There is NO reason to not spend cap space

[Zoomnbyu]

If that’s the way Kraft looks at it, we are doomed. And Kraft is a liar.

You realize nothing in the world is black and white? Kraft most likely wants to field a successful team within the lines of annual profitability, keeping labor salaries across the league within an acceptable percentage, not extend too far due to unknown media, streaming, labor, technology, player health, etc.... concerns, and maintain his legacy. There's likely several more I don't understand enough to guess on. But sure, a bunch of schmoes who've never so much as owned a lemonade stand and whose combined net worth is less than a million they know how best to build an NFL team in the salary cap era.

 

[Wozzy]

They don’t have to spend much more in free agency, there’s roughly 20 roster spots open for camp. With 9 draft picks and a few for UDFA’s that only leaves a handful of spots for vets.

Sign a LT, sign a vet WR… the guys you get now are not expensive. Many will be working on “show me” or incentive laden deals. The Pats can outbid opponents and still not pay too much.

Pay the old or formerly injured guys on games/snaps played and production. If they don’t produce, the cap hit next year is nothing. They only have 2-3 starting roles to fill besides kicker. Get it done.

 

[p8ryts]

They don’t have to spend much more in free agency, there’s roughly 20 roster spots open for camp. With 9 draft picks and a few for UDFA’s that only leaves a handful of spots for vets.

Sign a LT, sign a vet WR… the guys you get now are not expensive. Many will be working on “show me” or incentive laden deals. The Pats can outbid opponents and still not pay too much.

Pay the old or formerly injured guys on games/snaps played and production. If they don’t produce, the cap hit next year is nothing. They only have 2-3 starting roles to fill besides kicker. Get it done.

I don't see to many guys out there worth paying a lot of money. Sure, I would like to see them go for some improvement but other than Tyron Smith, I don't see anyone out there I consider a game changer for us. Tyron is holding out for somebody that can get him a ring. Maybe he will come around. He is the one guy I can think of that I would overpay.

 

[Froob]

cap spaces rolls, you don’t want to waste it for no reason

 

[Ring 6]

You realize nothing in the world is black and white? Kraft most likely wants to field a successful team within the lines of annual profitability, keeping labor salaries across the league within an acceptable percentage, not extend too far due to unknown media, streaming, labor, technology, player health, etc.... concerns, and maintain his legacy. There's likely several more I don't understand enough to guess on. But sure, a bunch of schmoes who've never so much as owned a lemonade stand and whose combined net worth is less than a million they know how best to build an NFL team in the salary cap era.

Again, I don’t care announce about Robert Krafts billions. I want him to be competitive in spending to acquire players compared to the rest of the team so the team has a better chance of being good. For the past 10 years indications are he has ranked 28th of 32.
If he owns the team maximize profits at expense of the product on the field, he is not a good owner from a fan perspective and has been untruthful.
I have no interest in suggesting how he can maximize profits, I am concerned with maximizing the success on the field.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't see to many guys out there worth paying a lot of money. Sure, I would like to see them go for some improvement but other than Tyron Smith, I don't see anyone out there I consider a game changer for us. Tyron is holding out for somebody that can get him a ring. Maybe he will come around. He is the one guy I can think of that I would overpay.

If I were going the old guy route on the outside Tyron Smith or Joe Notebloom would be the guy, younger I'm going Jedrick Wills and/or Oli Udoh. Neither is getting a lot of money but the Patriots could pay the most, neither is a sure thing... but they're the highest odds dice roll under thirty.

WR's I'd bring in Amari Cooper, Elijah Moore and/or Terrace Marshall. One old guy, one middle aged guy and one young guy.

There are no more free agent DT's worth signing except more really old guys, but it's a DT heavy draft. Sign some of these guys above ^ you can draft that DT early along with some more tackles and WR's soon after.

 

[1960Pats]

Again, I don’t care announce about Robert Krafts billions. I want him to be competitive in spending to acquire players compared to the rest of the team so the team has a better chance of being good. For the past 10 years indications are he has ranked 28th of 32.
If he owns the team maximize profits at expense of the product on the field, he is not a good owner from a fan perspective and has been untruthful.
I have no interest in suggesting how he can maximize profits, I am concerned with maximizing the success on the field.

