Tannebaum out, Rex stays

[I.M. Fletcher]

I do not understand what you are saying.
There are 32 HC in the league, of which Rex Ryan is in the bottom tier. He should have joined the 7 that were fired. He is in their class, not the ones currently preparing for the playoffs.

What success are you talking about?

I am not sure why we need to pretend like the last two seasons mean more than the two seasons before that. Neither are definitive, but he did come within some plays of being in the superbowl, which is more than 90% of head coaches can claim.

The NFL as it stands right now, has as large a drop off in talent on the sidelines as I can remember. With that said, a coach who has shown the ability to conjure up a team to that high level cant be discounted to incompentant. I do believe he should have been let go, but not because he is a bad coach, but because he is responsible for the mess the team is in now financially and roster-wise. I dont believe in teams bringing in new management with lame-ducks coaches who can be scapegoated within a season.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I do not understand what you are saying.
There are 32 HC in the league, of which Rex Ryan is in the bottom tier. He should have joined the 7 that were fired. He is in their class, not the ones currently preparing for the playoffs.

What success are you talking about?

He gets waaaaaaay too much credit for those first two playoff appearances. Same as his QB. He basically counted his team out in 2009 before they were mathmatically eliminated, and that wasn't some motivational tactic, just stupid, self absorbed, disappointment talking. That team's talented veterans basically kicked each other in the ass and said we ain't done yet. How many times were his teams in those first two seasons the beneficiaries of WTF luck?? That **** is random (even when we benefit from it) and has nothing to do with great coaching. Which is why even with two rings people aren't entirely sold on Coughlin or Eli... The last two seasons Rex has not only been forced to work with less talent he has essentially lost his team. And he's allowing pretty much everyone else to take the fall for decisions he claimed he was intimately involved in until they backfired. Thoroughly unaccountable because reality doesn't mesh with his delusional ego.

He was never HC material and I haven't seen any indication he will ever become that.

 

[Reckedtrek]

I am not sure why we need to pretend like the last two seasons mean more than the two seasons before that. Neither are definitive, but he did come within some plays of being in the superbowl, which is more than 90% of head coaches can claim.

The NFL as it stands right now, has as large a drop off in talent on the sidelines as I can remember. With that said, a coach who has shown the ability to conjure up a team to that high level cant be discounted to incompentant. I do believe he should have been let go, but not because he is a bad coach, but because he is responsible for the mess the team is in now financially and roster-wise. I dont believe in teams bringing in new management with lame-ducks coaches who can be scapegoated within a season.

The primary reason (and any other partial reasons are far behind) that the jets made the playoffs in Rex's first year is that Cincy laid down and Indy didn't even play their starters. Had either team actually tried to win, the jests wouldn't have been in the post season. To be fair, they did well once they got in. Also worth noting, they spent like drunken sailors to collect the talent that they did have. They're paying for that now.

The team that gets hot at the right time often wins it all. The jests didn't have the talent or the coaching, but they got hot enough to get to the title game twice. Once by pure luck, and they failed both times. The organization has rotted from the inside out ever since.

Rex is a DC in a HC job. He is not capable of handling all that needs to be taken care of as a HC. Don't take my word for it. It's not even opinion. The proof is what you see in NY right now.

 

[Ring 6]

He gets waaaaaaay too much credit for those first two playoff appearances. Same as his QB. He basically counted his team out in 2009 before they were mathmatically eliminated, and that wasn't some motivational tactic, just stupid, self absorbed, disappointment talking. That team's talented veterans basically kicked each other in the ass and said we ain't done yet. How many times were his teams in those first two seasons the beneficiaries of WTF luck?? That **** is random (even when we benefit from it) and has nothing to do with great coaching. Which is why even with two rings people aren't entirely sold on Coughlin or Eli... The last two seasons Rex has not only been forced to work with less talent he has essentially lost his team. And he's allowing pretty much everyone else to take the fall for decisions he claimed he was intimately involved in until they backfired. Thoroughly unaccountable because reality doesn't mesh with his delusional ego.

He was never HC material and I haven't seen any indication he will ever become that.

