Shane Vereen back at practice; Dan Connolly only player absent

[ATippett56]

Connolly (head) among 7 questionable - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[Danger Zone]

When guys like this are insulting a PROFESSIONAL football player, who has made the ultimate sacrifice of their body, and are also risking their lives day in and day out for the sport- are pathetic. I'd like to see the guys insulting Vereen for getting injured play football. (Fantasy Football doesn't count.)

Here here!

 

[Ring 6]

They are both relevant.

He has accomplished next to nothing in the NFL. Garbage time carries in 2 games in which the outcome was already decided.

I don't know and I wouldn't try to pretend to know how the coaching staff judges him. So far we can only go by past results and those results consisted of him being inactive in 15 of the 20 games he was on the roster.

I haven't seen the dynamic and explosive running that most everyone else on this board has apparently convinced themselves of having seen. I have yet to see anything to suggest he was in real competition with Ridley for the starter's job and I haven't seen anything to suggest he should be given Woodhead's 3rd down back role.

I think the blind optimists are building up this guy into something he's not. I hope that he turns into a productive player but I'm not yet convinced that he will.

But that is exactly the point. What he has done up to this point is over and done, it is what he will do going forward that matters.
You diminish what he did when he was on the field, because he wasn't on the field much then say you haven't seen anything.
Your wild guess at what will happen if and when he gets the opportunity is as meaningless as anyone elses. Up to this point he either has or has not shown enough to the only people that matter, the coaching staff, to determine whether he will get the rock when he is healthy. It seems silly to act as if you can confidently guess what the coaching staff's assessment is, because there hasn't really been an opportunity for them to show it to us.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

But that is exactly the point. What he has done up to this point is over and done, it is what he will do going forward that matters.
You diminish what he did when he was on the field, because he wasn't on the field much then say you haven't seen anything.
Your wild guess at what will happen if and when he gets the opportunity is as meaningless as anyone elses. Up to this point he either has or has not shown enough to the only people that matter, the coaching staff, to determine whether he will get the rock when he is healthy. It seems silly to act as if you can confidently guess what the coaching staff's assessment is, because there hasn't really been an opportunity for them to show it to us.

Great, so why are you directing this only to me and not pom pom wavers? Actually I'm among the few not doing that. That's exactly what I have a problem with. Go lecture them about meaningless guesses.

My beef is not with Vereen the player or the person, it's with the never ending poster's comments of how the minute when and if Vereen ever does see the field he automatically is better than Woodhead in the third down role and will be challenging for the starting job. It's the laughable descriptions of his runs being explosive and dynamic. It's these baseless assumptions and assertations that I have a problem with and apparently you should too but you want to call me and only me out on it.

I believe I already stated that I wouldn't presume to know what the coaching staff thinks of Vereen. It's also nice to know that you believe past results don't matter, however, past results do matter and so far the coaching staff has put Vereen on the inactive list for 15 of the 20 games he's been on the roster. That's essentially his whole rookie season and has missed week one of this season and is questionable for week two.

He's been inactive for one of two reasons:

1) He has not proven to the coaching staff that he is better than the running backs who are active.

Or

2) He has been unable to get on the field for health reasons, namely a hamstring. A hamstring injury should not cost a player essentially a full year of playing time, especially considering what Wes Welker and Logan Mankins have played through/come back from.

He has proven nothing up to this point and until he does I'm not going to buy into the hype of him being some big time play maker Ray Rice type back. I'm not even convinced he's better than Woodhead at this point. Anyone saying different is guilty of the "meaningless guesses" you accuse me of making.

 

[Ring 6]

Great, so why are you directing this his college play.
I didnt call you on it, you responded to me.

I believe I already stated that I wouldn't presume to know what the coaching staff thinks of Vereen. It's also nice to know that you believe past results don't matter, however, past results do matter and so far the coaching staff has put Vereen on the inactive list for 15 of the 20 games he's been on the roster. That's essentially his whole rookie season and has missed week one of this season and is questionable for week two.

Thats not consistent with what I said.

He's been inactive for one of two reasons:

1) He has not proven to the coaching staff that he is better than the running backs who are active.