Unfortunately, Kraft is the type of owner who when he expects to make a 16% profit but only makes 8% he calls that an 8% loss.

I've lost quite a bit of respect for Kraft after seeing how he mismanaged things with B & B and tried to place blame on Belichick for what went wrong. I could never work for someone like that and maybe he's the reason some players are staying away. That and the racist reputation of the area.

 

[Zoomnbyu]

Unfortunately, Kraft is the type of owner who when he expects to make a 16% profit but only makes 8% he calls that an 8% loss.

I've lost quite a bit of respect for Kraft after seeing how he mismanaged things with B & B and tried to place blame on Belichick for what went wrong. I could never work for someone like that and maybe he's the reason some players are staying away. That and the racist reputation of the area.

But as a business owner that is an 8% opportunity loss. I expect to make 20%+ net pre-tax on the companies I own. Below that and you quickly get to the juice not being worth the squeeze. Whether its small to mid size companies like mine, an NFL team, Buffett owning BH why deal with all the BS of employees, taxes, regulations, etc... when you can toss money into the market and make 10-12% while laying on the beach?

I get all of us want to see a better team but like any corporation it has to turn a reasonable profit compared to the work put in, not everyone is going to want to work for your company, and it's hard to keep constantly running at the highest performance and exponentially harder to get back to the median when you screw the pooch. I think the ownership group wants to get better but their not going to run at an unacceptable ROI to get there in an artificial fan based sense of urgency when every seat in the house is filled, shirts are being bought, and they see a reasonable chance the ship is beginning to right itself.

 

[p8ryts]

But as a business owner that is an 8% opportunity loss. I expect to make 20%+ net pre-tax on the companies I own. Below that and you quickly get to the juice not being worth the squeeze. Whether its small to mid size companies like mine, an NFL team, Buffett owning BH why deal with all the BS of employees, taxes, regulations, etc... when you can toss money into the market and make 10-12% while laying on the beach?

I get all of us want to see a better team but like any corporation it has to turn a reasonable profit compared to the work put in, not everyone is going to want to work for your company, and it's hard to keep constantly running at the highest performance and exponentially harder to get back to the median when you screw the pooch. I think the ownership group wants to get better but their not going to run at an unacceptable ROI to get there in an artificial fan based sense of urgency when every seat in the house is filled, shirts are being bought, and they see a reasonable chance the ship is beginning to right itself.

Ah, there's the rub. What is a reasonable profit? A subject for a different discussion. Still, the crux of today's woes.

 

[JayNM]

Our bottom of the roster, and I mean like a good, humbling 30% of our 53 players last year, are NOT NFL players

We need to elevate the level of our team. Now is better than later.

 

[JayNM]

But as a business owner that is an 8% opportunity loss. I expect to make 20%+ net pre-tax on the companies I own. Below that and you quickly get to the juice not being worth the squeeze. Whether its small to mid size companies like mine, an NFL team, Buffett owning BH why deal with all the BS of employees, taxes, regulations, etc... when you can toss money into the market and make 10-12% while laying on the beach?

I get all of us want to see a better team but like any corporation it has to turn a reasonable profit compared to the work put in, not everyone is going to want to work for your company, and it's hard to keep constantly running at the highest performance and exponentially harder to get back to the median when you screw the pooch. I think the ownership group wants to get better but their not going to run at an unacceptable ROI to get there in an artificial fan based sense of urgency when every seat in the house is filled, shirts are being bought, and they see a reasonable chance the ship is beginning to right itself.

good post, but this is an Sports team, it's entertainment.

It is a fact that putting GOOD entertainment as soon as possible is the best for ALL of this type of business. That's why all owners, in all sports, hate "Rebuilds"

 

[JayNM]

Cap spending has NOTHING to do with Kraft being cheap, even if we go back to 5 years, is not an indication that Kraft is cheap

Everything else is. 50M for an upgraded "state of the art" training room AND Cafeteria? Very weird, considering we are the 2nd worst run organization in the NFL according to the NFLPA annual report, and we had a D (I Think) in these kind of structures.

