So how do you grade this year’s draft?

[patsfanfromoversea]

You're impossible to follow because you bounce back and forth between Brady's terrible and Belichick couldn't win without him - to Belichick had his finger on the roster and is the reason they've won so many games. I feel like I get whiplash...it's crazy.

Otherwise, I don't understand why we have to even debate the decision to let Brady go. They made it work for 20+ years, they could have made it work longer except Bill felt Brady's window was closing and they stopped kicking the can down the road with his contract. That's why they were up against it. The salary cap didn't suddenly become an issue after two decades for any other reason other than they no longer wanted to commit to him long-term. When that happened, the end of the deal obviously caught up with them, which is just how it works. So people arguing that need to realize that Belichick's decision to move on was the reason for the $$ issue.

I said at the time, I didn't agree with it. They absolutely should have ridden him until he went out and showed he couldn't do it anymore.

At the same time, the timing seems to have worked out in their favor by landing Mac because obviously, as we saw in this past draft, getting a high-quality QB isn't a given by any means every year. Fortunately, he left when he did and we have Mac to potentially begin another successful era.

Again, I wish we still had Brady, but if lightning struck and we landed his replacement for the next two decades, I'd say that's incredibly lucky.

But essentially saying Brady is just a JAG is a little silly, especially given your post history before you did a 180° and went down this road. And putting Stafford at his level is also a little disingenuous. Brady has won more with lesser talent, and you know it. Granted, I get that he had a loaded roster in Tampa but so did the Rams and they endured fewer injuries at the end of 2021 and that ended up being the difference. And you can't use Stafford's lack of playing experience as an excuse, because it's his own fault he doesn't have more.

Good for Stafford, I don't hate him but I thought he was someone who fell apart in key situations. He proved me wrong, and I'm not ashamed to admit I misjudged him. I don't need to stand on a hill and nitpick all the other times he came up short to try and prove my previous point - which seems to be a thing with you for some odd reason.

If the pats would move on from Mac Jones this season and go with Zappe his name would be zappe with his number and he would start trolling Mac

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You're impossible to follow because you bounce back and forth between Brady's terrible and Belichick couldn't win without him - to Belichick had his finger on the roster and is the reason they've won so many games. I feel like I get whiplash...it's crazy.

Otherwise, I don't understand why we have to even debate the decision to let Brady go. They made it work for 20+ years, they could have made it work longer except Bill felt Brady's window was closing and they stopped kicking the can down the road with his contract. That's why they were up against it. The salary cap didn't suddenly become an issue after two decades for any other reason other than they no longer wanted to commit to him long-term. When that happened, the end of the deal obviously caught up with them, which is just how it works. So people arguing that need to realize that Belichick's decision to move on was the reason for the $$ issue.

I said at the time, I didn't agree with it. They absolutely should have ridden him until he went out and showed he couldn't do it anymore.

At the same time, the timing seems to have worked out in their favor by landing Mac because obviously, as we saw in this past draft, getting a high-quality QB isn't a given by any means every year. Fortunately, he left when he did and we have Mac to potentially begin another successful era.

Again, I wish we still had Brady, but if lightning struck and we landed his replacement for the next two decades, I'd say that's incredibly lucky.

But essentially saying Brady is just a JAG is a little silly, especially given your post history before you did a 180° and went down this road. And putting Stafford at his level is also a little disingenuous. Brady has won more with lesser talent, and you know it. Granted, I get that he had a loaded roster in Tampa but so did the Rams and they endured fewer injuries at the end of 2021 and that ended up being the difference. And you can't use Stafford's lack of playing experience as an excuse, because it's his own fault he doesn't have more.

Good for Stafford, I don't hate him but I thought he was someone who fell apart in key situations. He proved me wrong, and I'm not ashamed to admit I misjudged him. I don't need to stand on a hill and nitpick all the other times he came up short to try and prove my previous point - which seems to be a thing with you for some odd reason.

No one is comparing Stafford's career to Brady's. All I'm saying is that the folks on this forum who were drooling over Brady winning the SB his first year in Tampa...well, Stafford did the same EXACT thing. So, suddenly Brady's super bowl win in Tampa looks less impressive. And no offense, you can't fully blame Stafford for what transpired in Detroit. Such an assertion makes no sense.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If the pats would move on from Mac Jones this season and go with Zappe his name would be zappe with his number and he would start trolling Mac

Nah, I would never troll Mac. For starters, Mac would never try to get rid of our head coach as he has too much respect for Belichick. Brady, on the other hand, thought he was bigger than the team and went straight to Kraft to fire Bill and replace him with a loser like O'Brien.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Nah, I would never troll Mac. For starters, Mac would never try to get rid of our head coach as he has too much respect for Belichick. Brady, on the other hand, thought he was bigger than the team and went straight to Kraft to fire Bill and replace him with a loser like O'Brien.

