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Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair way of looking at it. Pretty much what I took away, too. The Bills aren't bad, and guys like Spiller have always given the Pats trouble. And we all know that Arrington isn't the answer at RCB; we need Butler to win his job back pronto.

I think if Arrington could play CB even at a dime back caliber, it would be a pleasant surprise.

He was never a guy I expected to come in and contribute at CB.
 
Anytime you have young guys, there is going to be a pretty significant roller coaster. One series they will be lights out, another they will get chucked on all day long. Today's stuggles were quintessential young guy stuff in the secondary, and tallent stuff on the flanks of the front 7.

The run plays were largely caused by TBC either getting blown off the line or shooting the C gap to try and make a play while engaged. Two gapping only works if everyone is on the same page, and on a few of those plays TBC gave up the gap integrity of the D gap. This was either from kickout blocks or just simple engagement. It was pretty clear though that TBC was directly targeted early in the game. They were cracking down on him, posting him out, kicking him out with a pull, ect...it was pretty clear that they went at him. The reason a lof of those runs were effective was that TBC gave up his outside shoulder, negating the playside flow to the football from the ILB. Flow to ILB has playside a to c gap. It works beautifully when the edge is sealed and the back is turned into the c gap as the playside ILB comes knifing in. His most important job as the edge man is to never allow the play to get outside of him, especially away from the SS or if they are in cover-2, He had a tough game out there against the run, but that was never his strength.

Towards the secondary. Poor angles and rookie errors. They just didn't play well when they were exposed. The most obvious example was when they flexed 21 out to x on Meriweather and ran what basically amounts to a pick route with the slot. With the corner drawn up on the receiver, it gives Spiller a footrace to the pylon against the safety. If it's perfectly executed, it will force Meriweather to take an indirect angle. It wasn't executed perfectly, so it became an angle game with agile tailback vs safety. This is a matchup Spiller should win. However, he won this matchup because Meriweather took a risk at attacking the inside instead of remaining in his zone and breaking down on Spiller. He was gambling. Can't do that in this defense.

On the touchdown over McCourtey, they were in 2 man under. Chung needed to be there to make a play on that ball, as that play is a cover-2 beater designed to drop the ball in between the beaten corner and the safety towards the numbers. That's an experience and recognition thing where Chung needs to read that route sooner and not respect the TE route designed to keep him at home. That's why his Mike is so damn deep in that coverage, let him deal with that. They draw it up that way to pause the playside safety to allow that ball to get dropped in there. Again, youth and inexperience and will improve with time.

Other than that, there were some missed tackles out there that really are inexcusable, but will improve with time.

On the positive side, anyone notice the chemistry these young guys have together? Specifically on the Chung pick, notice how fast all the DB's broke into a perfect wall for him and advanced towards the vacated field. This is going to be one hell of a defense one day, guys, they are showing all of the signs of a young team starting to gel together.

Oh...and anyone else notice BB on the sideline with the headset and offense play sheet during the most succesful drives of the game? Hmmmm....

Awesome writeup, as always, and very interesting factoid down at the bottom there. I missed that...
 
The Bills have one of the worst offenses in football
We should have blown this team out.
Period

Butler still sucks and Merri got caught jumping the route on Spillers touchdown catch. The only plays the defense made were on Fitzie's poor throws

Wait and see the score against good offenses......
8&8 boys and girls
Count on it
 
Anytime you have young guys, there is going to be a pretty significant roller coaster. One series they will be lights out, another they will get chucked on all day long. Today's stuggles were quintessential young guy stuff in the secondary, and tallent stuff on the flanks of the front 7.

The run plays were largely caused by TBC either getting blown off the line or shooting the C gap to try and make a play while engaged. Two gapping only works if everyone is on the same page, and on a few of those plays TBC gave up the gap integrity of the D gap. This was either from kickout blocks or just simple engagement. It was pretty clear though that TBC was directly targeted early in the game. They were cracking down on him, posting him out, kicking him out with a pull, ect...it was pretty clear that they went at him. The reason a lof of those runs were effective was that TBC gave up his outside shoulder, negating the playside flow to the football from the ILB. Flow to ILB has playside a to c gap. It works beautifully when the edge is sealed and the back is turned into the c gap as the playside ILB comes knifing in. His most important job as the edge man is to never allow the play to get outside of him, especially away from the SS or if they are in cover-2, He had a tough game out there against the run, but that was never his strength.

Towards the secondary. Poor angles and rookie errors. They just didn't play well when they were exposed. The most obvious example was when they flexed 21 out to x on Meriweather and ran what basically amounts to a pick route with the slot. With the corner drawn up on the receiver, it gives Spiller a footrace to the pylon against the safety. If it's perfectly executed, it will force Meriweather to take an indirect angle. It wasn't executed perfectly, so it became an angle game with agile tailback vs safety. This is a matchup Spiller should win. However, he won this matchup because Meriweather took a risk at attacking the inside instead of remaining in his zone and breaking down on Spiller. He was gambling. Can't do that in this defense.

