Somewhat OT: Jakobi Meyers says he didn't feel respect playing here

[Kdo5]

That is where we disagree. You are a pessimist. I am not. We have 14 draft picks in 2024 and 2025 and I believe we can find 2 or 3 more guys like Douglas. You do not agree. C'est la vie.

For a team that has drafted two good receivers in early rounds (Branch, Mitchell) in at least 25 years, yeah I’d say I’ll believe to it optimism when we finally hit one.

Yeah Douglas might be a good one but that was a dart throw. So sure hope a few more darts land.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah Douglas might be a good one but that was a dart throw. So sure hope a few more darts land.

The Patriot's staff coached Douglas at the Shrine Bowl, he was the furthest thing from a dart throw.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

For a team that has drafted two good receivers in early rounds (Branch, Mitchell) in at least 25 years, yeah I’d say I’ll believe to it optimism when we finally hit one.

Yeah Douglas might be a good one but that was a dart throw. So sure hope a few more darts land.

We can sign 3 or 4 defensive guys in FAs (there are good options on defense in FA) and be a Top 5 defense. Then draft 14 guys over 2 years on offense. Lots of options. We have to do better at drafting.

 

[Kdo5]

The Patriot's staff coached Douglas at the Shrine Bowl, he was the furthest thing from a dart throw.

Interesting. Well if they liked him so much and thought he’d be a legit starter you’d think wouldn’t have waited until round 6 to pick him. It’s not like Bill is shy on reaching and taking guys long before projected.

Sounds more like they took a flier on him.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Interesting. Well if they liked him so much and thought he’d be a legit starter you’d think wouldn’t have waited until round 6 to pick him. It’s not like Bill is shy on reaching and taking guys long before projected.

Sounds more like they took a flier on him.

Even more reason why I think he was more of a TB80 pick (since he coached him at Shrine) and had to really convince BB to take him.

 

[Wozzy]

Interesting. Well if they liked him so much and thought he’d be a legit starter you’d think wouldn’t have waited until round 6 to pick him. It’s not like Bill is shy on reaching and taking guys long before projected.

Sounds more like they took a flier on him.

Why? He played at Liberty college, the draft was loaded with small quick explosive WR’s. He wouldn’t go early just because the Pat’s liked him.

Every year over 1000+ players enter the draft, 200 or so get jobs. There’s only 32 teams who get an average of 7 picks/rounds.

There are no picks teams consider throwaway picks or fliers. Draft ”pick,” the definition is in the name. There are no lucky picks.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The Patriot's staff coached Douglas at the Shrine Bowl, he was the furthest thing from a dart throw.

Taking advantage of opportunities to coach all star games is a tried and true method to find players. In the old days BB used to use the Pro Bowl to recruit free agents.

 

[RIpats88]

The Patriot's staff coached Douglas at the Shrine Bowl, he was the furthest thing from a dart throw.

only taking receivers in the 6th round and hoping they pan out is basically a dart throw.....unless thats how teams should build their offense. by hoping 6th and 7th rounders pan out. douglas panned out...boutte looks like he will not.

 

[RIpats88]

1 million dollar difference and the Patriots wouldn't budge. As the saying goes, "Penny-wise, pound-foolish." Meaning you might have scraped a penny worth of savings but you lost a lot more in the process. This just sounds dumb. Jakobi Meyers knew the Patriots offensive system and performed well in it. Why would you throw that away so easily over a 1 million dollar difference in demands from the player and the offer the team gave? SMH.

its indicative of how Bill has always built this roster. so I find it funny when the IBWT crowd poo poos this report.

he refused to budge with Hopkins either who signed for a very reasonable 1 year deal. and theres a reason that Duggar/Onwenu are free agents now and we may have to pay top dollar.

All this being cheap and holding players feet to the fire is okay when you are drafting their replacements well and have Tom brady and are competing for super bowls. Its another to act this way when you are coming off a sub .500 season with holes all over the roster and have mac jones as your QB. It's ultimately why bill is not here. we are a sub .500 non playoff team asking players to take discounts to come here.

and Bill would've done the same this year even with us winning 4 games...

 

[Wozzy]

only taking receivers in the 6th round and hoping they pan out is basically a dart throw.....unless thats how teams should build their offense. by hoping 6th and 7th rounders pan out. douglas panned out...boutte looks like he will not.

Some of the best WR's in the playoffs this season:

Cooper Kupp = 3rd round pick
Nico Collins = 3rd round pick
Tank Dell = 3rd round pick
Amon-Ra St. Brown = 4th round pick
Josh Reynolds = 4th round pick
Romeo Doubs = 4th round pick
Puka Nacua = 5th round pick
Stefon Diggs = 5th round pick
Tyreek Hill = 5th round pick

Yeah... all dart throws.

You only have 7 picks on average, the definition is literally written into the title... draft "pick."

There are no dart throws, teams spend millions on scouting departments. A third of the NFL is made-up of UDFA's. Teams use a pick so they control that specific player's rights, it's very intentional.

 

[RIpats88]

Some of the best WR's in the playoffs this season:

Cooper Kupp = 3rd round pick
Nico Collins = 3rd round pick
Tank Dell = 3rd round pick
Amon-Ra St. Brown = 4th round pick
Josh Reynolds = 4th round pick
Romeo Doubs = 4th round pick
Puka Nacua = 5th round pick
Stefon Diggs = 5th round pick
Tyreek Hill = 5th round pick

Yeah... all dart throws.

