So Michael Sam Is Gay, Who Cares? Can He Rush The QB?

[PP2]

From my perspective it is extremely relevant

Just because it is your perspective does not mean I agree. I do not disagree that bigotry towards gay people is bigotry towards people in general, but that is not the subject of this thread.

 

[PP2]

By and large, people who disagree that same sex intercourse is unnatural in the context of how nature intended our sex organs to be used for procreation

Then by your definition, impotent men or infertile women are also unnatural since they could not use their organs as nature intended them to.

 

[PP2]

If you're taking away the use of "unnatural" to describe homosexual behavior, you could instead use the words disordered or dysfunctional sexual behavior. Because function is altered for unintended purposes.

I think that what constitutes dysfunctional sexual behavior would constitute a whole book by itself. But from what I understand, dysfunctional sexual behavior affects mental or physical health, or is a direct effect thereof, so it doesn't make sense to try to apply that to homosexuality. From your perspective of procreation, function is altered. I don't think they see it that way.

I know a few gay people who are happy, healthy individuals. This would preclude them from this makeshift definition you are putting forth.

Additionally, what is being put forth by you and Kontradiction and a few others does not fit my impression of those people which is why I am in disagreement.

 

[Boogs]

I think that what constitutes dysfunctional sexual behavior would constitute a whole book by itself. But from what I understand, dysfunctional sexual behavior affects mental or physical health, or is a direct effect thereof, so it doesn't make sense to try to apply that to homosexuality. From your perspective of procreation, function is altered. I don't think they see it that way.

I know a few gay people who are happy, healthy individuals. This would preclude them from this makeshift definition you are putting forth.

Additionally, what is being put forth by you and Kontradiction and a few others does not fit my impression of those people which is why I am in disagreement.

Homosexuality does effect physical and mental health. Gay men have vastly more sexual partners in a lifetime than any other group. The rate of STD's for them is extremely high. That level of promiscuity will effect the mental also. In how you see yourself, how you see others, how you interact with others etc. It's way above the norm. Not all but as a group this is documented.

 

[condon84]

Then by your definition, impotent men or infertile women are also unnatural since they could not use their organs as nature intended them to.

However, I've read a lot of arbitrary arguments and nonsensical comparisons the past 20 or so pages to conclude that yes, the PC Police went pretty wild. Although there was a poster on the other end of the spectrum who also went overboard posting all those wild homo photos.

Wash rinse repeat.

 

[PP2]

Homosexuality does effect physical and mental health. Gay men have vastly more sexual partners in a lifetime than any other group. The rate of STD's for them is extremely high. That level of promiscuity will effect the mental also. In how you see yourself, how you see others, how you interact with others etc. It's way above the norm. Not all but as a group this is documented.

According to the CDC, black men also have a much higher rate of STDs than normal. Does this also make them "unnatural"?

You state that homosexuality affects physical and mental health, but that was not what I saw in the people that I knew were gay.

 

[BradyFTW!]

She fails instantaneously because her definition of rape does not fit with the true definition of rape.



Even after you get past the definition of rape, men are able to think critically on that matter because not all men are rapists. Her definition was terrible and wrong.

Look, I totally agree that her definition is stupid. She was a ****ty person with stupid beliefs. But by her definition, all men *are* rapists, and quoting the dictionary definition of rape doesn't change that. If the dictionary was the end authority, then I could have ended this whole natural debate by posting this:

---
nat·u·ral
?naCH?r?l/Submit
adjective
1.
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
"carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacteria"
2.
of or in agreement with the character or makeup of, or circumstances surrounding, someone or something.
"sharks have no natural enemies"
---

as proof that your definition of natural is incorrect. Even if you're trying to claim that homosexuality is unnatural because attraction to women facilitates reproduction, I'll just point out that monogamy, then, must also be unnatural, since sex with many women will produce far more offspring than sex with one woman. By remaining faithful to a single woman, we act against our 'natural' desires and thus inhibit our ability to pass on our genes.

The point? To claim that gay people aren't capable of rationally discussing homosexuality is ludicrous.

I'm going to go out and assume that you're a white man. If you're not white, substitute your race - it isn't really relevant to the point anyway. If someone who isn't a white man tells you that 'white men are inherently predisposed to evil, and you're in no position to argue otherwise because the issue is too personal for you', how will you respond to that person? For your sake, I hope you would respond exactly as I would: by laughing at that person then telling her to **** off.

Why can I do that? Because this notion that you can't critically examine characteristics that you possess is, simply put, really dumb.

