The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[nepatz11]

I agree. The bottom line is that if Cassel does not hang serious points on a team we lose. Our defense is horrible. Just horrible. Cassel is a good QB. He is not brady!

 

[OhExaulted1]

I agree. Some of these people are so obsessed with Cassel that they can't see that this is a very FLAWED team, especially on DEFENSE.

Really, because if I'm not mistaken the OFFENSE gave the game away, not the defense. You can't continuously give the ball away and expect the defense to makeup the difference. They looked like they were playing with a wet bar of soap instead of footballs tonight. I hope none of these guys ever go to prison.

 

[everlong]

Really, because if I'm not mistaken the OFFENSE gave the game away, not the defense. You can't continuously give the ball away and expect the defense to makeup the difference. They looked like they were playing with a wet bar of soap instead of footballs tonight. I hope none of these guys ever go to prison.

His comment was a generalization about the season as a whole. The offense and special teams played worse than the defense today but the defense still allow 3 or 4 3rd and 9+ conversions today and gave up 160+ yards on the ground. That's not the championship defense we have become accustomed to.

 

[PatriotsReign]

What a bunch of homers. I watched the game and Casell wasn't on my list of f'ups. Did he miss the short field goal which would put us up at the half, drop the ball in the end zone for a score, drop a wide open long pass with no one even close, or fumble the kick off. Oh yea, he fumbled when someone hit him on the blindside, his first pick went off the hands of the tight end. Quit honestly, it was over after that point.
How easy it is to yell out moron if a member speaks of trading Brady. Because with Brady the Patriots would win this year's superbowl, right? That would be two in a row counting last year's. A long time ago the Patriots traded PLunket who was in his fith year and received 2# 1's who turned out to be one of the greatest DB's ever and Tim Fox. Sure could use a good db today, as O'Neil is not the answer. If Plunkett was worth 2#1's, what would Brady bring. What if the Pats received (thru a multiple team trade) CB Asomugha, LB Demarcus Ware, and S Ed Reed. Just lets say that the cap is worked out and in the final analysis, the Patriots end up with a shut down defense and a very competent qb, and still have their own #1. Now, if people still want to say, under no circumstances should the Patriots trade Brady, then I sure hope BB comes up with some good defenses, because even with a great qb (Brady) the Patriots are not winning anymore championships with their current defense.

Homers? HOMERS??

If you have even thought about that trading one of the best QB in NFL history, you really don't understand football any more than a junior high cheerleader.

 

[scout]

Homers? HOMERS??

If you have even thought about that trading one of the best QB in NFL history, you really don't understand football any more than a junior high cheerleader.

When I was referring to Homers, I wa referencing most of the posts which replied with stupid, morons, hurt Brady' feelings close the thread, etc, etc.
In all of my postings which "looked" into a trading partner involving Brady, not one member has responded with a "debate". Which was the title of the thread. Likewise, your reasoning was a cut above "moron".
Again, I never said we 'should' trade Brady, but if there was a scenario in which a team offered us a lock down defense, then, it would be "dumb, moronic, etc, etc, not to look into that trade. Bottom line, defense still wins championships, and we don't have one close to it regardless of having the all time best qb in football.
(but you still can carry my books to school).

 

[BradyManny]

In all of my postings which "looked" into a trading partner involving Brady, not one member has responded with a "debate". Which was the title of the thread. Likewise, your reasoning was a cut above "moron".

Has it occurred to you that maybe your opinion on the matter is so outrageous that no one will amuse them? AKA, has it occurred to you that you might be wrong, and everyone else might be right. When you can't stir a debate on a given topic, particularly on a message board where everyone wants to chime in their 2 cents, sometimes its just indicative of not having a valid opinion to begin with.

 

[scout]

Has it occurred to you that maybe your opinion on the matter is so outrageous that no one will amuse them? AKA, has it occurred to you that you might be wrong, and everyone else might be right. When you can't stir a debate on a given topic, particularly on a message board where everyone wants to chime in their 2 cents, sometimes its just indicative of not having a valid opinion to begin with.

Actually, if you read my post you might comprehend that most fans reacted with hysterical posts. Some of the members who I respect for their football knowledge, either posted that they did not want to trade Brady and explained why, or that they posted that it was plausible. How is it outrageous if a trade brings a world championship. Your saying, that under no circumstances would we trade Brady, even if it that means we might not win another championship. As you may have guessed, I really don't care what names I'm called for stating my opinion, and I really don't care if some people think it has no merit. If your basing your reasoning on being 'wrong or right' you've missed the point. The underlying theme is we do not have a championship defense. You might want to start there when replying.

 

[BradyManny]

Actually, if you read my post you might comprehend that most fans reacted with hysterical posts. Some of the members who I respect for their football knowledge, either posted that they did not want to trade Brady and explained why, or that they posted that it was plausible. How is it outrageous if a trade brings a world championship. Your saying, that under no circumstances would we trade Brady, even if it that means we might not win another championship. As you may have guessed, I really don't care what names I'm called for stating my opinion, and I really don't care if some people think it has no merit. If your basing your reasoning on being 'wrong or right' you've missed the point. The underlying theme is we do not have a championship defense. You might want to start there when replying.

There simply is not a realistic scenario in which trading Brady gets us closer to winning a championship.

We were a dropped interception from having the greatest season in NFL history, and you want to blow up the team and rebuild. I think that's probably why no one is taking you seriously right now.

