The Las Vegas Raiders - are you F*cking kidding me.

[pmb116]

No, he threatened to move when Bill Weld set him up with a lot of promises he couldn't keep when he wanted to build a stadium in South Boston along with the convention center, etc. Kraft thought he'd been made a sucker of. He was definitely pissed and the Governor of CT seeing this thought he could get the stadium built in Hartford and steal the Pats from MA. So he offered not only to build the ENTIRE stadium on the taxpayer's dime, he guaranteed the sellout revenue, whether they sold out or not. So if Kraft were REALLY just in it for the money, he would have taken that outrageous deal. BTW- I'm not sure but IIRC, that nut bag governor was later indicted of something.

It was THEN when the chances were real that the Pats might go, the legislature finally passed the bill that would help pay the immediate cost of the logistical stuff that is usually given to every private big construction project. BTW- Kraft paid THAT money back over 10 years or so, with parking money. So in the end the state didn't have to pay a dime for that stadium, and still gets 5% of that $200+MM payroll every year they generate from the stadium every year.

So the myth is Kraft used the CT. to extort a deal from MA, but the reality is when all you are asking the legislature to do is what they do for EVERY big construction project, vs a totally free stadium plus guaranteed revenue, that's extortion in reverse. The State of MA does very well from the money generated at the stadium and all the businesses at Patriot Place.

Rowland was actually indicted two separate times IIRC. When he was Governor for having contractors do free work to his vacation home.Also just a couple years ago for consulting on someone's campaign, being paid and hiding why and what he was being paid for. He's a peach. But I digress....

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[mosslost]

stay in Oakland

 

[Bradyking12]

It seems like the Nfl is covertly trying to sway away from traditional football stadiums and run with domes/retractable roofs (Vikings/Falcons/New Rams stadium/Proposed Chargers stadium/Vegas raiders if it pulls through) wouldn't be surprised if in the future its a mandatory requirement that every stadium follows suit with having a dome or retractable roof meaning no more rain/snow/freezing games continuing the softening of the NFL along with the excessive nancy flags

 

[MainePatsFan26]

It seems like the Nfl is covertly trying to sway away from traditional football stadiums and run with domes/retractable roofs (Vikings/Falcons/New Rams stadium/Vegas raiders if it pulls through) wouldn't be surprised if in the future its a mandatory requirement that every stadium follows suit with having a dome or retractable roof meaning no more rain/snow/freezing games continuing the softening of the NFL along with the excesse nancy flags

Do you think this indoor stadiums are appealing because they can serve other functions? I'd personally like a retractable roof that is kept open unless of sub -10 degree temperatures or lightning storms.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Enough with this crap, already. There's a political forum, should you feel the need to vent in that direction.

Sounds fine to me. Is there a way to move this thread over there? Obviously talks of money and public financing are going to bring about political debate, so I guess that's the best option.

 

[Bradyking12]

Do you think this indoor stadiums are appealing because they can serve other functions? I'd personally like a retractable roof that is kept open unless of sub -10 degree temperatures or lightning storms.

Im a fan of football, back then football was played in any element, no aww its too cold guys or its raining to hard or its snowing too hard lets close the roof f*ck outta here its either get your ass on that field and embrace the elements or dont play

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

While I understand the loathing that goes along with this story, it isn't worth a bucket of warm spit compared to the way the taxpayers are raped in order to provide welfare for illegals, as well as let them file for the EIC on their tax returns, when they don't pay taxes to start with, and thus recoup a few thousand more from the taxpayers.

At the least, in a mind-numbingly ironic kind of way, you can see that at least by building and running the stadium you are providing jobs for illegals, though even then I suspect that much of their pay is still under the table.

 

[Joker]

NPL...New Pansy League

 

[Bradyking12]

NPL...New Pansy League

Tell me about im so sick of the flags its ruining moments like you cant even get excited for big plays or touchdowns or crucial 3rd down conversions with out holding back waiting to see if theres a flag or not and now u cant even celebrate after anything without getting called for unsportsmanlike conduct or a lil pushing/shoving and personal foul ejection like this is a grown mans sport, tempers are gonna flare let them flare seems like everything is getting softened up nowdays the back fire of it all is raising a bunch of p*ssys

 

[Tony2046]

I need an increase to my Adderall prescription to keep up with the name changes.

St Louis Cardinals > Phoenix Cardinals > Arizona Cardinals

LA Rams > St Louis Rams > LA Rams

Baltimore Colts > Indianapolis Colts

Cleveland Browns > Baltimore Ravens ( Expansion team in Cleveland ...... Browns )

Houston Oilers > Tennessee Titans (Expansion Team .... Houston Texans )

Oakland Raiders > LA Raiders > LV Raiders ( Possibly name change > LV Gamblers ) ( Expansion team in Oakland who will sue for the original name of Raiders )

San Diego Chargers > LA Chargers


Question: If LA, St Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore et al... were cities bad enough to leave why are they good enough to start an expansion team??

