The Bye Is The Time For An Extension Or Two

[Ring 6]

What's that mean in layman's terms

Cash spent is just what it sounds like, salaries plus bonuses.

Cap is salaries plus the portion of the bonus charged that year.

Example: Played signs 3 year contract 15 mill bonus and salaries of 1 mill, 2 mill, 3 mill

The cash is
Year 1 16 mill
Year 2 2 mill
Year 3. 3 mill.

Cap spreads the 15 mill to 5 mill each year so cap hit is
Year 1 6 mill
Year 2 7 mill
Year 3 8 mill

In rough numbers the cap is 255,000 and the patriots are 40 mill under.

So if they had to spend 89% of the cap in 3 years 255,000 x 3 = 765,000 x 89% = 689850 so they would have to spend 465,850 in cap in the next 2 years to hit the 89%.

However, their cash dorms was 281,000 not 215,000 in cap.

So they only have to spend 689,850 - 281,000 =408,850 the next 2 years.

If the cash/cap ratio stays the same at about 130% that means in order to satisfy the 89% rule they would only need to spend 314,500 in cap $$ the next 2 years, so they could stay about 98 mill under the cap and still satisfy the 89% rule, although it would be hard to line all of those numbers up.

The bottom line is the 89% rule has no impact on them being forced to spend anywhere close to the cap.

 

[mgteich]

What's that mean in layman's terms

Itis my understanding that if we allow Lowe to practice and he gets an extended injured before he signs a new contract, we will be on the hook for $3.85M, rather than the smaller amount we would agree to in a new contract.

 

[TommyD4207]

Itis my understanding that if we allow Lowe to practice and he gets an extended injured before he signs a new contract, we will be on the hook for $3.85M, rather than the smaller amount we would agree to in a new contract.

Or cut him and bring in someone who can actually play the position.
New contract for a guy who actually can't play. Love it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This thread should be amended to ask which players should give money back?

 

[Brick27]

Itis my understanding that if we allow Lowe to practice and he gets an extended injured before he signs a new contract, we will be on the hook for $3.85M, rather than the smaller amount we would agree to in a new contract.

Why bother with that gamble he stays healthy and tacking on any more years when he’s already signed into next year? It’s not like cap is an issue. Hopefully he is at best their 4th OL if he sticks next year. It’s peanuts. It’s not like this team will be pressed against the cap with their stingy owner. Let him play it out and see how it stands. This team has extended enough mediocre or sub mediocre players as it is, don’t need another

 

[mgteich]

Or cut him and bring in someone who can actually play the position.
New contract for a guy who actually can't play. Love it.

Yes, you are one of the few posters who wants no one on the 90 man squad who isn't a potential starter, forgetting that we need backups, camp bodies, emergency players in case of injuries, and Practice Squad players.

I am suggesting nothing other than not cutting a player on the roster, and have his POTENTIAL compensation cut by a large margin.

So, yes, I think that we might sign Lowe to a minimum vet contract with say a $100K signing bonus. And, no, I do not him to make the team as even a #4 OT.

I get it. Some posters want only studs on the 90 man squad.

 

[mgteich]

Why bother with that gamble he stays healthy and tacking on any more years when he’s already signed into next year? It’s not like cap is an issue. Hopefully he is at best their 4th OL if he sticks next year. It’s peanuts. It’s not like this team will be pressed against the cap with their stingy owner. Let him play it out and see how it stands. This team has extended enough mediocre or sub mediocre players as it is, don’t need another

OBVIOUSLY,
If the staff thinks that Lowe isn't good enough for our 90-man roster, then he should be cut on the day after our last game.

IF LOWE COULD POSSIBLY WIN THE NUMBER FOUR OT POSITION, THEN CONSIDER
The current situation has us paying him $3.85M for 2025 if he makes the team of if ends up on IR. And then he would be a free agent.

My suggestion is sign him for 3 years at minimum with perhaps a $100K signing bonus.

The injury risk is reduced by $1.5M or so. If he doesn't get injured and doesn't make the team, we have lost $100K.

In the current situation, if Lowe ends up on the team as the #4 QB, he would be paid $3.85M. Under my scenario, we would have a bottom of the roster backup at minimum pay, reasonable I think.

 

[Brick27]

OBVIOUSLY,
If the staff thinks that Lowe isn't good enough for our 90-man roster, then he should be cut on the day after our last game.

IF LOWE COULD POSSIBLY WIN THE NUMBER FOUR OT POSITION, THEN CONSIDER
The current situation has us paying him $3.85M for 2025 if he makes the team of if ends up on IR. And then he would be a free agent.

My suggestion is sign him for 3 years at minimum with perhaps a $100K signing bonus.

The injury risk is reduced by $1.5M or so. If he doesn't get injured and doesn't make the team, we have lost $100K.

In the current situation, if Lowe ends up on the team as the #4 QB, he would be paid $3.85M. Under my scenario, we would have a bottom of the roster backup at minimum pay, reasonable I think.

