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It's not about his confidence. I think he's fine. He is just relying too much on his athleticism, which will only take you so far in the NFL. He has to learn proper technique, and stop being so impatient, and let the game come to him.

Luckily Butler strikes me as a even-keeled guy with a good comportment (i.e. not a meathead), so I hope he's got the mind and attitude to turn things around.
 
You're complaining because we only have four stars on defense, plus developing players Cunningham and Spikes (and McCourty and Brace)? Banta-Cain and Sanders are not all-stars, but cerainly have played reasonably well.

Not complaining at all MG.....Just being realistic.......Very happy in the people that have been and should be consistent overall.....and prepared for the rest of the D that is going to be very erratic and give up alot of yards and points....that is the way it is this year....
 
Stepping through the door over what timeframe? Chung, Spikes, whatever DE we use Oakland's pick on, and McCourty could all potentially develop into elite players over the next few years.

I meant this year.

On a positive note, we got a W with the young players getting some valuable gametime experience. The young guys will improve, adjustments will be made on D (hopefully the players can carry them out), and McCourty may end up being the best pick in the entire draft. Looking like Warren is a decent pass rusher too.
 
You're complaining because we only have four stars on defense, plus developing players Cunningham and Spikes (and McCourty and Brace)? Banta-Cain and Sanders are not all-stars, but cerainly have played reasonably well.

This team doesn't have four stars on defense. It has 3 players who are above average, one on each level:

D-line: Wilfork is the game's best NT

LB: Mayo is good and getting better

DB: Meriweather is near Pro Bowl when he's not screwing around.


The rest are all currently average or below, IMO. How much improvement we see from those other players is what's going to be key moving forward.
 
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This team doesn't have four stars on defense. It has 3 players who are above average, one on each level:

D-line: Wilfork is the game's best NT

LB: Mayo is good and getting better

DB: Meriweather is near Pro Bowl when he's not screwing around.


The rest are all currently average or below. How much improvement we see from those other players is what's going to be key moving forward.

A healthy Bodden and a healthy Warren are both above average.
 
This team doesn't have four stars on defense. It has 3 players who are above average, one on each level:

D-line: Wilfork is the game's best NT

LB: Mayo is good and getting better

DB: Meriweather is near Pro Bowl when he's not screwing around.


The rest are all currently average or below, IMO. How much improvement we see from those other players is what's going to be key moving forward.

Mayo is average with the odd very good play.

Meriweather is as near to a probowl right now as Chung is.

I'm not as down on this offense as others are, but lets not make something of people when they really aren't that good.
 
Mayo is average with the odd very good play.

Meriweather is as near to a probowl right now as Chung is.

I'm not as down on this offense as others are, but lets not make something of people when they really aren't that good.

You're wrong with both assessments. Meriweather is obvious, given that he actually was a Pro Bowler already, due to substitution. That would make him "near Pro Bowl".

As for Mayo, your blindness with Meriweather makes explaining it not worth my time.
 
Anytime you have young guys, there is going to be a pretty significant roller coaster. One series they will be lights out, another they will get chucked on all day long. Today's stuggles were quintessential young guy stuff in the secondary, and tallent stuff on the flanks of the front 7.

The run plays were largely caused by TBC either getting blown off the line or shooting the C gap to try and make a play while engaged. Two gapping only works if everyone is on the same page, and on a few of those plays TBC gave up the gap integrity of the D gap. This was either from kickout blocks or just simple engagement. It was pretty clear though that TBC was directly targeted early in the game. They were cracking down on him, posting him out, kicking him out with a pull, ect...it was pretty clear that they went at him. The reason a lof of those runs were effective was that TBC gave up his outside shoulder, negating the playside flow to the football from the ILB. Flow to ILB has playside a to c gap. It works beautifully when the edge is sealed and the back is turned into the c gap as the playside ILB comes knifing in. His most important job as the edge man is to never allow the play to get outside of him, especially away from the SS or if they are in cover-2, He had a tough game out there against the run, but that was never his strength.

Towards the secondary. Poor angles and rookie errors. They just didn't play well when they were exposed. The most obvious example was when they flexed 21 out to x on Meriweather and ran what basically amounts to a pick route with the slot. With the corner drawn up on the receiver, it gives Spiller a footrace to the pylon against the safety. If it's perfectly executed, it will force Meriweather to take an indirect angle. It wasn't executed perfectly, so it became an angle game with agile tailback vs safety. This is a matchup Spiller should win. However, he won this matchup because Meriweather took a risk at attacking the inside instead of remaining in his zone and breaking down on Spiller. He was gambling. Can't do that in this defense.

On the touchdown over McCourtey, they were in 2 man under. Chung needed to be there to make a play on that ball, as that play is a cover-2 beater designed to drop the ball in between the beaten corner and the safety towards the numbers. That's an experience and recognition thing where Chung needs to read that route sooner and not respect the TE route designed to keep him at home. That's why his Mike is so damn deep in that coverage, let him deal with that. They draw it up that way to pause the playside safety to allow that ball to get dropped in there. Again, youth and inexperience and will improve with time.