Maybe you're right. Maybe the Celts should trade Pierce and KG before their value drops. I bet the Sox could get good value for Pedroia & Papelbon right now. I mean, why continue compete for titles on a yearly basis now when we could potentially have a slight chance of having a better team 5 years from now if all our draft picks pan out?

 

[NEPatriot]

I agree. Some of these people are so obsessed with Cassel that they can't see that this is a very FLAWED team, especially on DEFENSE.

I have a good question for you.

If you have a FLAWED DEFENSE, should Cassel run the O better or do you expect the D to help you win the game?

D was on the field more than O yesterday. Say what you want but Cassel is the one who throws the ball and decides who gets the ball.

If your QB is no good, your O is no good. You can't depend on Cassel to win a big game.

 

[DefenseRules]

I have a good question for you.

If you have a FLAWED DEFENSE, should Cassel run the O better or do you expect the D to help you win the game?

D was on the field more than O yesterday. Say what you want but Cassel is the one who throws the ball and decides who gets the ball.

If your QB is no good, your O is no good. You can't depend on Cassel to win a big game.

In my HONEST OPINION. Matt Cassel is a good QB. He's doing a good job. Yesterday's loss had NOTHING to do with Matt Cassel in my opinion. Did he make some mistakes? Sure he did, but I expect him to. This is the first real playing time that this kid has had in his entire career in the NFL. I NEVER expected the Next Tom Brady from him. But I did expect him to be efficient. He has far exceeded my expectations.
I think that there were other players that were MUCH, MUCH WORSE yesterday. I'll start with Matt Light and THE ENTIRE DEFENSE and add Randy Moss, Ben Watson and Matthew Slater to that list too. This loss was UGLY in so many FUNDAMENTAL ways. That was the point that I was trying to make. I am looking at the EXECUTION of the ENTIRE TEAM, not just Cassel.

 

[NEPatriot]

In my HONEST OPINION. Matt Cassel is a good QB.

A good QB is the one who leads his team to a SB game.

Any QB can play 16 games but only a few can lead his team to playoff or SB. See the differences?

Sorry, Cassel is not good enough to do it even with an EASY SCHEDULE.

 

[Lifer]

A good QB is the one who leads his team to a SB game.

Any QB can play 16 games but only a few can lead his team to playoff or SB. See the differences?

Sorry, Cassel is not good enough to do it even with an EASY SCHEDULE.

wow, not much different than your posting in the political forum.

You have to get to the Super Bowl to just be "good"? hey, this isnt NEW YORK, ok?

the defense has now given up 34,28, and 33 points the last 3 weeks. QB is not the problem with this team.

 

[NEPatriot]

wow, not much different than your posting in the political forum.

You have to get to the Super Bowl to just be "good"? hey, this isnt NEW YORK, ok?

the defense has now given up 34,28, and 33 points the last 3 weeks. QB is not the problem with this team.

you are in the denial mode.

You criticize the D and other players for not doing their job but you are not willing to do the same thing to Cassel. It's unfair.

Do you know why the D didn't play well yesterday? Because they were on the field more than Cassel. If you knew that D was not that good, why did you not play well offensively?

This is not the first time Cassel SCORED less than 18 pts OK?

Cassel is an average QB.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The one unforgiveable sin on Cassel's part is even mitigated; they got fumbles out of him on 2 different occasions blitzing past the LT on the blind side. There's a reason it's called a blind side.

Yeah, you can say his sixth sense is weak (and this is a serious comment... Brady has an uncanny awareness, sometimes appearing to extend to things he can't see... but I don't wanna get all Chuck Norrissy about it.)

But for the most part he was dropping balls right into receivers' hands when it counted. He was doing his job. If you're honest with yourself, you need to be calling for Randy Moss' head, not Matt Cassel's. To be a little smarter, you just say "damn we stank it up!" and realize it's one game.

PS, this does not, however, look good for the "Cassel marches the Pats to a SB victory" scenario, and hence, the "Trade Brady" scenario has gone from unlikely to close to impossible.

PFnV

 

[billdog3484]

Bottom line is Cassel is good and Brady is Legendary. It's not fair to compare the two. Just hope Cassel plays great over the next 4 games, we can somehow receive good compensation for him through a Franchise and trade deal, and Brady comes back next year without missing a beat. Best thing about the injury is that it occured the first week of the season, not the last.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

A good QB is the one who leads his team to a SB game.

Any QB can play 16 games but only a few can lead his team to playoff or SB. See the differences?

Sorry, Cassel is not good enough to do it even with an EASY SCHEDULE.

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I dont even believe that you believe what you write half the time, you seem to just want to get people going. I guess thats what ignore buttons are for.

 

[Kontradiction]

I've managed to stay as far away from this thread as possible to avoid receiving an infraction. But now that I'm here I must say: Jesus! Imagine if Brady actually posted here under a pseudonymn! He'd probably ASK to get traded to the Lions.

 

[WeezyFbaby]

I would just like to make it very clear that i have not once this entire year made a bad comment about Cassel if you look you will see that. all i meant by closing this thread is that I think trade Brady talk is kinda ridiculous hes 32 and the best quarterback in the world. No disrespect to Cassel bu 12 games doesnt build the legacy that Brady has established. I do believe with brady behind the line against pitts we would have stood a better chance. thats all tough to disagree with that...

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I am looking at the EXECUTION of the ENTIRE TEAM, not just Cassel.

Okay it was an ugly, bad game... but execution? I mean, can they even execute a guy for poor performance?

 

[DefenseRules]

Okay it was an ugly, bad game... but execution? I mean, can they even execute a guy for poor performance?

Cute...real cute.