The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

You used to be one of the best posters here.

Two things.

One, I would like to have an intelligent conversation about the possibility of trading Brady and keeping Cassel long term. I am not saying that I am committed to that route, but anyone who doesn't think BB is seriously considering it is a fool. Not saying that is the route he will take but BB is not dismissing as the joke than many on this board has. Instead of allowing that conversation to occur the mods have stiffled that discussion by creating a thread that is unmanageable with all the trollish posts contained therein.

Two, while I don't believe we need one single thread on a topic that spans 2 months. There is absolutely no reason for four threads a day on the potential Cassel trade.

My method of protest is to duplicate the multiple trade Cassel threads word for word as trade Brady thread. The merging of one and not the other shows the utter hypocrisy going on.

 

[swheeler23]

What has Cassel done?The Patriots didnt even make the playoffs. He might be great one day? what has Brady done? He might not be as great as he was? I will take my chances with Brady.

 

[nepatriot29]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

What you may see is a Larry Johnson or Tony Gonzalez (plus draft pick) for Matt Cassel trade in the near future.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

Commit suicide.

I was thinking more of a bell tower sniper reaction but the results would be the same.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Re: Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Brady's trade valu

So from what I'm hearing, there is a very good chance both Sanchez & Bradford might stay for their senior years. That will pretty much make Stafford the only round 1 caliber QB, which means you might have a lot more teams who want a QB willing to part with their first for a guy like Brady.

Stay tuned ...

there were to be no new trade Brady threads...give it a break

 

[Lifer]

What has Cassel done?The Patriots didnt even make the playoffs. He might be great one day? what has Brady done? He might not be as great as he was? I will take my chances with Brady.

Brady. pfffft. He sucks. Hasnt won a thing since way back in 2004, the choker.

 

[VJ11]

Re: Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Brady's trade valu

Sanchez just declared he will enter the draft this year. That means two round 1 caliber QBs available. Although I will reserve judgment on that after the Scouting Combine. Beware of small school "phenoms".
Are you jumping the gun a bit about Brady's trade value? It's going to take at least 4 months before there is any clear idea about Brady's return. Claims and rumours up till now range from him being fully healthy at the start of training camp to him missing training camp completely and the start of the regular season. Even if the truth is somewhere in the middle, that gives no certainty at all.
And is BB ready to say goodbye to Brady? I mean, this past season showed that even the slightest dropoff can hurt you eventually. Cassell will be kept around as long as he is needed, but the offense is still at its best with Brady at the controls. There are only a few positions in football nowadays where experience is invaluable, QB is one of them. Just look how Brett Favre has been hanging on, how Kerry Collins still has a job, even Pennington is considered an asset. Trading Brady away this year or at any point in the coming four years or so is sheer stupidity. The only reason I would feel forced to contemplate the thought of trading Brady, is that he has lost his game, and there would have to be ample evidence of it, like blown leads with killer fumbles or interceptions, chemistry with the WRs is gone, no more comebacks engineered, after playing at least two full seasons. However, as long as Brady has the capacity to lead the Patriots to the playoffs, win some playoff games, maybe even a fourth SB trophy, he is still the man in New England.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

I guess we'll see soon enough if you're right about BB's thinking on this. IMO, there's no way BB is, has, or will seriously consider trading Tom Brady.

 

[363839]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

Two things.

One, I would like to have an intelligent conversation about the possibility of trading Brady and keeping Cassel long term. I am not saying that I am committed to that route, but anyone who doesn't think BB is seriously considering it is a fool. Not saying that is the route he will take but BB is not dismissing as the joke than many on this board has. Instead of allowing that conversation to occur the mods have stiffled that discussion by creating a thread that is unmanageable with all the trollish posts contained therein.

Two, while I don't believe we need one single thread on a topic that spans 2 months. There is absolutely no reason for four threads a day on the potential Cassel trade.

My method of protest is to duplicate the multiple trade Cassel threads word for word as trade Brady thread. The merging of one and not the other shows the utter hypocrisy going on.

I thought you were trying to get banned, myself.
But there is truth in this post, I have to admit.
BB does always preach "...what's best for the team."

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Re: Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Brady's trade valu

The craptastic "trade Brady" discussions all go into one concentrated thread of ubermoronic discusions, to save the rest of the board from threads that suck the IQ right out of the reader for having seen such stupidity expressed in words.

-cool, mods are on the ball

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

Two things.

One, I would like to have an intelligent conversation about the possibility of trading Brady and keeping Cassel long term. I am not saying that I am committed to that route, but anyone who doesn't think BB is seriously considering it is a fool. Not saying that is the route he will take but BB is not dismissing as the joke than many on this board has. Instead of allowing that conversation to occur the mods have stiffled that discussion by creating a thread that is unmanageable with all the trollish posts contained therein.

Two, while I don't believe we need one single thread on a topic that spans 2 months. There is absolutely no reason for four threads a day on the potential Cassel trade.

My method of protest is to duplicate the multiple trade Cassel threads word for word as trade Brady thread. The merging of one and not the other shows the utter hypocrisy going on.

It's not hypocrisy, and it's not your call. You don't own the site. Ian chose to do it, and he gave his reasons for doing so.

As for the discussion, you have had the ability to discuss that idiocy all along. Instead, you've decided to go the route of turning yourself from one of the best posters on the site into a clown.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

I guess we'll see soon enough if you're right about BB's thinking on this. IMO, there's no way BB is, has, or will seriously consider trading Tom Brady.

Not necessarily.

We will know if BB trades Tom Brady. If he decides to keep Brady but the it was a decision that was a very close call of say 51%/49% he isn't going to come out and tell us that.