He is going on the last year of his rookie deal, which was for ~3.85 million over 4 years as a 6th rounder. Per Spotrac and Over The Cap, it looks like 1.1 million is what’s left for 2025.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yes, you are one of the few posters who wants no one on the 90 man squad who isn't a potential starter, forgetting that we need backups, camp bodies, emergency players in case of injuries, and Practice Squad players.

I am suggesting nothing other than not cutting a player on the roster, and have his POTENTIAL compensation cut by a large margin.

So, yes, I think that we might sign Lowe to a minimum vet contract with say a $100K signing bonus. And, no, I do not him to make the team as even a #4 OT.

I get it. Some posters want only studs on the 90 man squad.

No. You're wrong.
Lowe isn't good enough to be a backup in this league. There's not another active roster he will ever be on because he can't play.

So, you're going to give this guy, who, mind you, cannot play, a new contract and a signing bonus...to be the 4th offensive tackle, and if someone gets hurt, he can come in...and not be able to play.

No one said anything about 'all studs on a 90 man roster', that's something you made up in between posting your passing thoughts as new threads. There are 10 guys on practice squads across the league right now better the Verdarian Lowe. You get one of those guys. You don't sign a guy who can't play to a new contract. That's actually insane, and something the Patriots did plenty of this offseason.

If a guy can't play, you cut them, and find someone who can play, even if they're bad. You're missing the distinction. Lowe isn't just bad, he doesn't have the minimum competency to play the position. Ditto Wallace. Ditto Robinson. Ditto Jacobs. None of these guys would be on any other active roster in the league - and they're starters for the Patriots.

You can and must do better than that. Unless your owner is just cheap, and doesn't care about the actual product on the field, and is more worried about winning the media narrative than football games.

 

[mgteich]

No. You're wrong.
Lowe isn't good enough to be a backup in this league. There's not another active roster he will ever be on because he can't play.

So, you're going to give this guy, who, mind you, cannot play, a new contract and a signing bonus...to be the 4th offensive tackle, and if someone gets hurt, he can come in...and not be able to play.

No one said anything about 'all studs on a 90 man roster', that's something you made up in between posting your passing thoughts as new threads. There are 10 guys on practice squads across the league right now better the Verdarian Lowe. You get one of those guys. You don't sign a guy who can't play to a new contract. That's actually insane, and something the Patriots did plenty of this offseason.

If a guy can't play, you cut them, and find someone who can play, even if they're bad. You're missing the distinction. Lowe isn't just bad, he doesn't have the minimum competency to play the position. Ditto Wallace. Ditto Robinson. Ditto Jacobs. None of these guys would be on any other active roster in the league - and they're starters for the Patriots.

You can and must do better than that. Unless your owner is just cheap, and doesn't care about the actual product on the field, and is more worried about winning the media narrative than football games.

OK, fair enough.

You think that there are 10 Practice Squad players better than Lowe and the team is totally incompetent and can't find any.

 

[Ring 6]

OBVIOUSLY,
If the staff thinks that Lowe isn't good enough for our 90-man roster, then he should be cut on the day after our last game.

IF LOWE COULD POSSIBLY WIN THE NUMBER FOUR OT POSITION, THEN CONSIDER
The current situation has us paying him $3.85M for 2025 if he makes the team of if ends up on IR. And then he would be a free agent.

My suggestion is sign him for 3 years at minimum with perhaps a $100K signing bonus.

The injury risk is reduced by $1.5M or so. If he doesn't get injured and doesn't make the team, we have lost $100K.

In the current situation, if Lowe ends up on the team as the #4 QB, he would be paid $3.85M. Under my scenario, we would have a bottom of the roster backup at minimum pay, reasonable I think.

We have convinced him he is a starting LT. He is going to want 10 mill a year.
Surely he will want more than we paid the RT to play LT and quit after 12 snaps.

 

[Ring 6]

OK, fair enough.

You think that there are 10 Practice Squad players better than Lowe and the team is totally incompetent and can't find any.

They’ve been finding them. On the waiver wire.

 

[borg]

They’ve been finding them. On the waiver wire.

Wolf & Co filling out the roster......

 

[TommyD4207]

OK, fair enough.

You think that there are 10 Practice Squad players better than Lowe and the team is totally incompetent and can't find any.

Yes. And everything they've done this season just makes it more and more likely that's the case.

 

[captain stone]

Agreed, but you still need veteran depth while you're developing them. He's not the worst they could have from that standpoint.

If Wise wants to say here on a One-year, Non-guaranteed, Vet Minimum contract, then yeah I suppose. If not, then... 'bye.

 

[captain stone]

On the small side but the team needs to put him in position to make plays more often before the season ends to see what they have.

Who knows, Bell could be our version of... dare I say it... Jonnu Smith?

 

[captain stone]

My nomination
Hooper

fify

I would also add, maybe, Jonathan Jones...and that's it.