Tavon Wilson Era Possibly Over

[Off The Grid]

Once again this board descends into some discussion that BB does not know how to draft WR's or DB's or could have made better draft choices, all the while most NFL teams have hits of misses in the draft.. in our Patriot parochialism, this seems worse, despite having 15 consecutive winning seasons.

Indeed.

It's crucial, though, to distinguish, as all too many fail to do, between the Spastic Colons who squeal that Bill Belichick can't do anything right ~ despite a spectacular Record of Success ~ and those of us ~ generally brilliant folks ~ who can appreciate his indisputable Greatness as a Coach and as a General Manager...while recognizing and criticizing his occasional Spectacular Fails...

...such as drafting Tavon ****ing Wilson!!

All you Donkeys who've been squawking for 4 Years that Mad Bill didn't Crap the Bed on that Pick ~ when my boy LaVonte David was available ~ owe me a Case of Sam Adams OctoberFeast.

Each.

 

[DarrylS]

Indeed.

It's crucial, though, to distinguish, as all too many fail to do, between the Spastic Colons who squeal that Bill Belichick can't do anything right ~ despite a spectacular Record of Success ~ and those of us ~ generally brilliant folks ~ who can appreciate his indisputable Greatness as a Coach and as a General Manager...while recognizing and criticizing his occasional Spectacular Fails...

...such as drafting Tavon ****ing Wilson!!

Are these "spectacular fails" any more or less "spectacular" than the norm for all NFL teams?? Or are they unique to this team???

 

[Off The Grid]

Are these "spectacular fails" any more or less "spectacular" than the norm for all NFL teams?? Or are they unique to this team???

What part of "It's crucial, though, to distinguish" did you fail to understand?

Or was it the "indisputable Greatness" part you failed to process?

 

[Danger Zone]

The 2nd round carries with it a 50% bust rate. Period. GMs can beat these odds in the short term, but over the long haul, nobody wins out over the randomness and uncertainty of just what turns a talented college kid into an NFL professional. Nobody.

Some studies have the bust rate has high as 65% by the end of the 2nd round.. which is exactly where the Patriots perennially draft... the worst average drafting position of any NFL team by 3 rounds by the way.

And while nodody beats the draft, Belichick has done a better job of doing just this than everybody else.. all the while drafting with the largest handicap of all 32 teams (average drafting position).

The sad thing is, he is being held to an impossible 80% 90% or 100% standard of success by many of those here.

But the fact is. If Belichick is drafting successfully in the 2nd round more than 60% of the time, we should be singing his praises, not condemning him for failing to do the impossible.

 

[Joker]

I'll GIVE YOU the case of Sam just to SYTFU...BTW, it's Octoberfest not OctoberFeast...unless you plan on eating yeast instead of drinking beer...

 

[DarrylS]

I'll GIVE YOU the case of Sam just to SYTFU...BTW, it's Octoberfest not OctoberFeast...unless you plan on eating yeast instead of drinking beer...

One man's premium is another man's "dud suds"...

Sams Adams forevermore descended into the beer ****ter when they started putting pumpkin spices in beer.. was once a fan of all they produced, less so now.

 

[Off The Grid]

I'll GIVE YOU the case of Sam just to SYTFU...BTW, it's Octoberfest not OctoberFeast...unless you plan on eating yeast instead of drinking beer...

I've been calling it OctoberFeast for a Decade, Genius. And I'll continue to do so, with or without your Permission, thank you so very much. As for shutting me up...It'll take a lot more than one Case of OctoberFeast to do that: My Problem has never been with Bill The Mad ~ Genius.

My Problem's with the brilliant Clowns who can't think for themselves, who resent the living Hell out'f us that can (and who were right when we shouted down the Tavon Wilson Pick 4 Years ago) and lack the Honor or Character to admit that they were dead wrong for defending the Pick all these Years!!

So, yeah: Good luck shutting me up on that one, Joker, Old Hoss.

 

[Off The Grid]

One man's premium is another man's "dud suds"...

It's always amusing to see someone try to compensate by disparaging another Man's taste ~ as if I could possibly care less what a spastic, colonic Illiterate thinks about what I drink!!

More for me, baby!!

 

[Turkamu]

The 2nd round carries with it a 50% bust rate. Period. GMs can beat these odds in the short term, but over the long haul, nobody wins out over the randomness and uncertainty of just what turns a talented college kid into an NFL professional. Nobody.

True, but there is still a difference between drafting a player that is projected to be a second or third round player that doesn't live up to the expectations and trying to be extra smart and drafting a 5+ round talent in the second round.

 

[Joker]

 

[1960Pats]

Are these "spectacular fails" any more or less "spectacular" than the norm for all NFL teams?? Or are they unique to this team???

In a comparison to the other AFCE teams during BB's tenure, the Pats have had more picks but a smaller % of them are still in the NFL. These numbers are from the last time I checked, which was before the last season.

Buff
Total players drafted 132 - %
Still on team 29 - 0.22
Playing on other teams 26 - 0.20
Out of football 77 - 0.58

Mia
Total players drafted 121 - %
Still on team 26 - 0.21
Playing on other teams 39 - 0.32
Out of football 56 - 0.46

NE
Total players drafted 144 - %
Still on team 35 - 0.24
Playing on other teams 23 - 0.16
Out of football 86 - 0.60

NYJ
Total players drafted 110 - %
Still on team 27 - 0.25
Playing on other teams 27 - 0.25
Out of football 56 - 0.51

 

[Tunescribe]

I've been calling it OctoberFeast for a Decade, Genius. And I'll continue to do so, with or without your Permission, thank you so very much. As for shutting me up...It'll take a lot more than one Case of OctoberFeast to do that: My Problem has never been with Bill The Mad ~ Genius.