 

[Lifer]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

maybe we should just release Brady in order to save money!

 

[scout]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

maybe we should just release Brady in order to save money!

Hey if that's your position, I'm not going to bash you for it.

 

[scout]

Re: If we got #1 pick for Brady - what would BB do?

Well I would be setting my DVR to record Brady's new team because he is too awesome not to watch. I just don't see that happening though. Tom is the face of the Patriots and the NFL so I cannot see Coach B making that mistake because Tom is exactly the player he wants in his system. It would also cause other players to drop out of the system. You have to remember that the team has very few #1 picks and have done just fine with mid to late round players, plus that doesn't break the salary cap.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that irritates the hell out of me.
We shouldn't trade Brady because:
He's the face of the Patriots
He's the face of the NFL
Coach B wouldn't make that mistake
It would cause other players to drop out of the system
And of course we wouldn't want any more #1 picks because we've been doing just fine.

Yet, people here bash posts exploring a trade because of their logic.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The fact that he can pass a physical doesn't mean hes going to be able to play at his previous level. Culpepper passed a physical. He sure wasn't what he was before.

You've actually resorted to comparing Brady to Culpepper? Allow me to list the ways in which they are different.

1. Culpepper was never half the player that Brady is, and always relied largely on his legs, whether to shrug off pass rushers or to run.
2. Culpepper sucked for the full half season BEFORE he was injured, as well. Based on that, there's good reason to believe that Randy Moss simply made him look better than he ever really was.
3. Culpepper was injured much later in the season, and his injury was more severe.
4. Culpepper isn't exactly known for having a great work ethic.
5. Culpepper refused to rehab with team doctors- he did it all himself, and, by all accounts, did a terrible job rehabbing from the injury.

Basically, the gist of it is that Culpepper may have passed his physical, but he was never a very good QB to begin with. Based on his pre-injury, post-Moss stats, he actually wasn't a very different QB after the injury than he was before.

So no, I do not accept Culpepper as a comparable for what we might see from Brady. I also don't accept comparing any young player's career against the fact that he 'should have' become Peyton Manning.

Besides, even Brady at 90% is far and away better than Cassel.

Its not? A 6 year 50M deal, with 20M guaranteed gives you a 6.85M cap hit in year 1, and a 7.6M cap hit in year 2.

Which, as I said before, would be a substantial hometown discount. Cassel could likely make a lot more than 6/50 with 20 guaranteed in free agency.

 

[mgcolby]

Did any of the trade brady morons* in this thread call Sirius today to get Marty's take on what they could get for him?

I just hope that the trade Brady contingent from Patsfans.com realize they are insane and restrict their lunacy to this board. If not, bringing it to a national radio broadcast with Marty Schottenheimer and Wilcox (hate the guy, but that is irrelevant) raises it to a whole new level!

* By moron I am simply referring to the posters NFL knowledge. This does not reflect my views on their overall intellect or life skills. This is simply restricted to football related matters.

 

[JMarr]

Re: Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Brady's trade valu

The only reason I would feel forced to contemplate the thought of trading Brady, is that he has lost his game, and there would have to be ample evidence of it, like blown leads with killer fumbles or interceptions, chemistry with the WRs is gone, no more comebacks engineered, after playing at least two full seasons. However, as long as Brady has the capacity to lead the Patriots to the playoffs, win some playoff games, maybe even a fourth SB trophy, he is still the man in New England.

Again, THERE ARE NO POTENTIAL SUITORS FOR BRADY RIGHT NOW SO THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS MOOT. right now no one--including McDaniels, Pioli, OR BB for that matter knows what sort of player Tom Brady will be when he next walks onto the field.

Thank god that we are "stuck" with Tom until he gets into game situations and either shows that he still has it [and if he does, how do you possibly trade him?], or that he's not ready to go [in which case no team in their right mind would trade for him].

Right now the only relevant discussion is what kind of plan B the Pats are going to come up with if needed.

 

[scout]

Re: Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Brady's trade valu

Again, THERE ARE NO POTENTIAL SUITORS FOR BRADY RIGHT NOW SO THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS MOOT. right now no one--including McDaniels, Pioli, OR BB for that matter knows what sort of player Tom Brady will be when he next walks onto the field.

Thank god that we are "stuck" with Tom until he gets into game situations and either shows that he still has it [and if he does, how do you possibly trade him?], or that he's not ready to go [in which case no team in their right mind would trade for him].

Right now the only relevant discussion is what kind of plan B the Pats are going to come up with if needed.

Most of the threads on this board could be disregarded based on the evidence which is presented to us. How many times has there been a thread which states we should trade a player (Seymour) or cut a player, sign a player that was just cut, and we know nothing about those players except what is printed in the media, BINGO.
Does Brady's unknown physical condition stop any one from posting about what we can get for Cassel or what team he might hook up with, after all, he is linked to Tom's physical condition, thus a moot point.
Hey, let's hypothesize that everything is peachykeen and wonder what a team might offer us for him. Oh right, that would be "moronic".

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Good chance Bradford & Sanchez stay in school - Great news for Brady's trade valu

Most of the threads on this board could be disregarded based on the evidence which is presented to us. How many times has there been a thread which states we should trade a player (Seymour) or cut a player, sign a player that was just cut, and we know nothing about those players except what is printed in the media, BINGO.
Does Brady's unknown physical condition stop any one from posting about what we can get for Cassel or what team he might hook up with, after all, he is linked to Tom's physical condition, thus a moot point.
Hey, let's hypothesize that everything is peachykeen and wonder what a team might offer us for him. Oh right, that would be "moronic".

Yes, it would be. You're finally starting to figure it out.