Tebow working on zone-read plays in practice (EDIT: and "catching passes" too)

[manxman2601]

Tebow's got a long way to go - you don't have to cherry pick to mention his screw-ups or bad throws out there - but he also flashes some pretty impressive throws. He really does.

I hope he gives the Pats a reason to keep him and develop him - and by that, I mean, I hope he fills enough other roles than QB for him to be worth the 53 spot. I don't want a 3rd QB, honestly - if Brady goes down and Mallett can't do it, well, the season's lost anyway.

But if that 3rd string guy can contribute in other ways, then it's very nice to have a young guy with potential in development for free. Heck, Tebow, learn to long snap! I don't care...if you've got to give a spot to a long-snapper (yikes), then having it be someone you can call on to spell an emergency here or there AND someone young who may actually develop into something good seems like a smart move to me!

Like many New Englanders, I don't like proselytizing - at all. But I respect character and Tebow walks the walk. I hope he gives them a reason to keep him.

I still think short yardage and goalline alongside Brady is the way to go with him. I have no idea how a DC defends a 22 package of Tebow-Vereen-Gronk-other inline TE-Amendola. Or, swap out Vereen with Dobson to add an extra tall redzone receiver.

 

[sb1]

I still think short yardage and goalline alongside Brady is the way to go with him. I have no idea how a DC defends a 22 package of Tebow-Vereen-Gronk-other inline TE-Amendola. Or, swap out Vereen with Dobson to add an extra tall redzone receiver.

Brady in short yardage >>>>>> Tebow.

If I'm a defense and I see Tebow take the snap in a dual QB package, I look for #12 and try to break him in half. Therefore, no thank you on that one.

If you mean a 22 package then Tebow has to block an edge rusher and do it well. Can he? There is no evidence so far to suggest that is the case.

 

[Demosthenes]

It seems that reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.

That's ok. You are entitled to believe that wins are a QB stat if you wish. Just like I'm entitled to say that is the ignorant viewpoint. Which it is....

/headshake

Whatever you say sunshine.

 

[Demosthenes]

Brady in short yardage >>>>>> Tebow.

If I'm a defense and I see Tebow take the snap in a dual QB package, I look for #12 and try to break him in half. Therefore, no thank you.

Newsflash for you. Defenses spend the entire season looking for #12 and trying to break him in half.

 

[belichick010405]

Brady in short yardage >>>>>> Tebow.

If I'm a defense and I see Tebow take the snap in a dual QB package, I look for #12 and try to break him in half. Therefore, no thank you on that one.

If you mean a 22 package then Tebow has to block an edge rusher and do it well. Can he? There is no evidence so far to suggest that is the case.

SB1 - you are making a very valid point. We all know how good Brady is in short down and distance situations. Plus, he doesn't fumble the ball unlike another quarterback that is currently a part of the Patriots 90-man roster.

Well done....

 

[sb1]

Newsflash for you. Defenses spend the entire season looking for #12 and trying to break him in half.

Newsflash: if Tebow takes the snap then Brady is not the QB on that play and thus he's not getting the blocking that he always gets.

 

[Demosthenes]

Newsflash: if Tebow takes the snap then Brady is not the QB on that play and thus he's not getting the blocking that he always gets.

Actually, if Tebow took a direct snap and Brady just stood there, there's little the defense could do to him. They've severely tightened the rules wrt hitting players not really involved in the play. We can thank Hines Ward for that

 

[manxman2601]

Brady in short yardage >>>>>> Tebow.

If I'm a defense and I see Tebow take the snap in a dual QB package, I look for #12 and try to break him in half. Therefore, no thank you on that one.

If you mean a 22 package then Tebow has to block an edge rusher and do it well. Can he? There is no evidence so far to suggest that is the case.

Yup, there's no reason to believe that Tebow can be successful in a goal line situation. Ok then...

 

[sb1]

SB1 - you are making a very valid point. We all know how good Brady is in short down and distance situations. Plus, he doesn't fumble the ball unlike another quarterback that is currently a part of the Patriots 90-man roster.

Well done....

Yup.

Brady is MONEY from short yardage. He's made 49 conversions in a row on 3rd or 4th and 1. The last time he was stopped was 2005. 2005! Amazing when you think about it.

Why on earth would anyone want to downgrade the short yardage team by going from Brady to someone else?

If Tebow can block for Brady out there in short yardage then great. I haven't yet seen evidence that he can.

 

[sb1]

Yup, there's no reason to believe that Tebow can be successful in a goal line situation. Ok then...

Where did I say that, strawman? I just think unless Tebow can block it's an awful idea to have both of them out there at the same time.

 

[Demosthenes]

"Oh, but you can't take the ball out of Brady's hands EVER, or leave him open to being hit!!!!!!" "It's idiocy and the Pats would never do it!!!"

