The Drake Maye Discussion Thread

[Ring 6]

Why are we debating whether a 6th round pick should've played over Drew Bledsoe who was still regarded as one of the best QB's in the NFL despite his declining season in 1999?

We aren’t.

 

[Ring 6]

Not forcing an obviously immature player to earn the starting job was not the right thing. It squandered two years of ZW's career and doomed the entire team to failure. Based on what I have read, the experience taught him some humility and changed his approach. I would like to see him turn things around in Denver. If for no other reason than further humiliating the Jests.

It let them figure out what they had. If they coddled him it just would have taken longer. Haven’t turn things around because he is who he is.

 

[gobesmug]

I agree he wasn’t ready. I didn’t say he should have played. I said if he did he would have developed faster.

Do you think that because he won the SB he was perfect? That he didn’t improve from sept to the SB? That he never improved after that Sb?

QBs improve by playing.

No but he elevated the offense from a bottom 10 offense in the league into a top 10 offense in the league, when looking at the offense in 00 and including Bledsoe's first 2 starts of of the 01 season.

So I don't see what further accomplishment you would have liked to see out of Brady in the 01 season. The 02 seasons didn't benefit from Brady starting the 01 season.

If only Kraft hadn't screwed Glenn out of his signing bonus due to the morality clause in contract, otherwise Brady would have had an elite WR his first years in the league. That's the only real difference I can see for the early 00s that could have mattered.

 

[gobesmug]

I think the player is the player. If you can’t handle making mistakes that’s about you not when they happened. You can’t break a guy who will spend his career dealing with adversity by exposing him to adversity. You can figure out whether he can handle it or not. Carrying a clipboard for a while doesn’t change whether he can. You don’t develop confidence on the bench.

I agree with the first sentence but even Brady says that practice is the most important thing in elevating your game. The actual GameDays are just putting into practice what you have been working on.

Maye starting or not starting this year won't affect his career. That's proof with the examples of Brady, Mahomes, Montana and Unitas. All 4 are the GOATs of their generation, and none of them started their first year.

 

[Ring 6]

No but he elevated the offense from a bottom 10 offense in the league into a top 10 offense in the league, when looking at the offense in 00 and including Bledsoe's first 2 starts of of the 01 season.

So I don't see what further accomplishment you would have liked to see out of Brady in the 01 season. The 02 seasons didn't benefit from Brady starting the 01 season.

If only Kraft hadn't screwed Glenn out of his signing bonus due to the morality clause in contract, otherwise Brady would have had an elite WR his first years in the league. That's the only real difference I can see for the early 00s that could have mattered.

You don’t think Brady improved during 2001 and was better in 2002,2003,2004….

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with the first sentence but even Brady says that practice is the most important thing in elevating your game. The actual GameDays are just putting into practice what you have been working on.

Maye starting or not starting this year won't affect his career. That's proof with the examples of Brady, Mahomes, Montana and Unitas. All 4 are the GOATs of their generation, and none of them started their first year.

If you aren’t the starter you aren’t practicing with the 1s.
If you aren’t playing you aren’t “putting into practice what you have worked on”

I just find it hard to believe that people are argue that running the scout team and sitting out Sundays results in more progress and growth than running the 1s and playing on Sunday.

I agree that as far as his entire career is concerned this year isn’t very relevant. But I am concerned with where he will be next year. This year is already shot for this team so the priority should be getting him as much experience as possible so he is the furthest along he can be next year.

 

[gobesmug]

You don’t think Brady improved during 2001 and was better in 2002,2003,2004….

Mahomes best statistical year was his first year starting.

 

[gobesmug]

If you aren’t the starter you aren’t practicing with the 1s.
If you aren’t playing you aren’t “putting into practice what you have worked on”

I just find it hard to believe that people are argue that running the scout team and sitting out Sundays results in more progress and growth than running the 1s and playing on Sunday.

I agree that as far as his entire career is concerned this year isn’t very relevant. But I am concerned with where he will be next year. This year is already shot for this team so the priority should be getting him as much experience as possible so he is the furthest along he can be next year.

No one is arguing, outside of Wozzy, that sitting is better. Most are stating that if he isn't ready to start and Brissett is the better player than Brissett should start.

If Maye isn't looking ready to start by next year, than that starts to become concerning

 

[Stu Pidassle]

If you aren’t the starter you aren’t practicing with the 1s.
If you aren’t playing you aren’t “putting into practice what you have worked on”

I just find it hard to believe that people are argue that running the scout team and sitting out Sundays results in more progress and growth than running the 1s and playing on Sunday.

I agree that as far as his entire career is concerned this year isn’t very relevant. But I am concerned with where he will be next year. This year is already shot for this team so the priority should be getting him as much experience as possible so he is the furthest along he can be next year.