My Problem's with the brilliant Clowns who can't think for themselves, who resent the living Hell out'f us that can (and who were right when we shouted down the Tavon Wilson Pick 4 Years ago) and lack the Honor or Character to admit that they were dead wrong for defending the Pick all these Years!!

So, yeah: Good luck shutting me up on that one, Joker, Old Hoss.

Indeed.

It's crucial, though, to distinguish, as all too many fail to do, between the Spastic Colons who squeal that Bill Belichick can't do anything right ~ despite a spectacular Record of Success ~ and those of us ~ generally brilliant folks ~ who can appreciate his indisputable Greatness as a Coach and as a General Manager...while recognizing and criticizing his occasional Spectacular Fails...

...such as drafting Tavon ****ing Wilson!!

All you Donkeys who've been squawking for 4 Years that Mad Bill didn't Crap the Bed on that Pick ~ when my boy LaVonte David was available ~ owe me a Case of Sam Adams OctoberFeast.

Each.

It's always amusing to see someone try to compensate by disparaging another Man's taste ~ as if I could possibly care less what a spastic, colonic Illiterate thinks about what I drink!!

More for me, baby!!

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[Nunchucks]

Tavon Wilson
Ryan Mallet
Kevin O'Connell


3 picks BB should have known were bad before they were ever made. Mallett and O'Connell were abominations as picks, and Wilson was picked 3 rounds too high.

If you don't like the Wilson pick, you can't also like the Jamie Collins pick. Both were "reaches" and widely panned.

 

[Sicilian]

The real problem with the Tavon Wilson pick was that Belichick didn't spend the extra Scouting Points to unlock his true Overall rating. Also he could have save-scummed and reloaded the draft after finding out his attributes, not sure why he didn't.

 

[Danger Zone]

True, but there is still a difference between drafting a player that is projected to be a second or third round player that doesn't live up to the expectations and trying to be extra smart and drafting a 5+ round talent in the second round.

I think its (more than) fair to say that Wilson would have been there for the taking at the end of the 3rd round. However, by the end of the 4th?

But others might look closer and learn that Wilson had seven teams that brought him in for visits (Buccaneers, Texans, Cardinals, Falcons, Colts, Ravens, Chargers), while Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Jon Robinson -- along with another club -- worked him out privately.

So while draft analysts might have missed the mark on Wilson, it's not like other teams in the league were sleeping on him and the positive traits that made him a desirable prospect. In recent weeks Wilson was a "travel guy" in scouting circles, the player who has a high volume of visits as clubs attempt to gather more information on him before setting their draft board.

Wilson a reach in Round 2? Not to Bill Belichick

 

[Off The Grid]

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I've long since understood, Scribe, old kid, that your Idea of "good writing" is defined not by Quality, but by Abject, Unquestioning Obedience to what you perceive to be "Good Grammar".

This, of course, is because you are utterly bereft of Talent or Skill, sense this to be the case, I think, and quite demonstrably seek to compensate by painting yourself as an Authority Figure in lieu of actual Accomplishment, this being a common Failing among The Helplessly Mediocre.

I, on the other hand, while honoring such GuideLines and generally adhering to them myself, feel no need to compensate such as you do, and take my Liberties where I like. I admire the Allemanian propensity to capitalize Nouns, and have integrated that into my Writing, which pleases me.

But, hey: If I ever find myself giving a Rat's Ass what a pathetic and infantile No Talent Hack such as yourself thinks about my Writing Style, I'll be sure to send you a Memo.

 

[doesntmatter1]

I was not a fan of the pick but I actually like his skillset. We will be fine if he leaves but I wouldnt be shocked if he becomes a quality starter for another team. If he is cheap I would gladly take him and Wendell back.

Hell, retaining him might even stop us from drafting the next Tavon. Just imagine how many heads would explode if we did that with our 1st pick this year lol.

 

[Huckleberry1]

In a comparison to the other AFCE teams during BB's tenure, the Pats have had more picks but a smaller % of them are still in the NFL. These numbers are from the last time I checked, which was before the last season.

Buff
Total players drafted 132 - %
Still on team 29 - 0.22
Playing on other teams 26 - 0.20
Out of football 77 - 0.58

Mia
Total players drafted 121 - %
Still on team 26 - 0.21
Playing on other teams 39 - 0.32
Out of football 56 - 0.46

NE
Total players drafted 144 - %
Still on team 35 - 0.24
Playing on other teams 23 - 0.16
Out of football 86 - 0.60

NYJ
Total players drafted 110 - %
Still on team 27 - 0.25
Playing on other teams 27 - 0.25
Out of football 56 - 0.51

You have to figure draft position into the equation to have a more accurate reflection of what takes place. The Bills in particular have drafted in top top ten of each round repeatedly during the Belichick era and three Jets and fish weren't far behind them. Given their draft position its amazing that the Patriots have been able to stay on top so consistently for so long.

 

[Off The Grid]

I was not a fan of the pick but I actually like his skillset.

I'm actually with you on that one: I've always liked Tavon Wilson. Good FootBall Player.

It was just the Investment of Draft Capital that I objected to.

 

[Off The Grid]

If Belichick is drafting successfully in the 2nd round more than 60% of the time, we should be singing his praises, not condemning him for failing to do the impossible.

And I, for one, do.