On the touchdown over McCourtey, they were in 2 man under. Chung needed to be there to make a play on that ball, as that play is a cover-2 beater designed to drop the ball in between the beaten corner and the safety towards the numbers. That's an experience and recognition thing where Chung needs to read that route sooner and not respect the TE route designed to keep him at home. That's why his Mike is so damn deep in that coverage, let him deal with that. They draw it up that way to pause the playside safety to allow that ball to get dropped in there. Again, youth and inexperience and will improve with time.

Other than that, there were some missed tackles out there that really are inexcusable, but will improve with time.

On the positive side, anyone notice the chemistry these young guys have together? Specifically on the Chung pick, notice how fast all the DB's broke into a perfect wall for him and advanced towards the vacated field. This is going to be one hell of a defense one day, guys, they are showing all of the signs of a young team starting to gel together.

Oh...and anyone else notice BB on the sideline with the headset and offense play sheet during the most succesful drives of the game? Hmmmm....

The defense is not bad or average. The problem is actually the way/pace the pats score in a game.

When TB12 takes like 13 plays and 6+ minites off the clock the defense actually performs well, but the moment brady does a 4 play and td or a long pass td, or 3 and out, the defense struggles almost the next series to stop a team.

The pats just need more 8+ play drives to keep the d off the field and they should be fine .

Basically, the pats need to return to a pre 2007 offense.
 
Awesome writeup, as always, and very interesting factoid down at the bottom there. I missed that...

Notice how clinical that opening second half drive was? Some above-average coordinators would be really nice.

As a fan, the last thing I'm interested in is how good [or interested] BB is in teaching and developing coaches. Never thought I would miss McD, and I'm even starting to miss Pees a bit.
 
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Anybody else happy with this win?

-Brady looked awesome
-Gronk and Hernandez are maturing before our eyes
-The law firm had 98 yards on the ground. Yes, the law firm.
-Defense will only get better from here, because you can't go any lower

This team reminds me a lot of the Saints of last year with all of their weapons. I say that because they won a lot of shootouts and only relied on their defense for turnovers not 3 and out stops. The Pats with 2 huge INTs at the end of the game. Thats like the saints last year. Also, remember the saints offense last year against the Jets? They struggled as well in week 2.
 
Man....very impressive. I am not being a wise a## here (well not completely anyways)when I say......Have you ever considered being a defensive coordinator??? Seriously though, do you coach football? You have a great grasp of the D's inner "workings"......good post

Hahaha thanks man. At one point, yeah I did consider it. Time commitment just didn't synch up with quality of life factor and I had to make a decision when I graduated. I don't coach, did a little pop warner volunteir work for my nephew, but that doesn't really count as it's just basic techniques and other fundamentals.
 
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The defense is not bad or average. The problem is actually the way/pace the pats score in a game.

When TB12 takes like 13 plays and 6+ minites off the clock the defense actually performs well, but the moment brady does a 4 play and td or a long pass td, or 3 and out, the defense struggles almost the next series to stop a team.

The pats just need more 8+ play drives to keep the d off the field and they should be fine .

Basically, the pats need to return to a pre 2007 offense.

Definately a valid, good point. I wouldn't say that the defense is that bad, either, was just pointing out why things happened out there.
 
Hahaha thanks man. At one point, yeah I did consider it. Time commitment just didn't synch up with quality of life factor and I had to make a decision when I graduated. I don't coach, did a little pop warner volunteir work for my nephew, but that doesn't really count as it's just basic techniques and other fundamentals.

Are you implying that you're a fraud?
 
Hahaha thanks man. At one point, yeah I did consider it. Time commitment just didn't synch up with quality of life factor and I had to make a decision when I graduated. I don't coach, did a little pop warner volunteir work for my nephew, but that doesn't really count as it's just basic techniques and other fundamentals.

Your true calling is being a preacher on this forum. Speak, man, speak to your disciples!
 
Awesome writeup, as always, and very interesting factoid down at the bottom there. I missed that...

If you DVR'd it, check it out. 3rd quarter after that sputtering before all the directional run plays that dominated. One shot of BB looking at the playsheet with the headset on, another of him folding the sheet over his mouth and speaking into the mouthpiece. Maybe I wasn't so crazy afterall.
 
The Bills have one of the worst offenses in football
We should have blown this team out.
Period

Butler still sucks and Merri got caught jumping the route on Spillers touchdown catch. The only plays the defense made were on Fitzie's poor throws

Wait and see the score against good offenses......
8&8 boys and girls
Count on it

Detroit's gonna score 30 on them on Thanksgiving ...SD, MIN, & GB may very well never punt against this Pats defense...this defense is just terribly shocking
 
Anybody else happy with this win?

