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Wow. Really? He took over and the team was what? 0-2? led them to the playoffs? He did what he needed to do to WIN. I'm glad you are guaranteeing that. Personally, I dont think that is at all realistic. I'm glad you could look into your crystal ball for that situation, but we all "have no clue" about how good Cassel is or will become. I know, his potential is limitless!!
he has a point, brady did struggle a bit early on

seems like some people here know their history and some don't
 
Its what I expect einstien - not what is going to happen, if you or I could see into the future then we would be doing alot more than sitting behind our keyboards at night

A successful season is simply not letting Cassel be as big a part of winning or losing as Brady is in this offense,he needs to do things right and often or the team will suffer for it

A fairly mistake free Cassel will help the team win,Brady or no Brady - He needs to blend in - not stand out and needs to keep that fu(king deer in the headlights look off his face on 3rd and long when he is looking directly across at those defensive ends with saliva dripping from their facemask knowing its a pass play

Absolutely!!
 
He is just saying that some of you clowns need to keep 2001 season out of conversations - It was a miraculous year and magical at that

The defense and RBs will make this year miraculous and magical if it happens to be,In 2008 Cassel is a musician who needs to blend in with the orchestra - In 2001 Brady was the conductor

Crack must be cheap where you live. I'm a relatively new fan, but I've done plenty of research. Articles from the time called it luck and claimed Bledsoe was the more talented of the two. Yeah, articles from DECEMBER 2001.

I don't buy (but wasn't there to see) that Brady was lighting up offenses in 2001 alone. If I'm wrong, awesome. But I'd like to hear it from someone with a less antagonistic bent.
 
We shall see if Cassell can step up. I hope he can. If he does very well we could trade him for a high round draft pick, and develop O'Connell for the future.
 
These threads are getting more and more silly as game day approaches. Cassel this, Brady that, Bledsoe the other. Who gives a damn?


Whether the Cassel 'bashers' like it or not, Cassel is, in fact, like Brady in some respects. He is taking over the starting QB position and replacing the best QB in team history, just as Brady did. Like Brady, Cassel will be essentially asked to manage the team, follow the reads, and avoid unecessary risks. Like Brady, Cassel will be taking over a team who's offensive line is not playing up to par.

The difference is that Cassel has a better supporting staff and a system that's already fully in place. Brady took over a team still in transition. Cassel hasn't started for years, but he's been watching the best of the best on both the college and professional levels.

Whether that's enough, and whether or not he can take the book learning and successfully apply it remains to be seen, but calling it an insult for the comparison to be made is just silly. Then again, a huge chunk of what fans have been saying and writing since the Super Bowl has been silly.
 
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ya just have to look up brady's 01 stats to know he wasn't the conductor back then that he is these days

dude had under 3k yards, 18 tds and 12 ints, and only 3 games of 250 yds or higher, passing

he had 6 games under 200 yards passing

it's obvious he had to take some time to develop into the great qb he is today.
 
Wow. Really? He took over and the team was what? 0-2? led them to the playoffs? He did what he needed to do to WIN. I'm glad you are guaranteeing that. Personally, I dont think that is at all realistic. I'm glad you could look into your crystal ball for that situation, but we all "have no clue" about how good Cassel is or will become. I know, his potential is limitless!!

Didn't they go from 0-2 and pass by 1-3 along the way, losing game 4 by TWENTY POINTS? Yes, they did.

Facts, best served cold and hard:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm

You might even enjoy a clear remembering of Brady's first game:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200109300nwe.htm
Fun Fact: Peyton Manning was intercepted 3 times.
 
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I am sick of seeing all these threads comparing the current situation to Brady coming in for Bledsoe. I think it is insulting to everything that Brady has brought to this franchise. what happened when Bledsoe got hurt is a once in a lifetime story where possibly the best QB of all time began his career and led a mediocre team to the SB. Comparing Cassel, who has proved zip after one week, to that situation is a complete and utter insult to Brady. Cassel is not and will never be at Brady's level.

So lets all get a little realistic. Lets hope Cassel can do enough to get us to the playoffs and hopefully we can make a run.

i don't think anyone here is going to argue that cassell is never going to be as good as brady. however, that does not mean that cassell can't win a super bowl. average qbs have won super bowls in the past, so when people are hoping for lightning to strike twice, they merely mean a super bowl and not necessarily hall of fame type season/career.
 
Crack must be cheap where you live. I'm a relatively new fan, but I've done plenty of research. Articles from the time called it luck and claimed Bledsoe was the more talented of the two. Yeah, articles from DECEMBER 2001.

I don't buy (but wasn't there to see) that Brady was lighting up offenses in 2001 alone. If I'm wrong, awesome. But I'd like to hear it from someone with a less antagonistic bent.