 

[PatriotsReign]

While I understand the loathing that goes along with this story, it isn't worth a bucket of warm spit compared to the way the taxpayers are raped in order to provide welfare for illegals, as well as let them file for the EIC on their tax returns, when they don't pay taxes to start with, and thus recoup a few thousand more from the taxpayers.

At the least, in a mind-numbingly ironic kind of way, you can see that at least by building and running the stadium you are providing jobs for illegals, though even then I suspect that much of their pay is still under the table.

I agree we waste far too many tax dollars on illegals but it's not exactly relevant here

 

[The Brandon Five]

#integrity

 

[PittPatriot]

Today is just another in a series of dark days for the NFL. Today the Nevada legislature OK'd a $750,000.000 gift to build ANOTHER albatross of a stadium so a wealthy winner of the genetic lottery can make even MORE money...

I don't disagree with your post. I am just not sure what the "genetic lottery" part means.

 

[Clonamery]

NPL...New Pansy League

Awesome, my middle name is Pansy. My first name is Nancy. So this league is right up my alley, so to speak.

 

[PP2]

While I understand the loathing that goes along with this story, it isn't worth a bucket of warm spit compared to the way the taxpayers are raped in order to provide welfare for illegals, as well as let them file for the EIC on their tax returns, when they don't pay taxes to start with, and thus recoup a few thousand more from the taxpayers.

At the least, in a mind-numbingly ironic kind of way, you can see that at least by building and running the stadium you are providing jobs for illegals, though even then I suspect that much of their pay is still under the table.

Cost of corporate subsidies (fancy word for corporate welfare): $1.539 trillion

Walmart (richest family in the US) receives a big fat cut of this pie while ALL of its workers are on, and taught to apply for public assistance when they first apply for employment. Please, please go to the nearest Walmart and pretend to apply, and see if I'm lying about this. Or read this:

Walmart collecting food donations to feed employees

Cost of welfare for poor people, such as Earned Income Tax Credit, etc. etc: $158.5 billion.

Total amount of income tax that Apple has avoided paying in the last decade: $59 billion (by sheltering $181 billion in offshore accounts).

Apple, Nike, and Pepsi, are part of most of the Fortune 500 companies that have avoided paying $620 billion in taxes.

Please feel free to call me out on any of those stats.

Oh, by the way, illegals are ineligible to receive any form of welfare.

 

[aluminum seats]

No, he threatened to move when Bill Weld set him up with a lot of promises he couldn't keep when he wanted to build a stadium in South Boston along with the convention center, etc. Kraft thought he'd been made a sucker of. He was definitely pissed and the Governor of CT seeing this thought he could get the stadium built in Hartford and steal the Pats from MA. So he offered not only to build the ENTIRE stadium on the taxpayer's dime, he guaranteed the sellout revenue, whether they sold out or not. So if Kraft were REALLY just in it for the money, he would have taken that outrageous deal. BTW- I'm not sure but IIRC, that nut bag governor was later indicted of something.

It was THEN when the chances were real that the Pats might go, the legislature finally passed the bill that would help pay the immediate cost of the logistical stuff that is usually given to every private big construction project. BTW- Kraft paid THAT money back over 10 years or so, with parking money. So in the end the state didn't have to pay a dime for that stadium, and still gets 5% of that $200+MM payroll every year they generate from the stadium every year.

So the myth is Kraft used the CT. to extort a deal from MA, but the reality is when all you are asking the legislature to do is what they do for EVERY big construction project, vs a totally free stadium plus guaranteed revenue, that's extortion in reverse. The State of MA does very well from the money generated at the stadium and all the businesses at Patriot Place.

Good helpful post.

We shouldn't do the thing that because we're disappointed in how Kraft handled deflategate we decide to indulge in revisionist history and forget all the great stuff he did for this team up until that point.

 

[patfanken]

I don't disagree with your post. I am just not sure what the "genetic lottery" part means.

It refers to Raider owner Mark Davis who won the "genetic lottery" by being Al Davis' son. He really has done nothing in life to earn that job OTHER than being born to the right guy.

 

[XLIX]

Question: If LA, St Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore et al... were cities bad enough to leave why are they good enough to start an expansion team??

They weren't expansion teams in all those cities but to answer your question they were bad enough to leave because those cities refused to fund huge stadium projects and they were good enough to get an NFL team back when they (as a community) changed their minds and funded huge stadium projects.

 

[oldrover]

It refers to Raider owner Mark Davis who won the "genetic lottery" by being Al Davis' son. He really has done nothing in life to earn that job OTHER than being born to the right guy.

https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

 

[Kontradiction]

After seeing Mark Davis' haircut I refuse to believe this man is rich.

Yeah he has a pretty established school shooter haircut. He probably wears Jncos too.