I sure hope the coaches and players don't have this attitude. Even if the season is unlikely to result in a championship, everyone should be focused on winning as many games as possible until they are eliminated from the playoffs. Rationalization and planning for failure should not be part of training camp.

 

[TheRainMaker]

We aren’t.

Yes you are. There’s no point discussing this because he was a 6th round pick on a team that already had 3 QB’s on the roster and wasn’t going to leapfrog Drew Bledsoe.

It’s a moot point whether he was ready or not in year 1.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mahomes best statistical year was his first year starting.

That’s because he had the best supporting cast and was in many shootouts. While the supporting cast has declined each year since then, the improved defense has slowed games down.

 

[XLIX]

I sure hope the coaches and players don't have this attitude. Even if the season is unlikely to result in a championship, everyone should be focused on winning as many games as possible until they are eliminated from the playoffs. Rationalization and planning for failure should not be part of training camp.

I don't think it is "planning for failure" when you recognize you are a rebuilding team and sacrifice short term success for long term needs. There comes a point where you have to put the guy you selected to be the QB of the future under center, even though he probably isn't going to give you as good of a chance of winning in the short term.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I don't think it is "planning for failure" when you recognize you are a rebuilding team and sacrifice short term success for long term needs. There comes a point where you have to put the guy you selected to be the QB of the future under center, even though he probably isn't going to give you as good of a chance of winning in the short term.

I get the point and agree that there is a balance between short and long term goals. My statements were specific to starting the year in training cap with that mindset. Ideally Maye earns that starting job straight out at some point. If that hasn't happened by the time that the team is out of playoff contention, then the team should consider putting him in to get some experience because the team is playing for next year at that point.

 

[Huckleberry1]

My big issue with sitting Maye is the loss of the entertainment value and not getting a quick read on him as a starting QB. First round QB's usually bust and the faster you detect that the faster you can recover. Assessing him quickly is hugely important to preempt an endless rebuild.

With a likely top-3 pick again next year, would hate to not pick a QB if Maye looks like a bust.

If Maye starts and does well, it will be entertaining which is the whole idea.

If Maye starts and does poorly, it will be entertaining at first and then enlightening.

Watching Brissett lead a team destined for the bottom of league is an awful scenario, one in which we end up rooting for losses.

I'll follow the team if they start Maye.

Otherwise I'm out unless Brissett suddenly becomes good and they're in the race late in the season.

I almost never watch them live anymore. I spend as much of my time outdoors as I can, and watch them once I am done with everything else for the day. I pretty much never watch tv until after 8 pm, and then only for an hour or two. That changes a little once winter kicks in, and I’m sure I will be more dedicated to watching them more as they improve.

 

[Huckleberry1]

That’s because he had the best supporting cast and was in many shootouts. While the supporting cast has declined each year since then, the improved defense has slowed games down.

Mahomes has crossed the biggest barrier to QB greatness, he had one of the worst receiving units in football and still won a Lombardi. Like Brady he’s able to lift a team to Championship level even when he doesn’t have the top talent around him. He’s a great QB.

 

[Wozzy]

No one is arguing, outside of Wozzy, that sitting is better. Most are stating that if he isn't ready to start and Brissett is the better player than Brissett should start.

If Maye isn't looking ready to start by next year, than that starts to become concerning

I’ve said since day one you don’t give a young QB the job, he has to take it. Never at any point did I suggest “sitting him no matter what.”

In fact I’ve said numerous times here Drake might win the job on opening day, but if he isn’t ready he isn’t ready. Not sure how you got that confused.

 

[Wozzy]

Mahomes has crossed the biggest barrier to QB greatness, he had one of the worst receiving units in football and still won a Lombardi. Like Brady he’s able to lift a team to Championship level even when he doesn’t have the top talent around him. He’s a great QB.

He also had one of the better receiving units and lost. A great QB still needs his offensive line and defense to be good.

Mahomes looked bad when his line broke down at the end of the season and he was running for his life… so did Brady. There is no secret sauce, it takes a team.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes you are. There’s no point discussing this because he was a 6th round pick on a team that already had 3 QB’s on the roster and wasn’t going to leapfrog Drew Bledsoe.

It’s a moot point whether he was ready or not in year 1.

I’m not discussing whether he should have played. I’m discussing the fact that he would have progressed faster if he played. If he was our #1 draft pick this year on this team he should.

 

[Ring 6]

Mahomes best statistical year was his first year starting.

So you think Mahomes never got better?

 

[Huckleberry1]

He also had one of the better receiving units and lost. A great QB still needs his offensive line and defense to be good.

Mahomes looked bad when his line broke down at the end of the season and he was running for his life… so did Brady. There is no secret sauce, it takes a team.

I don’t disagree with that, but plenty of QB’s have shown the ability to produce at a high level when loaded with talent around them, Brady and Mahomes, as well as other truly great QB’s have shown they can do it even when that talent is lacking.