Other than that, there were some missed tackles out there that really are inexcusable, but will improve with time.

On the positive side, anyone notice the chemistry these young guys have together? Specifically on the Chung pick, notice how fast all the DB's broke into a perfect wall for him and advanced towards the vacated field. This is going to be one hell of a defense one day, guys, they are showing all of the signs of a young team starting to gel together.

Oh...and anyone else notice BB on the sideline with the headset and offense play sheet during the most succesful drives of the game? Hmmmm....
 
D was poor but trying. In the first half Buffalo's TD was really set up by our offensive penalties. Just piss poor field position. But yeah, I hold my breath every down (ESPECIALLY 3rd down). Buffalo should NEVER convert a 3rd and 18 or whatever it was.

Offense was great. I loved the second half running especially. Hopefully, the penalties will be worked on....can't get into 1st and 20 situations.
 
The good thing about today's game is we had a better second half than the first. This is a great sign because second half adjustments have been this team's biggest weakness the last couple years.
 
The good thing about today's game is we had a better second half than the first. This is a great sign because second half adjustments have been this team's biggest weakness the last couple years.



but we really did not have to adjust to anything....... We kept throwing to our stud TE's......... but in the Jet game it was "air mail to Randy Moss" we went away from our TE's in the 2nd half that game.
 
Anytime you have young guys, there is going to be a pretty significant roller coaster. One series they will be lights out, another they will get chucked on all day long. Today's stuggles were quintessential young guy stuff in the secondary, and tallent stuff on the flanks of the front 7.

The run plays were largely caused by TBC either getting blown off the line or shooting the C gap to try and make a play while engaged. Two gapping only works if everyone is on the same page, and on a few of those plays TBC gave up the gap integrity of the D gap. This was either from kickout blocks or just simple engagement. It was pretty clear though that TBC was directly targeted early in the game. They were cracking down on him, posting him out, kicking him out with a pull, ect...it was pretty clear that they went at him. The reason a lof of those runs were effective was that TBC gave up his outside shoulder, negating the playside flow to the football from the ILB. Flow to ILB has playside a to c gap. It works beautifully when the edge is sealed and the back is turned into the c gap as the playside ILB comes knifing in. His most important job as the edge man is to never allow the play to get outside of him, especially away from the SS or if they are in cover-2, He had a tough game out there against the run, but that was never his strength.

Towards the secondary. Poor angles and rookie errors. They just didn't play well when they were exposed. The most obvious example was when they flexed 21 out to x on Meriweather and ran what basically amounts to a pick route with the slot. With the corner drawn up on the receiver, it gives Spiller a footrace to the pylon against the safety. If it's perfectly executed, it will force Meriweather to take an indirect angle. It wasn't executed perfectly, so it became an angle game with agile tailback vs safety. This is a matchup Spiller should win. However, he won this matchup because Meriweather took a risk at attacking the inside instead of remaining in his zone and breaking down on Spiller. He was gambling. Can't do that in this defense.

On the touchdown over McCourtey, they were in 2 man under. Chung needed to be there to make a play on that ball, as that play is a cover-2 beater designed to drop the ball in between the beaten corner and the safety towards the numbers. That's an experience and recognition thing where Chung needs to read that route sooner and not respect the TE route designed to keep him at home. That's why his Mike is so damn deep in that coverage, let him deal with that. They draw it up that way to pause the playside safety to allow that ball to get dropped in there. Again, youth and inexperience and will improve with time.

Other than that, there were some missed tackles out there that really are inexcusable, but will improve with time.

On the positive side, anyone notice the chemistry these young guys have together? Specifically on the Chung pick, notice how fast all the DB's broke into a perfect wall for him and advanced towards the vacated field. This is going to be one hell of a defense one day, guys, they are showing all of the signs of a young team starting to gel together.

Oh...and anyone else notice BB on the sideline with the headset and offense play sheet during the most succesful drives of the game? Hmmmm....

Man....very impressive. I am not being a wise a## here (well not completely anyways)when I say......Have you ever considered being a defensive coordinator??? Seriously though, do you coach football? You have a great grasp of the D's inner "workings"......good post
 
A healthy Bodden and a healthy Warren are both above average.


Bodden's presence would change a lot of things. He makes everybody on the defense better.

He would have killed Spiller on some of the runs that our DBs took bad angles or whiffed on. There was a reason BB made re-signing Wilfork and Bodden the first priorities of the off-season.

I think BB might need to sign or trade for another CB at this point.
 
I meant this year.

On a positive note, we got a W with the young players getting some valuable gametime experience. The young guys will improve, adjustments will be made on D (hopefully the players can carry them out), and McCourty may end up being the best pick in the entire draft. Looking like Warren is a decent pass rusher too.

Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair way of looking at it. Pretty much what I took away, too. The Bills aren't bad, and guys like Spiller have always given the Pats trouble. And we all know that Arrington isn't the answer at RCB; we need Butler to win his job back pronto.
 
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