Or

2) He has been unable to get on the field for health reasons, namely a hamstring. A hamstring injury should not cost a player essentially a full year of playing time, especially considering what Wes Welker and Logan Mankins have played through/come back from.

Injuries are temporary. A hamstring injury to a RB is serioud.
You seem to think its a manliness issue when its probably an ability to perform issue. Sorry of like if Brady had broken fingers

He has proven nothing up to this point and until he does I'm not going to buy into the hype of him being some big time play maker Ray Rice type back. I'm not even convinced he's better than Woodhead at this point. Anyone saying different is guilty of the "meaningless guesses" you accuse me of making.

They are all meaningless guesses. Your pessimistic one is no better supported than someones optimistic one.

 

[Calhoun44]

My beef is not with Vereen the player or the person, it's with the never ending poster's comments of how the minute when and if Vereen ever does see the field he automatically is better than Woodhead in the third down role and will be challenging for the starting job. It's the laughable descriptions of his runs being explosive and dynamic. It's these baseless assumptions and assertations that I have a problem with and apparently you should too but you want to call me and only me out on it.

I believe I already stated that I wouldn't presume to know what the coaching staff thinks of Vereen. It's also nice to know that you believe past results don't matter, however, past results do matter and so far the coaching staff has put Vereen on the inactive list for 15 of the 20 games he's been on the roster. That's essentially his whole rookie season and has missed week one of this season and is questionable for week two.

He's been inactive for one of two reasons:

1) He has not proven to the coaching staff that he is better than the running backs who are active.

Or

2) He has been unable to get on the field for health reasons, namely a hamstring. A hamstring injury should not cost a player essentially a full year of playing time, especially considering what Wes Welker and Logan Mankins have played through/come back from.

He has proven nothing up to this point and until he does I'm not going to buy into the hype of him being some big time play maker Ray Rice type back. I'm not even convinced he's better than Woodhead at this point. Anyone saying different is guilty of the "meaningless guesses" you accuse me of making.

It seems to me that if you had started your discussion of Vereen in this tone, I believe very few (if anyone) would have a problem with your opinion. It is a logical, insightful point and well thought out. On the other hand when you insult someone for being injured it comes across as "troll-like" and in case you haven't noticed people are a "bit" passionate about their favorite football team.

I am looking forward to seeing what Vereen can do on the field , hopefully this Sunday.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Great, so why are you directing this his college play.

I didnt call you on it, you responded to me.

It looks like you took some editorial privilege with my quote, I wrote nothing of his college play.

And you responded to me first, post #43 responding to post #42.

Thats not consistent with what I said.

Yes it is, to quote you, "It seems silly to act as if you can confidently guess what the coaching staff's assessment is."

Injuries are temporary. A hamstring injury to a RB is serioud.
You seem to think its a manliness issue when its probably an ability to perform issue. Sorry of like if Brady had broken fingers

Injuries are supposed to be temporary. If the reason why he barely saw the field last year was his hamstring as some people want to insist and not because of his play than he missed all that time last year, as well as last week and is questionable for this week. Doesn't sound temporary to me.

However I have never put in words that I question his manliness nor have I called him any names. That is a figment of your imagination. The closest I came was to "like" a certain post in which the poster made a stupid juvenile joke about Vereen's anatomy and I just happen to appreciate stupid juvenile humor. The Brady comment is a very poor straw-man argument.

They are all meaningless guesses. Your pessimistic one is no better supported than someones optimistic one.

Again, so why do you feel the need to take me to task for it? Most of what is discussed on this board is nothing but meaningless guesses, Do you feel the need to challenge all of them? You don't have to answer that, I think we know the answer.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

It seems to me that if you had started your discussion of Vereen in this tone, I believe very few (if anyone) would have a problem with your opinion. It is a logical, insightful point and well thought out. On the other hand when you insult someone for being injured it comes across as "troll-like" and in case you haven't noticed people are a "bit" passionate about their favorite football team.

I am looking forward to seeing what Vereen can do on the field , hopefully this Sunday.

How did I insult him and what did I say? You're now the 2nd person to directly say I insulted Vereen can someone please tell me what I said?

 

[Calhoun44]

My bad. I apologize. I thought incorrectly that you were the one who first responded with the "vagisil" comment. I need to read better before I type. Carry on.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

My bad. I apologize. I thought incorrectly that you were the one who first responded with the "vagisil" comment. I need to read better before I type. Carry on.