I believe Brady has lots of respect for belichick

 

[All3Phases]

Nah, I would never troll Mac. For starters, Mac would never try to get rid of our head coach as he has too much respect for Belichick. Brady, on the other hand, thought he was bigger than the team and went straight to Kraft to fire Bill and replace him with a loser like O'Brien.

Nah, I would never troll Mac. For starters, Mac would never try to get rid of our head coach as he has too much respect for Belichick. Brady, on the other hand, thought he was bigger than the team and went straight to Kraft to fire Bill and replace him with a loser like O'Brien.

I’d imagine it’s hard to play for a coach that doesn’t want to pay you

 

[All3Phases]

No one is comparing Stafford's career to Brady's. All I'm saying is that the folks on this forum who were drooling over Brady winning the SB his first year in Tampa...well, Stafford did the same EXACT thing. So, suddenly Brady's super bowl win in Tampa looks less impressive. And no offense, you can't fully blame Stafford for what transpired in Detroit. Such an assertion makes no sense.

I thought I already proved you incorrect in this argument? They weren’t the same at all, you just danced around the facts

 

[mgteich]

If the pats would move on from Mac Jones this season and go with Zappe his name would be zappe with his number and he would start trolling Mac

Perhaps we should have taken Malik at 85.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Perhaps we should have taken Malik at 85.

I like the Jones pick at 85, the fourth round is early enough for zappe and a BU QB imo to take a shot

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I’d imagine it’s hard to play for a coach that doesn’t want to pay you

He was the one who kept signing the contracts with NE

I thought I already proved you incorrect in this argument? They weren’t the same at all, you just danced around the facts

Not really

I believe Brady has lots of respect for belichick

So much respect for him that he tried to get him fired

 

[Boomer B]

No one is comparing Stafford's career to Brady's. All I'm saying is that the folks on this forum who were drooling over Brady winning the SB his first year in Tampa...well, Stafford did the same EXACT thing. So, suddenly Brady's super bowl win in Tampa looks less impressive. And no offense, you can't fully blame Stafford for what transpired in Detroit. Such an assertion makes no sense.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I wasn't the one who hijacked this thread. And why is that you never post about current patriots topics, but only seem to show up when it's about Tommy?

 

[Boomer B]

I wasn't the one who hijacked this thread. And why is that you never post about current patriots topics, but only seem to show up when it's about Tommy?

Lots of posts on current Patriots topics. I’ve posted in the draft section, I’ve posted in multiple topics about draft picks, how our offence looks, etc.. but I’ll always call you out on your Brady nonsense.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Lots of posts on current Patriots topics. I’ve posted in the draft section, I’ve posted in multiple topics about draft picks, how our offence looks, etc.. but I’ll always call you out on your Brady nonsense.

My usual response to stuff Boomer says is "Okay Boomer," which is just because his name really does call for that response, even though I am super old and he is not. It's like if his name were "Litoral Combat," wtf did you THINK was going to happen?

But he's so right on this, as is @Ian. BB's/TFB's interests diverged. Neither of them has been taking shots. It's just some pats fans who can't just let it go.

I haven't dived into "proving/disproving" this thing about TFB tried to get BB fired blah blah blah. If true, well that's an interesting detail about a former player, move on. More likely, it's one more damn rumor. I feel bad about even putting more fuel into this.

It's 3 years on, we just drafted (the New England Patriots that is), let's just move on.

My draft grade? I'll give it a Shroedinger's A/F. That's always the case, but this year's draft wasn't just Shroedinger's, it was Shroedinger's AF.

 

[Wozzy]

You're impossible to follow because you bounce back and forth between Brady's terrible and Belichick couldn't win without him - to Belichick had his finger on the roster and is the reason they've won so many games. I feel like I get whiplash...it's crazy.

Otherwise, I don't understand why we have to even debate the decision to let Brady go. They made it work for 20+ years, they could have made it work longer except Bill felt Brady's window was closing and they stopped kicking the can down the road with his contract. That's why they were up against it. The salary cap didn't suddenly become an issue after two decades for any other reason other than they no longer wanted to commit to him long-term. When that happened, the end of the deal obviously caught up with them, which is just how it works. So people arguing that need to realize that Belichick's decision to move on was the reason for the $$ issue.

I said at the time, I didn't agree with it. They absolutely should have ridden him until he went out and showed he couldn't do it anymore.

At the same time, the timing seems to have worked out in their favor by landing Mac because obviously, as we saw in this past draft, getting a high-quality QB isn't a given by any means every year. Fortunately, he left when he did and we have Mac to potentially begin another successful era.