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- One of the benefits of having quarterback Tom Brady under center more often is that is sets up the possibility for play-action.

Yet last Sunday's win over the Vikings showed that staying in the shotgun can also create opportunties to keep defenses off balance. Danny Woodhead's 3-yard touchdown run in the second quarter came on a direct snap play, with Brady in the shotgun and faking as if the snap had come in his direction.

and

The Ravens' defense appeared to hold, but a direct snap to Danny Woodhead on 4th-and-1 kept the drive alive.

Hmmmmmmm.

 

[manxman2601]

Yup.

Brady is MONEY from short yardage. He's made 49 conversions in a row on 3rd or 4th and 1. The last time he was stopped was 2005. 2005! Amazing when you think about it.

Why on earth would anyone want to downgrade the short yardage team by going from Brady to someone else?

If Tebow can block for Brady out there in short yardage then great. I haven't yet seen evidence that he can.

Where did I say anything about downgrading from Brady. Where did I say anything about "going from Brady to someone else"? You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[sb1]

Actually, if Tebow took a direct snap and Brady just stood there, there's little the defense could do to him. They've severely tightened the rules wrt hitting players not really involved in the play. We can thank Hines Ward for that

Brady won't just "stand there". And trust me, he'll get hit anyway even if he does. Penalty or not. And he will not get the "protection" that a QB would get.

Once he gets blasted and is slow to get up then that play will go in the trash can in an awful hurry.

 

[belichick010405]

Yup.

Brady is MONEY from short yardage. He's made 49 conversions in a row on 3rd or 4th and 1. The last time he was stopped was 2005. 2005! Amazing when you think about it.

Why on earth would anyone want to downgrade the short yardage team by going from Brady to someone else?

If Tebow can block for Brady out there in short yardage then great. I haven't yet seen evidence that he can.

What is even more impressive is that Brady didn't fumble 13 times or 14 times in a single season.

In fact, I can recall maybe one fumble in all of the short down and distance plays that the Pats called Brady to either go over the top or get into the line.

I would rather have a guy running short down and distance plays that didn't have a habit of losing the ball like another member of the 90-man Patriots roster has had.

 

[sb1]

Where did I say anything about downgrading from Brady. Where did I say anything about "going from Brady to someone else"? You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

You said "how will defenses defend that package"?

I read it as you think a snap could go to Tebow.

Any snap that doesn't go to #12 in a short yardage package is a downgrade.

What makes you think a QB who rushed for a miserable 3.2 YPC last year is a good runner to put in such a package?

 

[manxman2601]

You said "how will defenses defend that package"?

I read it as you think a snap could go to Tebow.

Any snap that doesn't go to #12 in a short yardage package is a downgrade.

What makes you think a QB who rushed for a miserable 3.2 YPC last year is a good runner to put in such a package?

Goal line usually means less than 3.2 yards.

 

[Demosthenes]

You said "how will defenses defend that package"?

I read it as you think a snap could go to Tebow.

Any snap that doesn't go to #12 in a short yardage package is a downgrade.

What makes you think a QB who rushed for a miserable 3.2 YPC last year is a good runner to put in such a package?

The Pats have had direct snap plays in their playbook for years, AND they've used them back with Faulk even through last year with Woodhead.


Please point out your posts from that time talking about how it was a stupid idea to take the ball out of Brady's hands on those plays.



Your bias is showing through loud and clear.

 

[sb1]

"Oh, but you can't take the ball out of Brady's hands EVER, or leave him open to being hit!!!!!!" "It's idiocy and the Pats would never do it!!!"




and





Hmmmmmmm.

Whoopee ding dong doo... direct snap to Tebow is still a horrible idea and leaves #12 vulnerable to an injury unless Tebow can block.

By the way: Woodhead 4.3 YPC in the last two years. Tebow last year: 3.2. Woodhead is a great blocker. So far there is no evidence that Tebow is such.

I'd rather see Woodhead in such a package 10 times out of 10.

Edit: Saw your reply, and the same is true for Faulk.


The end.

 

[sb1]

Goal line usually means less than 3.2 yards.

It does, but guys who are worth putting in a special run package like that to me have to be good running threats. 3.2 YPC last year and an unknown entity when it comes to blocking =/= a good running threat

Anyway I'm not really that interested in playing back and forth gotcha games so I'm done with this topic. The end.

 

[belichick010405]

It does, but guys who are worth putting in a special run package like that to me have to be good running threats. 3.2 YPC last year and an unknown entity when it comes to blocking =/= a good running threat

Anyway I'm not really that interested in playing back and forth gotcha games so I'm done with this topic. The end.

Have a good one SB - I now truly have to run and get some stuff done.

Can't wait to see Brady continue to run this offense, including on 3rd and 4th short down and distance situations in the 2013 season!