You only have 7 picks on average, the definition is literally written into the title... draft "pick."

There are no dart throws, teams spend millions on scouting departments. A third of the NFL is made-up of UDFA's. Teams use a pick so they control that specific player's rights, it's very intentional.

i'm not saying that no players ever develop as 6th round picks. but id gather the success rate of receivers drafted higher as a total vs in the 6th round is a much higher % its a crapshoot

its why boutte looks like a bust and Douglas looks good. both easily could've been busts.

also, why did you mention guys drafted all higher than the 6th?

so your argument is the team should continue drafting how they did last year? take defense first 4 rounds and pray offense works out 5th and later?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Can Jakobi shut up already? Dude is a mediocre #2 talking like we missed out because we didn't want to pay prime Moss. Wish he stayed but please stop acting like it was one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history

 

[Jim Beankie]

only taking receivers in the 6th round and hoping they pan out is basically a dart throw.....unless thats how teams should build their offense. by hoping 6th and 7th rounders pan out. douglas panned out...boutte looks like he will not.

They tried taking receivers in the 1st and 2nd very recently and they accidentally stabbed themselves in the forehead with the dart, so 6th round was safer.

 

[Kdo5]

Can Jakobi shut up already? Dude is a mediocre #2 talking like we missed out because we didn't want to pay prime Moss. Wish he stayed but please stop acting like it was one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history

Maybe you should actually watch his interview before you say a bunch of BS.

 

[lancerman]

Can Jakobi shut up already? Dude is a mediocre #2 talking like we missed out because we didn't want to pay prime Moss. Wish he stayed but please stop acting like it was one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history

I mean it was an objectively bad decision to get rid of our best WR on the roster and replace him with Juju. Especially if it was over a million dollars. Meyers went to a team and looked good. We ended up having the most inept and least productive offense in the league.

Meyers is a #2 at best, his problem here is that he was asked to be a #1. We have a team full of #3's and maybe some can take the step to #2. But at the end of the day, we need a game breaker to maximize what those guys can do.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I mean it was an objectively bad decision to get rid of our best WR on the roster and replace him with Juju. Especially if it was over a million dollars. Meyers went to a team and looked good. We ended up having the most inept and least productive offense in the league.

Meyers is a #2 at best, his problem here is that he was asked to be a #1. We have a team full of #3's and maybe some can take the step to #2. But at the end of the day, we need a game breaker to maximize what those guys can do.

While there's no doubt letting him walk over potentially $1M (or $1M per year) and extending Parker and signing Juju were terrible moves, the Pats aren't missing much with Meyers gone. Was he really the difference between the Pats winning 4 games less than in 2022? Aside from gaining 4 more TD's, he had the same amount of yards in 16 games in 2023 as the #2 drawing favorable coverage than in 2022 playing in 14 games as the #1. So I wouldn't say "he looked "good" as he's pretty much the same guy he was in NE.

The media and some fans are acting like this was Curtis Martin 2.0.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Maybe you should actually watch his interview before you say a bunch of BS.

I don't care. I don't know why his name is still coming up around here. Mfs losing way too much sleep over such a mediocre WR just because we're so WR starved.

 

[Wozzy]

i'm not saying that no players ever develop as 6th round picks. but id gather the success rate of receivers drafted higher as a total vs in the 6th round is a much higher % its a crapshoot

its why boutte looks like a bust and Douglas looks good. both easily could've been busts.

Boutte only looks like a bust because he's a dunce who can't stay out of trouble, Douglas looks like a player.

One has nothing to do with another, the draft is a crapshoot, and WR's fail at a higher rate than any offensive player in the draft. So take a machine gun approach and pepper it with mid to late round draft picks and sign UDFA's.

also, why did you mention guys drafted all higher than the 6th?

The best WR in the NFL is Tyreek Hill, he was a 5th round pick... so was Stefon Diggs. So a 6th is a dart throw but not a 5th... this is real scientific.

so your argument is the team should continue drafting how they did last year? take defense first 4 rounds and pray offense works out 5th and later?

That's ^ you trying to put words in my mouth.

The Patriots should bring as many of their own free agents back as possible, and spend their entire draft capital on offense. They ranked 32nd in offense, but that starts with a QB and a LT. Then they can spend the other five picks on weapons... and potentially a kicker.

 

[RIpats88]

While there's no doubt letting him walk over potentially $1M (or $1M per year) and extending Parker and signing Juju were terrible moves, the Pats aren't missing much with Meyers gone. Was he really the difference between the Pats winning 4 games less than in 2022? Aside from gaining 4 more TD's, he had the same amount of yards in 16 games in 2023 as the #2 drawing favorable coverage than in 2022 playing in 14 games as the #1. So I wouldn't say "he looked "good" as he's pretty much the same guy he was in NE.

The media and some fans are acting like this was Curtis Martin 2.0.

If you swap Juju and Parker for Meyers/Hopkins (an 800 yard receiver and a 1000 yard receiver) I would think the offense could've been better enough to win more games this year. and it was very doable for us to have both and trot out a core of

Hopkins/Meyers/Bourne/Douglas...

 

[TomPatriot]

Then they can spend the other five picks on weapons... and potentially a kicker.

I suspect there will be a camp comp with Ryland and a bunch of FAs and UDFAs. I am guessing a big reason Springer was hired was to fix Ryland.