5-13 for Drew in the BB era speaks for itself - Those two (BB and Drew) did not seem to mix and Drew was no longer unreplaceable at that time

Like I said earlier, Brady was tearing up the 2001 preseason so good and Bledsoe looked mediocre that BB almost started Tom in game 1 in 2001 but gave Drew the benefit of the doubt since it was preseason and let him lose the first game and 85% of the 2nd game

The articles only went by what the stats were and their opinions of it- It was the BB and TB connection that started the whole thing into what it is today - or what it was until 2009 season when they hook up again
 
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Crack must be cheap where you live. I'm a relatively new fan, but I've done plenty of research. Articles from the time called it luck and claimed Bledsoe was the more talented of the two. Yeah, articles from DECEMBER 2001.

I don't buy (but wasn't there to see) that Brady was lighting up offenses in 2001 alone. If I'm wrong, awesome. But I'd like to hear it from someone with a less antagonistic bent.

You are right, he didnt light it up. but he did not make critical mistakes and made plays needed to be made. As a new fan, those are some of the things that you didnt see. It was a striking difference from bledsoe, who would throw for 350 yds but throw a critical INT or two. Right from the start, his poise was there. And his last drive that set up Vinitieri's game winning FG in the superbowl...classic

and that is what i am hoping for from Cassel. some poise. few mistakes. good decisions. But that is all we can hope for. To put this team on his back is completely unrealistic. If the team is successful this year, it will be not because of him but because he hits those three points. Brady has put this team on his back in the past.
 
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1. When Tom Brady is healthy, Matt Cassel will be back on the bench if he is still on this team.

2. I don't want Matt Cassel to be Brady. There is only one Tom Brady. All I want Cassel to do is minimize his mistakes and help our team win games. The season is just beginning. I'm curious to see what he's got. Let us all hope that what we saw in the preseason was an abberation. He did not look good in any of his starts during the preseason, IMHO.

3. This situation is no where near what the Brady/Bledsoe situation was. Brady is the reigning league MVP. Bledsoe was not. Brady was not in danger of losing his job before that injury either. I've heard from some in the media that Bledsoe was in danger of losing his job early in 2001 before he was hurt. Do you people honestly believe that BB is going to toss aside his MVP QB for a backup who they drafted to be a backup? The guy sat on the bench for four years for a reason. If he plays great, good for him. He will get paid by some team in need of a QB. He won't get that here.

4. Regardless of who the QB is it was going to take a team effort for this team to make the playoffs. Would it have been easier if Brady was here? ABSOLUTELY. Now, it's going to be more challenging. Let's all hope that Cassel can do the job.

If people want to compare Cassel to the 2001 Brady, that's their right, but I need to see more evidence. I want him to be successful. Our team NEEDS him to be successful. It is no insult to Brady if he is either. Brady will probably be among the first to be happy for him.
 
What a stupid and pointless thread.

How many more of these will we have to endure?

Used to be the nuttiness stopped when training camp started.

We need a goofball forum for all these goofball threads.
 
Crack must be cheap where you live. I'm a relatively new fan, but I've done plenty of research. Articles from the time called it luck and claimed Bledsoe was the more talented of the two. Yeah, articles from DECEMBER 2001.

I don't buy (but wasn't there to see) that Brady was lighting up offenses in 2001 alone. If I'm wrong, awesome. But I'd like to hear it from someone with a less antagonistic bent.

JSn-

"More talented" really isn't an accurate statement. Brady was an enigma as there was little data on him at the time. Bledsoe, in my opinion, had a stronger arm and that got him into trouble at times. Brady had worked his way up from 4 or 5 on the QB depth chart in 2000, so that gives an indication of his progress in Belichick's eyes.

As stated previously, Bledsoe was a media darling so when you do research reading articles showing Bledsoe love, read them through that lens. I don't think avid Brady fans will argue he lit up the world offensively in 2001 as the passing game was dink and dunk short passes but the important fact to note is Brady hit the receivers and lesser QBs may not have done so.

There is an intangible to player responses to QBs - Brady got the offense to play, Bledsoe could not. Even when Bledsoe substituted for Brady against the Steelers it showed. Receivers held on to Brady's throws. After catching the TD from Bledsoe, receivers started dropping passes again. It just looked sloppy and drives halted on mistakes. There is no way that team would have made it to the playoffs let alone won the championship with Bledsoe - the offense just did not rally around his leadership. And I actually like Bledsoe and respect what he did for this team.

Do QBs matter? Yes. Look at Chicago in 2006 with Rex Grossman. Great defense, great special teams, good running backs, lousy QB. When Grossman showed up, the team could win, but teams would gamble he would not show up and stop the run. The defense often times had to pitch shutouts and actually score TDs to offset Grossman's 20 QB rating and frequent turnovers.

It is a team effort to win but a QB will touch the ball every snap on offense. A failure at QB means the defense gets worn down, running backs get hurt and the offense cannot move the chains or hands the ball over. Any statement that QBs don't play defense overlooks the fact that a team creates the same effect if it can pose a credible running and passing threat, make throws when necessary, move the chains and kill the clock. That was the 2001 Patriots (6th ranked offense and defense (based on points allowed), 1000 yard rusher). The defense was "bend don't break," which means it would have just broken without any offense. The defense had to spend a good amount of time on the field if the offense executed as it had to (the defense was also opportunistic, so a good portion of the yards given up ended with no points). Defenses do wear down, so offensive execution matters.
 
