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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.WR is 100% a safer pick than every other position this year.There are a lot of busts or guys on the road to bust at tackle as well. Just look at the top 10 of the 2022 draft and look at the WRs that those teams passed to select their bust tackle.
Which is why I’m waiting until day 2 to take one.WR is 100% a safer pick than every other position this year.
Just remember N'Keal Harry was drafted by us in what ended up being a historically great WR class. There's one absolutely safe WR to take and then one other I would consider a high end prospect. The rest are solid but might never be more than a 2 or 3 and some will bust.Which is why I’m waiting until day 2 to take one.
i remember Bill overruling our scouts in taking Harry over players like Deebo and AJ.Just remember N'Keal Harry was drafted by us in what ended up being a historically great WR class. There's one absolutely safe WR to take and then one other I would consider a high end prospect. The rest are solid but might never be more than a 2 or 3 and some will bust.
I.M.O., Get the tackle first, 2024 record, 4-13If the front office doesn't like whichever QB it is remaining at #3, then don't draft him. In that scenario it makes sense to trade down and increase your draft picks from 4 of the first 103 to 6 of the first 103, or from 3 of the first 68 to 4 of the first 68, etc.
Rather than focusing on Alt if your QB is not there at #3, a better option would be to trade down somewhere no lower than the #11-#15 range. Now take the best remaining OT (Fuaga, Fautanu, Mims, Latham). While he won't be as good as Alt, he would still be good enough to be a starting LT - whereas waiting for an OT at #34 will only get you a good RT, not a starting LT. If the team is sold on Nix, maybe try to move back up a little to draft him.
After drafting Nix/Penix, with the one or two additional draft picks the team has multiple options. They could double up at WR (McConkey, Corley, Polk, Legette, Wilson), or instead use #68 on a DT (Hall, Orhorhoro, Taylor, Jenkins); edge defender (Kneeland, Braswell), a RB (Shipley, Allen), or a TE (Johnson, Sinnott), depending on who is still available. At #103 you can again pick from any of the players above, or maybe CB (Sainristill), safety, another RB (Laube, Guerendo) or another TE (Bell, All, Barner).
The bottom line is that is impossible to get a top-tier QB, top-tier LT, and top-tier WR all in one draft. However, just one or two moves can give the roster genuine immediate upgrades in four, five, six positions or more.
I hadn't even considered WR first, so I went through a few simulations to see how that would work out.I.M.O., Get the tackle first, 2024 record, 4-13
Get the QB first, 2024 record, 4-13
Get the WR1 first, 2024 record, 9-8, possible wild card.
Best quote I heard about him (paraphrasing): "If you need someone to throw it 80 yards, Milton will throw it 80 yards. If you need someone to throw it 15 yards, Milton will throw it 80 yards."Oh I don’t think you’ll have to worry about Milton “slipping” to the 2nd round. More like 4-7
I initially wondered why that was a problem, only run plays that cover 80 yards. Then I remembered the new kickoff rules and the fact that teams will almost always have less than 80 yards of field to cover. Tough break for the kid.Best quote I heard about him (paraphrasing): "If you need someone to throw it 80 yards, Milton will throw it 80 yards. If you need someone to throw it 15 yards, Milton will throw it 80 yards."
The bottom line is that is impossible to get a top-tier QB, top-tier LT, and top-tier WR all in one draft. However, just one or two moves can give the roster genuine immediate upgrades in four, five, six positions or more.
McConky at 37. Edelman 2.0, we battling with Buffalo for the division! Plug and play LT until 2025. FUN FUN Year. If we could get Penix at 37 I would be overjoyed but that's not gonna happenI hadn't even considered WR first, so I went through a few simulations to see how that would work out.
With no trades it became apparent that it wasn't worth wasting a draft pick on an OT at all.
Typical draft would be something like this:
#3 WR MHJ (or Nabors or Odunze, whoever you prefer)
34 QB Nix/Penix
68 RB Shipley
103 TE Johnson
137 RB Laube
180 DT Gabe Hall/CB Jones
193 DT Lee/CB Deantre Prince
231 FS Perry/Edge Rusher
In other words, all the same as the no-trade mock above - it's just the #1 OT vs the #1 WR.
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Now here is a typical trade-down, but taking a WR first.
Result is the same as above but with this difference.
- Pats trade down to #5 or #6.
- Rather than an opportunity for the 1st WR, Pats get to pick the 3rd-rated WR (Nabers/Odunze)
- Pats also receive the #37 pick. With no decent OTs remaining, they double down on the position
- 37 WR Xavier Worthy.
In either case the Pats get much better at WR - in exchange for completely ignoring LT until 2025.
That's going to be the trade-off. Mixed feelings on this one.
Not sure that the WR option is five wins better than the OT option.
late to the game here... haven't read the thread...Big thick tackle, fills a hole we need on the line, and would, at least in theory, make the job of any QB we happen to have much easier.
Looking at this roster, and especially at the way Mac got hung out to dry, taking the best OL in the draft just feels like the sort of thing we need to be thinking about. Remember we're coming off a year where not just QB was garbage but so was the ground game. One or the other struggling you look at the skill players, but if both are struggling together, the reason is usually weakness in the trenches.
and a tackle that can go 1v1 against the best pass rushers and help their guards is precious to both offense and defense. Success in the trenches keeps the offense on the field and getting some sustained drives will actually make the defense play better.
Frankly I'm looking down the list of possible QBs and see some guys who could make it into the second round that I definitely like. Spencer Rattler, Michael Pratt, Jordan Travis, JMIII, all promising guys and some of them will slip down to us. Pratt and JMIII in particular look very good to me
There's nothing sacred about the first round when it comes to finding your quarterback. Hell Brock Purdy's on his way to establishing himself as a premium QB and he was literally Mr. irrelevant. Meanwhile everyone knows the value of a good line. Alt will go quickly. I want to be the team he goes to.
I'd rather have Alt leading a revamped O-line and Pratt or JMIII under center, then Drake Maye and the a la carte mess of an OL we had last year.
The point being we have options beyond the first round to fill that need at QB, and top tacklees are worth their considerable weight in gold. It's something to think about.
i like Travis as well as a late round pick and stash on the roster...probably IR for the year until he is 100%.if Joe Milton III slips into the second round, and I consider this possible, then yes. Milton is a s tud.
couple other guys down there I've got my eye on too. Especially Travis and Pratt.
Exactly. If your two best WRs are rated around 30th in the league, you have a nice pair of weapons.I'm definitely on board the fix the line with an LT train. But I only do Alt at 3 (or 6 after a trade down) if I really don't love any of the big 3 or 4 QBs. It's too important a position. But I am 100% behind getting a LT before a WR1. WR1 is a luxury. LT is a requirement.
Cousin,No. MHJ would have to be gone and we'd also have to hate Maye AND Daniels to decide to get Alt.
A tackle is important. But as a singular position it is not as impactful as either of those.
If that is true, then we don't need a QB. We should just extend Bissette.I.M.O., Get the tackle first, 2024 record, 4-13
Get the QB first, 2024 record, 4-13
Get the WR1 first, 2024 record, 9-8, possible wild card.
Another thing too. Guys who would normally be good enough to get picked up as QBs in the first round are going to slip into the second. Not everyone needs a QB and the draft is fairly QB rich. There may be some good values left at QB at 35.i like Travis as well as a late round pick and stash on the roster...probably IR for the year until he is 100%.