off, what is "touch" if we were to define it? I could be wrong but I'd say it has to do with the arc of the ball relative to it's placement: a line drive is more difficult to catch but if it has a nice arc the receiver can more easily pull it in, especially if it's thrown to a spot where the receiver can maintain his posture.

So, on one end we hear that Tebow can't throw but on the other we're essentially hearing that he throws too hard, more velocity on a given angle the less the arc the ball has, simple as that. I've seen plenty of Tebows throws where the "touch" is just fine, what I think might be happening is that Tebow can be inconsistent in his "touch" and those moments tend to stand out in our minds. I think those issues can be addressed through proper training/coaching.

As far as running, McNabb managed to go from a running/scrambling QB to mainly a pocket QB so I wouldn't write Tebow off concerning that.

Also, how cool would that be if Tebow managed to correct those issues and BB used that as ammo against the players: "Everyone said it would be impossible for Tebow to fix those problems and he did, how hard are you working to fix yours, which aren't nearly as difficult"?

Touch to me means that Tebow has this tendency to sort of loft passes much more softly than he should have to the receivers on the shorter routes instead of zinging them in there with confidence. Not sure where you're coming up with this so-called "fact" that Tebow unloads passes too hard, but it's a myth. I've watched every single one of Tebow's games (including the times that he was in just to run the ball while Chris Leak was throwing it) and I've NEVER once seen that to the case.

His lofting tendency was okay at Florida because the Gators usually had the players at the skill position who were capable of breaking away from their defenders. However, against teams who could match the speed of the Gators (or at least keep up with them) and keep coverage tight, Tebow would struggle and a lot of his balls would get batted away when that never would have happened if he had just put some juice behind it. Some great examples of this were against Alabama this season AND in 2008, against Arkansas and Tennessee last season, and against Georgia in 2007 (those are just examples that I could think of off the top of my head). Though, the Georgia game I take a little bit less of the blame off of him because Florida's options around him were either extremely young or sucked, on top of having absolutely no run game outside of Tebow.

On top of this, his passes are not tightly thrown balls. Especially on his deep ball. I don't think I ever saw Tim throw a pass that was over 30 yards that was not wobbling in the air. Many times in the past two seasons, he was bailed out of this by having guys like Louis Murphy, Riley Cooper, Percy Harvin, and Aaron Hernandez to throw to. All guys who had really soft hands. That's why I called them "ducks".

 

[BradyBranch39]

Having watched Total Access last night and seeing his new throwing motion in action, as long as he keeps working at it I think he might just have a shot at being a QB in this league.

He was holding the ball much higher, and wasn't winding it up from below his waist. He seemed to showcase a very quick release as well.

I have to say that I've been a big critic from the start with him, but what I saw has caused me to re-evaluate his draft stock.

If you didn't see it, get on NFL.com and see if you can find it.

That vid made me higher on him than I was before. Still wouldn't touch him in the first round though.

 

[BradyBranch39]

Kyle Boller memorably put on a display of arm strength, throwing from his knees. For a less ridiculous example, consider baseball. There are a select group of outfielders who can throw a strike to the catcher from deep right field. I don't care who biometrically perfect your form is, you can make that throw or you can't, and it's nature, not nurture. My friend isn't a particularly great athlete, but he's got a better throwing arm than 75% of MLB outfielders. I'm lucky to get it to first base, and my arm hurts like hell afterwards.

As someone who is likely in this category, I can say that yeah, a lot of it is natural as evidenced by the fact that I am still above average when flat-footed and not trying to be perfect... BUT someone did tell me once that my mechanics were damn good.

What all this means I have no idea... and I'm not sure it is all that applicable because of guys like Jamarcus and Pennington.

 

[TriplecHamp]

He'll be a good QB in a couple years, assuming his QB Coach/Head Coach/OC have the patience to develop him. He may never be a Tommy Brady, but he could be a starter.

Tim Tebow will have a solid career at QB.

 

[Since1971]

We have so many other needs; he would be a project at best.