-Brady looked awesome
-Gronk and Hernandez are maturing before our eyes
-The law firm had 98 yards on the ground. Yes, the law firm.
-Defense will only get better from here, because you can't go any lower

This team reminds me a lot of the Saints of last year with all of their weapons. I say that because they won a lot of shootouts and only relied on their defense for turnovers not 3 and out stops. The Pats with 2 huge INTs at the end of the game. Thats like the saints last year. Also, remember the saints offense last year against the Jets? They struggled as well in week 2.

The ability to run the ball was critical today. The defense is going to struggle and we need to put up 2007 type points in order to win anything. This team will live or die by the effectiveness of its running game IMO

Not sold on BJGE yet and Taylor and Morris are huge question marks. Anybody know if we made any drastic changes in our blocking schemes today?
 
No, it sucks, but there are people claiming that it's the worst in the league, which it clearly isn't

I posted these statistics a couple of days ago, but it bears repeating again...

Some rankings for our defense through Week 2...

1. Total defense: 26th
2. Total yards: 26th
3. Pass defense: 28th
4. Run defense: 15th
5. Sacks: 13th
6. Scoring defense: 25th

No, it's not the worst in the league. But after today's game, it's going to be near there. Either way, worst in the league or amongst the worst in the league, it doesn't matter. If this keeps up, it's going to be a long season.

It's not the whole defense. It's the secondary, mainly. And in particular, the RCB.

Edit: it would be a pretty decent defense with Bodden in there.

No... it's pretty much 2/3's defense. There's at least one huge question mark at DE (with Brace playing well, otherwise there's two). There's the understaffed and inexperienced OLB's that compound the DE problem. There's the inexperience at ILB coupled with Mayo struggling to get off blocks still. There's inconsistency at CB and one of the safety positions. You might want to re-think your stance. Problems at one position on the defense don't = giving up a high number of points to the league's worst defense.

Furthermore, we were only able force the immortal Ryan Fitzpatrick into 8 incompletions all day. Take away the two gift INT's, and that's 6 incompletions that we were able to force the worst offense in the league's back-up quarterback into. Not pretty. If the defense brings that game into Miami next week, we're going to get chewed up and spit out.

On the other hand, excellent outing by the offense though. We're going to need them going forward.
 
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The ability to run the ball was critical today. The defense is going to struggle and we need to put up 2007 type points in order to win anything. This team will live or die by the effectiveness of its running game IMO

Not sold on BJGE yet and Taylor and Morris are huge question marks. Anybody know if we made any drastic changes in our blocking schemes today?

Nope, same zone blocking, although a lot more outside zone blocking today with BJGE's speed.
 
As much as I'm pleased/encouraged to read that some of you think the D isn't as bad as it seems, and as much as I'm totally aware that they gave up fewer points in the second half, and that S/T's was responsible for one of the Bills' TDs, I can't help but think this D, for whatever reason -- talent, youth, coaching, leadership -- is NOT GOOD. It's not good enough. AT ALL.

Will it improve? I think so. It F-ing BETTER improve. This is worrying, though. That's a BAD team out there in the Bills, and they played with us, from Jump Street. Our personnel looks inadequate, by miles. I hope they prove me wrong. Sorry to be such a buzzkill, but dem's my two cents.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone brought up Mesko's punts? A poor outing from our punter today, but I guess that's to be expected for a rook.

-Jamman
 
Notice how clinical that opening second half drive was? Some above-average coordinators would be really nice.

As a fan, the last thing I'm interested in is how good [or interested] BB is in teaching and developing coaches. Never thought I would miss McD, and I'm even starting to miss Pees a bit.

I wouldn't put the defensive struggles on Patricia; I think they just lack the talent/experience/chemistry to do a lot of the stuff that they need to be able to do. Offense, though, is a different story. Hopefully Belichick is taking over playcalling on a fairly permanent basis.
 
Anybody else happy with this win?

-Brady looked awesome
-Gronk and Hernandez are maturing before our eyes
-The law firm had 98 yards on the ground. Yes, the law firm.
-Defense will only get better from here, because you can't go any lower

This team reminds me a lot of the Saints of last year with all of their weapons. I say that because they won a lot of shootouts and only relied on their defense for turnovers not 3 and out stops. The Pats with 2 huge INTs at the end of the game. Thats like the saints last year. Also, remember the saints offense last year against the Jets? They struggled as well in week 2.

The only time I'm unhappy with a win is if it's accompanied by a significant injury to an important player. So yeah, I'm happy with this win. Division wins are division wins, and you take em when you can get em as far as I'm concerned.
 
I wouldn't put the defensive struggles on Patricia; I think they just lack the talent/experience/chemistry to do a lot of the stuff that they need to be able to do. Offense, though, is a different story. Hopefully Belichick is taking over playcalling on a fairly permanent basis.

I certainly hope not. Belichick is the de facto coordinator of the defense. He needs to spend all of his energy there right now and not stretch himself too thin. If O'Brien really is as bad as some of you make him out to be, then he needs to be handed his walking papers right now.
 
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