In 2009, he took a Manigni 9-7 team, spend a bunch of money, and was 7-7 before his last 2 opponents handed him games. Then he beat the Bengals and the Chagers Kicker. Certainly the playoff run was a positive in assessing him.
In 2010, he took the team up a notch (by the way you are definitely right that good fortune late in games had a ton to do with the record) and had another playoff run before falling short.
Again, another piece that would be very positive in assessing him as a coach.,
However, what has happened since is what matters most in assessing him as a coach. He did what he did with what he inherited. But his imprint on the players and the organization results in the direction and momentum of the franchise. It has become consistently more dysfunctional in the lockerroom, and in public, and less effective on the field. There are now blowouts. The offense evolved into nearly the leagues worst, and the defense stinks now too.
A coach is about what he builds, not what he does with a collection of guys in one season.

 

[Ring 6]

I am not sure why we need to pretend like the last two seasons mean more than the two seasons before that.

Because they DO. They are a result of what he has built. His personality, work ethic, relationship with players, schemes, decision making, leadership, buffoonness and its affect on the franchise, and reaction to adversity are all things that grow over time to affect the franchise.
How can you not think that what he has created says more about him than what he inherited?

Neither are definitive, but he did come within some plays of being in the superbowl, which is more than 90% of head coaches can claim.

Well that isn't true.
Belichick, Tomlin, Fisher, Coughlin, McCarthy, Payton, Shanahan, Reid, Smith (note both of them are far better coaches than Rex and have been fired) Fox, Whisenhunt (also fired) have all BEEN TO SBs.
That is 11 out of 32, so to say 90% can't claim they came close to a SB is a lie.
Also Harbaugh, Harbaugh, Turner(fired) have been 'within plays' of a SB.

90% would be 29.
There are currently:
Gailey(fired)
Philbin 1st year
Shurmur fired 2nd year
Lewis
Mularkey first year
Pagano first year with the best record Rex ever had
Munchak 2nd year
Kubiak just won 12 games, and back to back division which rex has 0 of
Allen 1st year
Romeo
Garrett
Frazier 2nd year
Schwartz lol
Schiano 1st year
Rivera 2nd year
Carroll who has a better team today than rex ever had

So it isnt 90% its 50% and 9 of those 16 are in the 1st or 2nd year with their team.

I don't think I've seen a bigger fail of accuracy in a statement in a long time

The NFL as it stands right now, has as large a drop off in talent on the sidelines as I can remember. With that said, a coach who has shown the ability to conjure up a team to that high level cant be discounted to incompentant. I do believe he should have been let go, but not because he is a bad coach, but because he is responsible for the mess the team is in now financially and roster-wise. I dont believe in teams bringing in new management with lame-ducks coaches who can be scapegoated within a season.

He is responsible for the way his players have been coached, the mentality of his team, the pathetic leadership, the awful talent evaluation, the ridiculous handling of players, and the overall dysfunction of the 53 players he is there to coach and turn into a football team.
THAT is a terrible coach.
You seem to think a coach is supposed to be an x and o robot, and there are no people skills involved.

 

[Ring 6]

I have said all along that the Jets are a 5-11 team with a 5-11 coach PLUS Revis.
They proved me right this year, going 4-9 without Revis.
They weren't even competitive in 5 of those losses, each by more than 19 points.

 

[BananaRepublican]

Actually, their biggest problem has always been and always will be Woody Johnson.

It starts at the top. They don't have to start off perfectly but they have to eventually learn (Dan Snyder). Johnson will have to learn or it will just be more of the same, hiring all the wrong people, meddling where he shouldn't meddle, albatross contracts, etc.

I'm just not sure Rex is HC material though. I don't doubt his football IQ but it's all the other intangibles and organizational skills that he seems to lack. He's not a true manager type in an organization. He's more a worker type. He'd make a great union man. He's miscast in a role where he has to represent management but thinks union. "Players' coach" they say?

A bold move by Johnson would be to keep Rex as a DC if he could, and hire a proven HC and GM, and then create a structure that they can be successful in. The GM can't provide the structure. That's the owner's job. Man has Bob Kraft done an outstanding job of that.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Because they DO. They are a result of what he has built. His personality, work ethic, relationship with players, schemes, decision making, leadership, buffoonness and its affect on the franchise, and reaction to adversity are all things that grow over time to affect the franchise.
How can you not think that what he has created says more about him than what he inherited?



