The MVP race

[ZoisKing]

Narrative changes drastically from week to week.

I remember when Matt Ryan won. Brady was a lock until the last week. Then suddenly Ryan was the clear favorite.

Just get that SB trophy. All that matters.

 

[jdlboot14]

I might get screamed off the board for this, but I actually hope Maye does not win MVP.
one - I don't think he's played better than Stafford or Taylor (and one of them deserves it more)
two - I don't think winning in his 2nd year, with a LOT more to improve on, before he's won any playoff game, would be helpful for his overall development in learning to grind and constantly improve and retain the hunger to win in every little area.

 

[PatsFan2]

I might get screamed off the board for this, but I actually hope Maye does not win MVP.
one - I don't think he's played better than Stafford or Taylor (and one of them deserves it more)
two - I don't think winning in his 2nd year, with a LOT more to improve on, before he's won any playoff game, would be helpful for his overall development in learning to grind and constantly improve and retain the hunger to win in every little area.

I don't know about that: Mayes is surrounded by decent people: from family to his professional life. Maye is very humble: humility will take him very far both on and off the football field. Maye is on the verge of being Great the sky's the limit.

 

[TommyD4207]

I might get screamed off the board for this, but I actually hope Maye does not win MVP.
one - I don't think he's played better than Stafford or Taylor (and one of them deserves it more)
two - I don't think winning in his 2nd year, with a LOT more to improve on, before he's won any playoff game, would be helpful for his overall development in learning to grind and constantly improve and retain the hunger to win in every little area.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I might get screamed off the board for this, but I actually hope Maye does not win MVP.
one - I don't think he's played better than Stafford or Taylor (and one of them deserves it more)
two - I don't think winning in his 2nd year, with a LOT more to improve on, before he's won any playoff game, would be helpful for his overall development in learning to grind and constantly improve and retain the hunger to win in every little area.

I'm not worried about that.
One thing seems clearly evident, Maye has the skills, but just as importantly, the will/desire/humility and work ethic to be great.
The NFL is full of world class athletes, it's really the guys with the intangibles and insatiable drive for greatness that usually reach the top of the mountain.

 

[ZoisKing]

I might get screamed off the board for this, but I actually hope Maye does not win MVP.
one - I don't think he's played better than Stafford or Taylor (and one of them deserves it more)
two - I don't think winning in his 2nd year, with a LOT more to improve on, before he's won any playoff game, would be helpful for his overall development in learning to grind and constantly improve and retain the hunger to win in every little area.

I think its cool that everyone is seeing his potential.

Regardless, I feel like he is maxing out everyone. His line has played okay but hes had to become quite the playmaker. Some of these throws under all the pressure hes faced are just truly elite skill and ball placement.

Kid can do it all.

 

[Vindicate]

Let’s clear this up.
It’s the way you wrote it.
I understand your stance, you would rather a deep playoff run, as would any real fan.
When you wrote “maybe it’s just me”, I’m saying it’s not just you, every real fan would take team success over player accolades.
So, we both agree, team success is paramount.
I was simply saying it’s not just you!
No axe, no grinding wheel my friend.

@PatsFan2 he's totally lying, he DM's me every day saying "God I gotta grind my axe with this guy"

 

[The Brandon Five]

If Mayfield wants to win it he's going to have to keep playing like this and the Bucs get the 1 seed.

The reason they have Mahomes as the fav still is they think they've got past the hardest part of their schedule and can rattle off 5/6/7 game winning streak at some point and end with the 1 seed, the MVP is nearly always the QB on the team with the best record you need to win 12+ games to have a shot.

They like to sell it as "most valuable" but you can throw 55 TDs and go 10-7 by winning a bunch of games 43-40 and you would still lose to the 14-3 QB with 40 TDs.

When was the last time a QB whose team didn't have one of the best 3 records in the league won it?