Does not add up, even in Europe this number is low-ish, im pretty sure.

Also, the current South American soccer champions (Botafogo) used the Patriots plane for the Club World Cup

They complained it was **** and cheap. Yes, Brazilian players.

So you know....

Ah, cap spending has nothing to do with him being cheap, it does with him being just another imbecile billionaire

 

[JayNM]

cap spaces rolls, you don’t want to waste it for no reason

Might as well call ourselves the New England Dung beetles the we way we roll this ****

 

[JohnJH]

Our bottom of the roster, and I mean like a good, humbling 30% of our 53 players last year, are NOT NFL players

We need to elevate the level of our team. Now is better than later.

How? I'm just asking an honest question and would like to know what not only can be done, but of no less importance, should (or shouldn't) be done.

 

[JayNM]

How? I'm just asking an honest question and would like to know what not only can be done, but of no less importance, should (or shouldn't) be done.

Now?

We'll i'd sign all guys up to 40M of cap space that have ever performed at good NFL level, and are younger than 30 (all might be an exageration). Bunch of 1, 2 year deals, some might throw some more years, some more incentives than guaranteed.

In those 40M, yes we swing more in the obvious lacumn (WR, OT), but why not dip in the mediocre market? Get some G/C, some FS/LB, heck bring a RB, i dont know. Im pretty sure Vrabel himself wasnt exactly lightning teams on fire before coming here. Do we have ZERO business intelligence on other teams???

Why not get a bit crazy and let you know the best man win on camp. Prioritize character if you want, fine. Even after spending 40m on cap space, we'd still have top 10 cap space

And Id definitely would have signed one marquee player on offense. Now there isnt one available

The fact of the matter is that, management-wise, there hasnt been "stroke of genious" in awhile, and that's because we are SORELY lacking in braintrust creativity

 

[1960Pats]

But as a business owner that is an 8% opportunity loss. I expect to make 20%+ net pre-tax on the companies I own. Below that and you quickly get to the juice not being worth the squeeze. Whether its small to mid size companies like mine, an NFL team, Buffett owning BH why deal with all the BS of employees, taxes, regulations, etc... when you can toss money into the market and make 10-12% while laying on the beach?

I get all of us want to see a better team but like any corporation it has to turn a reasonable profit compared to the work put in, not everyone is going to want to work for your company, and it's hard to keep constantly running at the highest performance and exponentially harder to get back to the median when you screw the pooch. I think the ownership group wants to get better but their not going to run at an unacceptable ROI to get there in an artificial fan based sense of urgency when every seat in the house is filled, shirts are being bought, and they see a reasonable chance the ship is beginning to right itself.

Thanks for the respectful reply. I've never been a business owner and didn't look at it that way.

 

[patman52]

What you dont spend this year gets banked for future years, I rather have 60 extra million when it comes to pay May in two years, than to overspend it in a rebuilding year.

 

[JayNM]

What you dont spend this year gets banked for future years, I rather have 60 extra million when it comes to pay May in two years, than to overspend it in a rebuilding year.

rollover cap is not additive

 

[patman52]

rollover cap is not additive

what do you mean by an additive? thanks

 

[JayNM]

what do you mean by an additive? thanks

Lets say from 2022 to 2023 you rollover 20M (numbers made up)

In 2023 you have X cap space +20m

Now from 2023 to 2024 you not only have the 20M you rollover, but you spent X-20M cap space (so 40M in total of remaining cap space)

In 2024 you do not have 40M rollover cap space. They are not additive. So you still have your 20M extra

And this is applied only for one year. So lets assume we use this 40M to extend Maye in 2023

If everything remains the same for 2024, you are actually over 20M in cap, because you didnt roll over the cap, since Maye took it.

Rollover cap is a crutch for short term decisions, to benefit less spending team. You dont build around it long term