Again, I wish we still had Brady, but if lightning struck and we landed his replacement for the next two decades, I'd say that's incredibly lucky.

But essentially saying Brady is just a JAG is a little silly, especially given your post history before you did a 180° and went down this road. And putting Stafford at his level is also a little disingenuous. Brady has won more with lesser talent, and you know it. Granted, I get that he had a loaded roster in Tampa but so did the Rams and they endured fewer injuries at the end of 2021 and that ended up being the difference. And you can't use Stafford's lack of playing experience as an excuse, because it's his own fault he doesn't have more.

Good for Stafford, I don't hate him but I thought he was someone who fell apart in key situations. He proved me wrong, and I'm not ashamed to admit I misjudged him. I don't need to stand on a hill and nitpick all the other times he came up short to try and prove my previous point - which seems to be a thing with you for some odd reason.

Saying Brady is a jag is absurd… that being said he was a free agent who left on his own.

Also the team didn’t hit a salary cap impasse because of Tom’s salary alone. By the end of 2019 over a quarter of the Pats cap was spent on 72 players dead cap and Stephon Gilmore.

From 2014 on they went all in and started kicking cap down the road, including reworking Gilmore’s contract twice to sign free agents at the trade deadline. They used Tom, Gronk, Gilmore, Cannon’s and others contracts as a slush fund to create depth.

By the end of 2019 they could have afforded to sign Tom and not much else… the team would have sucked. It was the right move for both player and team to move on… even if the Brady zealots can’t accept it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This is going in a very weird direction discussing Stafford vs Brady.

Talk about going down the “rabbit hole”.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Perhaps we should have taken Malik at 85.

The Patriots aren't interested in athletic quarterbacks, that's why we passed on Lamar Jackson a few years back, and I doubt Malik Willis will turn out anywhere as good as Jackson. LJ went in the 1st for a reason, MW went in the 3rd for a reason.

In any case the Pats seem to prefer pocket passers who can run their offense and quickly make the correct reads that those complex WR option routes require.

Good film study breaking down what NE WRs have to do and the reads the QB needs to make based on defensive leverages and the called play here:


As you can see you need to process very quickly, make the correct read and throw. If you're not on the same page with your WR, a pass deflection or interception can easily happen, but when it works its nearly indefensible because you're taking what the defense gives you and using their own leverages against them. This is probably what drove the Steelers DC mad, that Brady could pick them apart over and over again.

Brady's pre-snap reads, manipulation of the defense, processing speed, and release speed are pretty much unmatched even if you could easily name 10 QB's with stronger arms or more 'arm talent' as they like to call it these days. Brady still outproduced Aaron Rodgers in his 'MVP' award winning season last year.

 

[RodThePat]

I have no idea why the same poster can be allowed to spew the same tirades, derailing every single thread, every single day with no repercussions. One dude makes this entire board unreadable. And he has carte blanche to just keep going.

 

[archstanton543]

I have no idea why the same poster can be allowed to spew the same tirades, derailing every single thread, every single day with no repercussions. One dude makes this entire board unreadable. And he has carte blanche to just keep going.

Only one?

But seriously, it's probably because most people have him on mute.

 

[Easywolf32]

As if waking up in a nightmare and realizing Baltimore and KC Stole all your picks and your team drafted only 4th-6th rounders.

KC

1 (21)	Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington
1 (30)	George Karlaftis, Edge, Purdue
2 (54)	Skyy Moore, WR, Western Michigan
2 (62)	Bryan Cook, S, Cincinnati
3 (103)	Leo Chenal, LB, Wisconsin
	Baltimore 1 (14) Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame 1 (25) Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa 2 (45) David Ojabo, Edge, Michigan 3 (76) Travis Jones, DT, Connecticut 4 (110) Daniel Faalele, OT, Minnesota

And your team:

1 (29)	Cole Strange, OG/C, Chattanooga
2 (50)	Tyquan Thornton, WR, Baylor
3 (85)	Marcus Jones, CB, Houston
4 (121)	Jack Jones, CB, Arizona State
4 (127)	Pierre Strong, RB, South Dakota State
4 (137)	Bailey Zappe, QB, Western Kentucky

 

[lancerman]

No one is comparing Stafford's career to Brady's. All I'm saying is that the folks on this forum who were drooling over Brady winning the SB his first year in Tampa...well, Stafford did the same EXACT thing. So, suddenly Brady's super bowl win in Tampa looks less impressive. And no offense, you can't fully blame Stafford for what transpired in Detroit. Such an assertion makes no sense.

How does it look less impressive? Tampa sucked before Brady got there, Stafford took a team that Goff made the SB with.

Are you that upset over Brady that you are willing to humiliate yourself over it?