2021 Rams (12-5, 4 seed)

2020 Bucs (11-5, 5 seed)

2011 Giants (9-7, 4 seed)

2010 Packers (10-6, 6 seed)

2007 Giants (10-6, 5 seed)

 

[Huckleberry1]

You'd be surprised. I remember Colts fans back in the day caring WAY more about Peyton Manning's MVPs than actually winning Super Bowls.

Totally understandable. They had already achieved the team goal of making the playoffs and losing. Up goes a banner and rings for everyone. And to top it all off a live concert with the Jim Irsay cover band and The Crackheads.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And you misunderstood what I said: read what I said again. You're the only one who seem not to understand it. You sound like you have an axe to grind.

No, you were right the first time 2, it's just you. You're the only fan who would rather see them win the Super Bowl than Maye win the MVP.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I might get screamed off the board for this, but I actually hope Maye does not win MVP.
one - I don't think he's played better than Stafford or Taylor (and one of them deserves it more)
two - I don't think winning in his 2nd year, with a LOT more to improve on, before he's won any playoff game, would be helpful for his overall development in learning to grind and constantly improve and retain the hunger to win in every little area.

Disagree completely. If he deserves it he should get it. Mayes head is on straight, and getting awards isn't going to change him into a diva. He has a coach that is going to push him to get better and better, and he's got the intelligence and work ethic to do just that. I have no concerns about Drake Maye at all.

 

[Betterthanmost]

I really don’t like all this MVP talk. Not a tam award. What does it really do for us ? And why do we care if he is MVP or not? Perhaps I need some education.

 

[farn]

Imagine how great Brady was and how he won more SBs than MVPs. That is fine. Because winning is everything. Maye MVP. Cute. Who cares ? SB ? I care a lot.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

2021 Rams (12-5, 4 seed)

2020 Bucs (11-5, 5 seed)

2011 Giants (9-7, 4 seed)

2010 Packers (10-6, 6 seed)

2007 Giants (10-6, 5 seed)

That post was about the seed/record of the QB winning the MVP not the Super Bowl.

 

[The Gr8est]

Well I don't mean the wheels will fully come off... but they will run in more TDs at the goal line instead of pass. Stafford will have a few ints. He'll have some bad games. I think he ends the year 40 TDs 7 Ints or something like that. Still really good. But considering he doesn't run well at all and Maye has done what he's done with a lot less, he can beat that.

If Stafford ends something like 41 TDs 7 Ints 66% 7.8YPA and 4500 yards or something.
Maye ends 33 TDs 8 Ints 500 rushing yards 4 rushing 71% 8.8YPA an 4400 yards. I think you give it to Maye.

You need to consider he has worse everything... WRs, OL, RB and Defense. Plus a new system to learn. And if they get first seed in the AFC i don't see how it isn't him if they are about this close... Even if LAR also get the first seed.

Now if Stafford get 45 TDs and a similar stat line than the above, that is probably too much, but i don't think that happens.

By the definition of MVP it should be the most valuable.

Who provided the most value to his team?

You can make the case that Stanford is having the better year, but swap rosters with Maye getting the Rams roster and Stafford getting the Pats roster and which team is doing better?

Would Stafford have the Pats 9-2?
Or if each team used their backup QB what are their records?

Does Dobbs have the Pats at 9-2, or even close?

 

[TinhWoodhead]

I really don’t like all this MVP talk. Not a tam award. What does it really do for us ? And why do we care if he is MVP or not? Perhaps I need some education.

its only good for the player: incentive $? more endorsements?

 

[The Gr8est]

I wonder what Joe Milton is thinking right about now?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

its only good for the player: incentive $? more endorsements?

Would also help with a HOF bid if a player is on that trajectory.
But again, these awards have never really interested me.
The only real meaning it has for me, is if a player from the Pats is in the running, well that means the team is having success, so in that regard I hope Maye is in the running every year of his career.

 

[Ring 6]

its only good for the player: incentive $? more endorsements?

Ask Mayes teammates how they feel about it. It’s a team award, every player will take pride in their teammate being honored and feel like they contributed.

 

[TommyD4207]

I wonder what Joe Milton is thinking right about now?

Lunch, probably.