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1. When Tom Brady is healthy, Matt Cassel will be back on the bench if he is still on this team.

2. I don't want Matt Cassel to be Brady. There is only one Tom Brady. All I want Cassel to do is minimize his mistakes and help our team win games. The season is just beginning. I'm curious to see what he's got. Let us all hope that what we saw in the preseason was an abberation. He did not look good in any of his starts during the preseason, IMHO.

3. This situation is no where near what the Brady/Bledsoe situation was. Brady is the reigning league MVP. Bledsoe was not. Brady was not in danger of losing his job before that injury either. I've heard from some in the media that Bledsoe was in danger of losing his job early in 2001 before he was hurt. Do you people honestly believe that BB is going to toss aside his MVP QB for a backup who they drafted to be a backup? The guy sat on the bench for four years for a reason. If he plays great, good for him. He will get paid by some team in need of a QB. He won't get that here.

4. Regardless of who the QB is it was going to take a team effort for this team to make the playoffs. Would it have been easier if Brady was here? ABSOLUTELY. Now, it's going to be more challenging. Let's all hope that Cassel can do the job.

If people want to compare Cassel to the 2001 Brady, that's their right, but I need to see more evidence. I want him to be successful. Our team NEEDS him to be successful. It is no insult to Brady if he is either. Brady will probably be among the first to be happy for him.

Excellent post and who can argue there with your 4 points...
 
What a stupid and pointless thread.

How many more of these will we have to endure?

Used to be the nuttiness stopped when training camp started.

We need a goofball forum for all these goofball threads.

Well you can head over to the planet with all the glorious threads you start if you don't like it
 
I am sick of seeing all these threads comparing the current situation to Brady coming in for Bledsoe. I think it is insulting to everything that Brady has brought to this franchise. what happened when Bledsoe got hurt is a once in a lifetime story where possibly the best QB of all time began his career and led a mediocre team to the SB. Comparing Cassel, who has proved zip after one week, to that situation is a complete and utter insult to Brady. Cassel is not and will never be at Brady's level.

So lets all get a little realistic. Lets hope Cassel can do enough to get us to the playoffs and hopefully we can make a run.

Let's face it. Brady played well his first year starting, but other than a few occassions in some games he was nowhere close to the QB he became. He was a good game manager in 2001, not a great QB. Comparing Cassel to what Brady was in 2001 is not an insult to Brady. Cassel may not end up being the game manager that Brady was, but Brady was good but nothing special in 2001.

If Brady came out in 2001 and played like he did in 2004 and beyond, then it would be an insult. But even Brady would admit that he was still a work in progress in 2001. He was still working on his strength and conditioning at that time and Weis kept him on a short leash by design. The Pats didn't ask him to win games, they asked him not to lose games. In 14 1/8 games he threw for 2,843 yards, 18 TDs, and 12 INTs in 2001. Those are not Brady-like numbers, but respectable for a QB.

I am not predicting that Cassel will play like Brady did in 2001, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. Brady was not a top QB in 2001. He didn't have the pocket prescence he has developed, he didn't read defenses like he does today, he definitely and didn't have the armstrength (in fact, many critics criticized him for his armstrength in 2001).
 
IIRC Brady's first start was against Manning and Company who were starting to become a force in the AFC at that time - Kansas City is a doormat team - Don't dare compare the debut of both QBs,its ******ed

We were 5 and 11 the season before, and lost the first 2 games of the season. The colts went 10-8 Hardly a "force in the AFC", on either team. Perhaps if you knew your history of the Patriots, you could comment intelligently.
 
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3. This situation is no where near what the Brady/Bledsoe situation was. Brady is the reigning league MVP. Bledsoe was not. Brady was not in danger of losing his job before that injury either. I've heard from some in the media that Bledsoe was in danger of losing his job early in 2001 before he was hurt. Do you people honestly believe that BB is going to toss aside his MVP QB for a backup who they drafted to be a backup? The guy sat on the bench for four years for a reason. If he plays great, good for him. He will get paid by some team in need of a QB. He won't get that here.


If people want to compare Cassel to the 2001 Brady, that's their right, but I need to see more evidence. I want him to be successful. Our team NEEDS him to be successful. It is no insult to Brady if he is either. Brady will probably be among the first to be happy for him.

I think when people compare Brady and Cassel it isn't their exact situations, but more that the team will ask Cassel to be what the Pats asked of Brady his first year as a starter - be a game manager and don't lose the game for the Pats. I don't think anyone thinks Cassel will be half the QB Brady is, but people are hopeful he can fill the role similiar to what Brady did in 2001.
 
People have high hopes for Matt Cassel. (Key word : hope) That is not an insult to Tom Brady.
 
People have high hopes for Matt Cassel. (Key word : hope) That is not an insult to Tom Brady.

You just don't understand. Because we find a few similarities in the respective situations, we MUST mean that Cassel will now definitely be going on to become the all-new G.O.A.T. We couldn't possibly mean anything else.
 
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