 

[VJCPatriot]

4.72 40 for Tebow. But most impressively - 6.66 3 cone at the Combine! The kid definitely has pro level agility!

 

[Feep50]

Tebow should go to Jacksonville. That's the perfect team for him. Let's trade Jax second rounder back to them so they can select Tebow and give us Groves in trade. I personally don't want anything to do with Tebow.

 

[Gator Mike]

I don't think he has the requisite arm strength

Seriously? I'd say arm strength is one of the things he's got in his favor:

Tim Tebow, Florida, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Arm Strength: Prototypical arm strength. Can make every NFL throw. Can zip short and intermediate passes and flashes touch and trajectory on deeper throws. Only occasionally asked to throw true deep balls in this offense, but has the arm strength to do so.

Tim Tebow | Florida Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect

Arm is strong enough to make all the throws -

New Era Scouting Blog Archive Tim Tebow Scouting Report

Arm Strength: Has enough arm strength to put the ball on a line fifty yards downfield in to the wind, as seen in Mobile. Can put his body in to a throw and get it on a rope in between the numbers. The sideline passes take a little too long to reach the receiver, but he has an average NFL arm.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Seriously? I'd say arm strength is one of the things he's got in his favor:

Tim Tebow, Florida, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com



Tim Tebow | Florida Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect



New Era Scouting Blog Archive Tim Tebow Scouting Report

Anybody doubting Tebow's arm strength has never seen him throw in person.

My problem with Tebow is can he be taught to throw into tight windows instead of running?

Mayok showed in the senior bowl that Tebow is really weak at this.

Mayok also thinks Tebow needs two red shirt years in the NFL. Where better to have those years than in New England? He can work on his throwing while playing 8 to 10 snaps a game at H back. I wonder if BB would consider him in the second?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Jacksonville will reach for him first. And honestly I'm not interested in the Tebow experiment. He has the earmarks of an epic bust. I don't know of anybody who changed their throwing motion completely and succeeded at the next level. Kid talks a good game, I'll give him that. But talk, and pro QB ability are different things.

 

[greerre]

He'll be a better H-Back than a running back. Sadly, he still thinks that he's going to be a quarterback in the league. Poor guy.

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. How many QBs have been drafted on arm strength or ability to throw alone only to be botches because they lacked the intangibles that the QB position, above all others, requires.

More than any QB in recent memory, Tebow has the most most tangible intangibles (if its possible to make sense of that). He is a proven winner, has an unbelievable work ethic, is extremely coachable, and most importantly is a football player. Imagine his upside potential if he can in fact become a better thrower.

I predict, even after his great combine numbers, Tebow will fall to a later round simply because of the question marks surrounding his ability to throw. Whoever takes him in this draft will be receiving tremendous value.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

4.72 40 for Tebow. But most impressively - 6.66 3 cone at the Combine! The kid definitely has pro level agility!

To put this in perspective, Julian Edelman's 3-cone was a 6.62.

 

[VJCPatriot]

To put this in perspective, Julian Edelman's 3-cone was a 6.62.

I know, with those kinds of numbers, he's just begging to be converted to another position. But he looks like he is committed to staying a QB...

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

To put this in perspective, Julian Edelman's 3-cone was a 6.62.

I'm waiting for his shuttles before branding him the next Julian Edelbinky - the kid doesn't need that kind of intense pressure.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'm waiting for his shuttles before branding him the next Julian Edelbinky - the kid doesn't need that kind of intense pressure.

Tebow, Tim 4.17

First among QBs.

 

[Kontradiction]

Tebow should go to Jacksonville. That's the perfect team for him. Let's trade Jax second rounder back to them so they can select Tebow and give us Groves in trade. I personally don't want anything to do with Tebow.

That's what they have been saying up there. Ownership and the front office are actually admitting that they are thinking about drafting him (even reaching for him) early because he is a local fan favorite and would help sell tickets.

 

[bakes781]

With his size I'm thinking he could convert to TE.