No problem, I was guilty of clicking the like button on it though.

 

[Ring 6]

Great, so why are you directing this his college play.

That whole thing was a typo, I was trying to say many are basing their opinion of his skillset on his college play.

And you responded to me first, post #43 responding to post #42.

correct

Yes it is, to quote you, "It seems silly to act as if you can confidently guess what the coaching staff's assessment is."

correct, we have no clue of that, which is why my point is that how what he has done to date affects what he will do going forward is dubious at best, at least the part we would be aware of

Injuries are supposed to be temporary. If the reason why he barely saw the field last year was his hamstring as some people want to insist and not because of his play than he missed all that time last year, as well as last week and is questionable for this week. Doesn't sound temporary to me.

Do you think his foot injury that he has overcome to some degree, is permanent?

However I have never put in words that I question his manliness nor have I called him any names. That is a figment of your imagination.

You did so by questioning why he was out with an injury and Mankins and Welker were not. Clearly it was because his injury held him back more. You seemed to imply it was a flaw in his makeup.

The closest I came was to "like" a certain post in which the poster made a stupid juvenile joke about Vereen's anatomy and I just happen to appreciate stupid juvenile humor. The Brady comment is a very poor straw-man argument.

The Brady comment is nothing like a strawman. It is an analogy. A hamstring injury to a RB makes him less effective, and can keep him sideline no matter how much he would like to play, just as a throwing hand injury would to a QB.

Again, so why do you feel the need to take me to task for it? Most of what is discussed on this board is nothing but meaningless guesses, Do you feel the need to challenge all of them? You don't have to answer that, I think we know the answer.

Not taking you to task at all, just offering my opinion.
Many topics of discussion have facts and history to back them up. "Not having seen' something from a player who has not had an opportunity is a pointless argument IMO.
I have no problem with you feeling that way, but I'm just pointing out it is not an informed opinion.

 

[Dingleberry]

1. I am looking forward to Vereen finally getting healthy. He has the potential to be dynamic. Should be fun to watch. Between him and Dowling, I have such high hopes for them.

2. I have seen childbirth enough to know that women are tougher than men.

3. "Twat" is such a funny word. Not sure why, but it makes me laugh. All I know is I am such a twat for not wating to go through childbirth.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

That whole thing was a typo, I was trying to say many are basing their opinion of his skillset on his college play.





correct



correct, we have no clue of that, which is why my point is that how what he has done to date affects what he will do going forward is dubious at best, at least the part we would be aware of


Do you think his foot injury that he has overcome to some degree, is permanent?


You did so by questioning why he was out with an injury and Mankins and Welker were not. Clearly it was because his injury held him back more. You seemed to imply it was a flaw in his makeup.


The Brady comment is nothing like a strawman. It is an analogy. A hamstring injury to a RB makes him less effective, and can keep him sideline no matter how much he would like to play, just as a throwing hand injury would to a QB.



Not taking you to task at all, just offering my opinion.
Many topics of discussion have facts and history to back them up. "Not having seen' something from a player who has not had an opportunity is a pointless argument IMO.
I have no problem with you feeling that way, but I'm just pointing out it is not an informed opinion.

I'm all Vereen'ed out for now. None of us really knows for sure how good or bad he'll look if and when he ever gets into a game, I'll give you that.

I'm going to move on from this topic, or at least I will until another dozen posters come in here and write what an explosive and dynamic runner he is. Then I might have something to say about it.

 

[Deus Irae]

98.5 is reporting Vereen as out for the game against the Cardinals.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

98.5 is reporting Vereen as out for the game against the Cardinals.

I for one am shocked by this dynamic and explosive news.


That would be the 16th time he's made the inactive list out of a possible 21 games.

 

[Dingleberry]

I for one am shocked by this dynamic and explosive news.


That would be the 16th time he's made the inactive list out of a possible 21 games.

Yeast infections do not heal quickly.

 

[randomk1]

I for one am shocked by this dynamic and explosive news.


That would be the 16th time he's made the inactive list out of a possible 21 games.

Between Ridley,Woodhead,Bolden,Hernandez there is just too much depth.