 

[DocHoliday]

I love it when religiously/culturally motivated people appeal to nature as an argument that homosexuality is unnatural.

I find that hypocritical, since very little of their true motivations can be reconciled with 'nature'.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Homosexuality does effect physical and mental health. Gay men have vastly more sexual partners in a lifetime than any other group. The rate of STD's for them is extremely high. That level of promiscuity will effect the mental also. In how you see yourself, how you see others, how you interact with others etc. It's way above the norm. Not all but as a group this is documented.

The same is true for Africans. Are Africans unnatural?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Thanks for the read. Actually read through that at work after I got warned by my company's administrator for my participation in this thread and told to reply to it when I get home.

Yikes, that can't have been a fun conversation. Depends on how they monitor you--won't help if you're being keylogged, etc.--but VPNing up may not be a bad idea.

 

[TyronePoole]

There's some seriously dumb people on this board. Ok homosexuality is "unnatural" whatever the hell you think that means, now what? you gonna "fix" all the gay animals? I wonder what the correlation is between the percentage of the population that misuses the word "natural" in this context and also thinks evolution is a big fat conspiracy.

The fact that gays don't want to change and you want them to is all you need to know about A) what this conversation is really about and B) what the motivations of aggressively stupid people like Kontradiction really are (you know "deep down" even if they don't want to admit it).

Just keep wearing out that "PC police" hot key, it's like the best bigotry dogwhistle ever.

 

[fnordcircle]

Yikes, that can't have been a fun conversation. Depends on how they monitor you--won't help if you're being keylogged, etc.--but VPNing up may not be a bad idea.

I would seriously think long and hard about running a VPN at work. If they're watching for actual web traffic they might also have signatures that tell them when someone is sending traffic to a known VPN endpoint.

I caught someone running an SSH tunnel on port 80 out to his home to send files to his home computer and he got fired for it.

The convenience of browsing on a big monitor is probably not worth it when you can just install tapatalk or whatever and read it on a smartphone. Buying a smartphone is definitely cheaper than losing a job.

 

[Joker]

"Could gays be aliens?"

found THIS online...now I'm scared out of my wits...

Could gays be aliens? - The Landover Baptist Church Forum

one thing is absolutely certain on this planet of ours...the diversity of morons is truly staggering....

 

[BritPat]

Some interesting and unashamed bigotry and stupidity on show in here.

Note made to self about whose opinions I ignore going forwards.

I'd draft Michael Sam just to mess with the heads of some of you.

Well said Dale Hansen, by the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olc5C4SXAYM

 

[Mountain_Commando]

I read this entire thread. For anyone picking it up from the very end, here's the summary:


PATS16N0: Modest gays are cool. Flaming gays are NOT cool!

PP2/BradyFTW: If you don't think gays are cool, you're just a bigot!

PATS16N0: <inserts gay pic>

Kontradiction: Homosexuality is not natural.

BradyFTW: Define natural.

Kontradiction: *something "grieving mother" something*

Joker: <inserts random gag , followed by a pearl of wisdom. then inserts another random gag, or 3>

AndyJohnson: Gays are cool.

condon84: Homosexuality is not natural.

BradyFTW: DEFINE NATURAL!!!

Uncle Meat: We're all going to die!

Nunchucks: No, we're not.

Uncle Meat: GTFO!

Nunchucks: I like something which rhymes with 'floral checks'.

lurker: *something "new husband kills kids" something*

fnordcircle: Do not use VPN at work..../jargon.

rclarr: <'like' every single post>

 

[wizwor]

Just so long as he isn't a Christian, right? This is Massachusetts, right? Kind of tolerant, right? Let the lovefest begin!

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that Jon Stewart is usually the only voice of reason in the media...

 

[Boogs]

The same is true for Africans. Are Africans unnatural?

You and PP2 can't help but put words in my mouth. PP2 made the claim that gays are physically healthy. In general, the opposite is true because of their extremely high STD rate. So therefore you claim I'm saying blacks are unnatural? The discussion shifted away from "unnatural" to "health" by PP2 comments. And it should be obvious. When all else fails, make up arguments the other side is not claiming.

 

[Triumph]

Agreed. Thanks for making my point.

Including the Pats.

This is nothing like Espn and the Tebow fanatics camped outside the gates of Gillette Stadium. Way more drama that a team like the Pats (who does not want to draw attention to itself) wants no part of. Belichick does not want to answer Sam questions the whole 2014 season.

 

[Boogs]

I also want to point out that if Sam is a good teammate and contributing player, I'd play alongside him with no problems if I were a player. That's what it comes down to.