Well that isn't true.
Belichick, Tomlin, Fisher, Coughlin, McCarthy, Payton, Shanahan, Reid, Smith (note both of them are far better coaches than Rex and have been fired) Fox, Whisenhunt (also fired) have all BEEN TO SBs.
That is 11 out of 32, so to say 90% can't claim they came close to a SB is a lie.
Also Harbaugh, Harbaugh, Turner(fired) have been 'within plays' of a SB.

90% would be 29.
There are currently:
Gailey(fired)
Philbin 1st year
Shurmur fired 2nd year
Lewis
Mularkey first year
Pagano first year with the best record Rex ever had
Munchak 2nd year
Kubiak just won 12 games, and back to back division which rex has 0 of
Allen 1st year
Romeo
Garrett
Frazier 2nd year
Schwartz lol
Schiano 1st year
Rivera 2nd year
Carroll who has a better team today than rex ever had

So it isnt 90% its 50% and 9 of those 16 are in the 1st or 2nd year with their team.

I don't think I've seen a bigger fail of accuracy in a statement in a long time




He is responsible for the way his players have been coached, the mentality of his team, the pathetic leadership, the awful talent evaluation, the ridiculous handling of players, and the overall dysfunction of the 53 players he is there to coach and turn into a football team.
THAT is a terrible coach.
You seem to think a coach is supposed to be an x and o robot, and there are no people skills involved.

I want nothing of a pissing match, so I will leave with:

I believe with a strong owner and general manager who limit Rex's overall impact to the lockerroom and the sidelines, he can be a very successful coach. He was given more responsibility than he should have been, and was entrusted to a bad personnel manager and a worse owner.

I dont like him at all, I would never want him as my head coach, but I would still take him over half the coaches out there, which was my original point.

 

[Ring 6]

I want nothing of a pissing match, so I will leave with:

I dont blame you because your idea of a pissing match is you making incorrect statements and me correcting you. I'd bow out if I was you too.

I believe with a strong owner and general manager who limit Rex's overall impact to the lockerroom and the sidelines, he can be a very successful coach.

The lockerroom and the coaching of the players has been the primary problem.

He was given more responsibility than he should have been, and was entrusted to a bad personnel manager and a worse owner.

What responsbility? Now you are saying they failed because they relied on him too much and thats a feather in his cap?

I dont like him at all, I would never want him as my head coach, but I would still take him over half the coaches out there, which was my original point.

You still have not provided a cogent, defensible reason.

 

[Ring 6]

It starts at the top. They don't have to start off perfectly but they have to eventually learn (Dan Snyder). Johnson will have to learn or it will just be more of the same, hiring all the wrong people, meddling where he shouldn't meddle, albatross contracts, etc.

I'm just not sure Rex is HC material though. I don't doubt his football IQ but it's all the other intangibles and organizational skills that he seems to lack. He's not a true manager type in an organization. He's more a worker type. He'd make a great union man. He's miscast in a role where he has to represent management but thinks union. "Players' coach" they say?

A bold move by Johnson would be to keep Rex as a DC if he could, and hire a proven HC and GM, and then create a structure that they can be successful in. The GM can't provide the structure. That's the owner's job. Man has Bob Kraft done an outstanding job of that.

First, you just don't demote your HC to coordinator, especially one with an ego like that.
Second an owner who stays out of football operations is all you need. Kraft has a great legend here, but really what he has done from our perspective is stay out of the way and let BB run the show. Not meddling is the best attribute of an owner.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

I dont blame you because your idea of a pissing match is you making incorrect statements and me correcting you. I'd bow out if I was you too.


The lockerroom and the coaching of the players has been the primary problem.



What responsbility? Now you are saying they failed because they relied on him too much and thats a feather in his cap?



You still have not provided a cogent, defensible reason.

Am i being trolled? is this some sort of initiation for the new guy?

Has anyone ever noticed how the crossing of the desert is a lot like the blinking of one eye? Which is similar to the wreck of Hesperus? Which is vaguely like the paddling of a swollen ass....with paddles.

 

[Ring 6]

Am i being trolled? is this some sort of initiation for the new guy?

Has anyone ever noticed how the crossing of the desert is a lot like the blinking of one eye? Which is similar to the wreck of Hesperus? Which is vaguely like the paddling of a swollen ass....with paddles.

Ummm, you are making a poor argument which I am disagreeing with and giving facts to back up my opinion. Kind of what a message board is about.

 

[The Gr8est]

Gawd I hope the Rats reach for a QB in the 1st round while Rex tries to save his job.

:rocker: