Steven Jackson!

[RobertWeathers]

Things didn't fly with the kitchen.
39's putting on his grill.
Took a whole lotta tryin',
just to get up that hill.
Now we're up in the big leagues.
Got another running back.
As long as we live, it's you and me baby.
ain't nothin' wrong with that.
And the Pats are Movin' On Up!!!

Not a snowball chance in hell a good show like that or All In The Family ends up on TV again...

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

And there you have it folks.

Did I tip the cap too soon, should I have let him dig the hole a little deeper first ?

 

[fnordcircle]

Not a snowball chance in hell a good show like that or All In The Family ends up on TV again...

This post is so Grumpy Old Man that it gave me liver spots.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Got to disagree.

First of all, you're flat out wrong about that ring, Belichick had a Super Bowl ring before Brady even signed an NFL contract.

Belichick is clearly the GOAT among coaches. He would have won at least another ring (to go with that first one) without Brady. Probably more.

Brady may be the GOAT now, but when he came into the league he was a seventh round pick, #199. Most coaches would not have let him sniff the field except in dire emergency, and would've benched him as soon as their high draft pick starter was ready to return. Belichick was the exception, and he and Brady have both reaped high rewards.

romeo and charlie had a SB ring too as a coordinator. so was josh. BB is a great football mind, but this league can be unforgiving. one more failed gig for BB would've devastate BB's career as a head coach.

 

[glm]

Did I tip the cap too soon, should I have let him dig the hole a little deeper first ?

You did just fine! Tell you what, how about I get you a scratch and sniff sticker?

 

[glm]

romeo and charlie had a SB ring too as a coordinator. so was josh. BB is a great football mind, but this league can be unforgiving. one more failed gig for BB would've devastate BB's career as a head coach.

It wouldn't have been a failed gig. Did you see those defenses in the early 2000s?

 

[DarMan]

I think Brady makes the entire coaching team look better. I am in the minority when I say this but Belichick without Brady would not have a single super bowl ring. Heck, I wonder if he would even have a playoff win. Brady is the GOAT and 40 years from now, people won't even believe a player like him existed.

Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as his quarterback. Name another coach that could do that.

 

[Ross12]

Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as his quarterback. Name another coach that could do that.

I'd have a hard time naming many coaches who could go 11-5 at all!

 

[captain stone]

BB minus TFB the GOAT = **** LeBeau.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This post is so Grumpy Old Man that it gave me liver spots.

I'm old but not THAT old.

 

[sb1]

If you watched 2001 it's hard to say that Brady was the only QB who could have gotten a ring with that team. I think a lot of players could have.

He was a game manager then and that's ok cause our defense was too amazing. But he wasn't a game manager long after that.

I'm not sure Brady gets a ring somewhere else because there are too many factors that a QB can't control but I'm pretty sure Belichick gets a ring without him. Which hurts me to say because Brady is more of a hero to me than BB.

I think the whole "game manager" rep that Brady had early in his career did have some basis in reality - but also IMO had a lot to do with Weis and BB deliberately keeping the reins on him instead of letting him open it up and attack the defense. They took the reins off in the Snow Bowl and in the last 1:21 of SB 36 and we saw the results. BB and Josh had the reins on Cassel in 08 too.

As for BB getting a ring without Brady... I think he may have had a shot at one with the Browns if the franchise gave him time to stick around. I don't think he would have in NE. His team was dreadful in 2000 and I don't know if Kraft would have been patient enough to see a few losing seasons like that and let Bill build the Patriots around another guy if it wasn't Drew.

 

[TomPatriot]

Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as his quarterback. Name another coach that could do that.

That year they blew the Cardinals off the field. The Cardinals nearly beat Pitt in the SB.

I think they were the 2nd best NFL team that year - without Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as his quarterback. Name another coach that could do that.

Todd Haley got 10 wins out of a lesser Cassel-led team 2 seasons later.

 

[SomePatsFan13]

Birdman disagreed with my post that disagreed with mosi's post, so he agrees with mosi's. I'ma need explanations from both of them because that statement is on Interception's level of stupid.

I disagreed with your post because you seem to just be disagreed to be disagreeable.

You left two disagrees on my posts without a rebuttle.

But please go ahead and retroactively work your way onto my ignore list.

 

[Reckedtrek]

Sunday can't get here fast enough. I wonder if Jackson plays at all? Maybe 5-10 plays?

 

[wolverinejoe80]

It wouldn't have been a failed gig. Did you see those defenses in the early 2000s?

there were many great defenses which failed to win it all because of a mediocre offense. and it only takes couple of bad seasons and a bad draft pick to make the fans restless and be out of the job. BB is a great coach, but to win a SB many things have to go right like finding the GOAT in the 6th round.

 

[SomePatsFan13]

This has nothing to do with being a homer or not.. this is about being reasonable..

Williams was here on/off for what ? Two weeks ? This is enough time for the coaching staff to get a basic idea of his strengths and weaknesses. I completely disagree with your sentiment that they didn't give him a chance just because he didn't play in a game. You don't prove yourself during a NFL game but in practice before those games and he had enough time to show them anything in order to be kept around. That was his chance.

Also Gray was a JAG and there was no reason to keep him around. He had one big game in his career where he benefitted from the Colts being too stupid to adjust for Cameron Fleming being an additional linesman. He never made it out of practice squads ever after. I don't see anything that Belichick did wrong.

Nah I'll have to disagree.

Jonas Gray was not a JAG (and while I have you here, what does JAG mean? I've been lurking here for the past two years and I never knew what the anagram was for, I just know it means a bum). I reeaaaallly would appreciate it if our fanbase could stop pretending like once a player leaves our team they're all of a sudden the most terrible player to ever play the position. It's annoying and low class.

Anyway, as I was saying, Gray was a very good player. He's everything Blount is, but better in my opinion because he hits holes faster, has better balance and ALWAYS falls forwards. He had a better game vs the same Colts team so why is everyone so hard on Gray again, but not Blount? That's homerism as far as I'm concerned.

And you're actually arguing my point about Williams-- he was barely here. He needs an opportunity to do something and a gimmie game is exactly how you do it. Practice is not full speed, or against a scheme you don't see coming from a mile away. You gauge a guy by how he performs in a real situation.

Think about it-- this is almost exactly Tom Brady's story. Brady hadn't proved himself in practice so he didn't start but he had an opportunity when Bledsoe went down. I'm just saying I think we should have seen what Williams could bring to an actual game.

 

[TommyD4207]

The new twist Jackson brings that I'm most interested in seeing develop is the notion of a 1st/2nd down back that offers a quality receiving threat.

Well yeah, in theory, this.

We had this a bit with Lewis a couple of weeks before he got hurt. Prior to that, teams would key run/pass simply based on the back in the backfield.

Jackson's 6'3" with pretty good hands. Why not split him out once or twice and try to get a matchup, see what happens?

 

[robbomango]

JAG=just another guy

 

[TommyD4207]

Short careers, especially if they've got something a bit off involved (i.e. Broncos cheating, and Broncos blocking scheme), are the toughest to judge, IMO. As you noted, TD had 4 very good seasons, including the one season where he topped 2000 yards. He was also the best offensive player on a team that won 2 Super Bowls.

In the end, it would come down to other committee members convincing me that 4 years was/was not enough. I'd walk into the room leaning towards having him make the hall.

I come down on the other side of that. 4 years just simply isn't long enough. Sayers gets the dispensation for the 'shortened by injury' vote - but bear in mind Sayers also returned punts and kicks at an extremely high level as well.