Schefter: Pats expected to add incentives to Brady's deal

[luuked]

In general, but not exactly that simple. The immediate cap charge for 2018 is based on what portion of those incentives he would have reached in 2017. Any incentives he didn't reach last year is treated as not likely to be earned for 2018 cap purposes and doesn't count towards 2018 at this point. At the end of the year there is a true-up for the actual incentives reached versus what was actually in the 2018 cap, and that true up is reflected in the 2019 cap.

That said, my understanding from various interviews with Jonathan Kraft is that the team tries to account for incentives during the year that it happens, based on what the team thinks is likely during the year it happens (rather than the technical rules on how it's accounted for). So for example, if $4M in incentives are due for playing every game in 2018 and having more TDs than INTs in 2018, and $1M is for being named Super Bowl 53 MVP, the 2018 cap charge for now is $4M. But if the team really thinks it's the best team in the NFL this year, they will hold back that extra $1M in 2018 cap space this year (i.e. not spend that $1M elsewhere, and "carry it forward" to 2019), so when the ultimate bookkeeping adjustment is done, the 2019 cap will not be impacted.

If you have seen my previous comment you would have known that I understand all of this:

This year most probably. I guess it will not be easy to design NLTBE incentives for Brady given his last season that are still "straighforward to reach".

I just am not sure how you can design NLTBE incentives for Brady which according to Howe will end up being straightforward. Especially after an MVP season.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

If you have seen my previous comment you would have known that I understand all of this:





I just am not sure how you can design NLTBE incentives for Brady which according to Howe will end up being straightforward. Especially after an MVP season.

Unfortunately, there is one, which I put in my post. Super Bowl 53 MVP, or alternatively the team wins Super Bowl 53. Or it could be something like 50 TD passes. I'm taking Howe's "straightforward" to mean something easy to calculate or track, not necessarily something easy to reach.

 

[luuked]

Unfortunately, there is one, which I put in my post. Super Bowl 53 MVP, or alternatively the team wins Super Bowl 53. Or it could be something like 50 TD passes. I'm taking Howe's "straightforward" to mean something easy to calculate or track, not necessarily something easy to reach.

Even if that is what Howe meant, in what world would Brady accept such risky incentives and not just ask for a roster bonus instead ?

I agree that since they decided to add money via incentives there might be something crazy BB and Caserio will come up with to hang some of them into NTLBE territory and make them hit the cap next year. I just have no clue how "creative" they can get.

That being said why not make it two roster bonuses if you want to spread it out.

 

[Love The Drake]

Restructure to free up space for anotber extension?
Or a addition Breeland?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Will be unable to sleep or function effectively until I finally hear that TFB can make millions more this season.

 

[luuked]

Volin stirring **** again..

 

[luuked]

Restructure to free up space for anotber extension?
Or a addition Breeland?

It is a move that will most probably cost more money and not safe any. So this has nothing to do with an extension or roster move.

 

[Love The Drake]

C

It is a move that will most probably cost more money and not safe any. So this has nothing to do with an extension or roster move.

Can they structure it in a way to lower the cap hit?

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Even if that is what Howe meant, in what world would Brady accept such risky incentives and not just ask for a roster bonus instead ?

I agree that since they decided to add money via incentives there might be something crazy BB and Caserio will come up with to hang some of them into NTLBE territory and make them hit the cap next year. I just have no clue how "creative" they can get.

That being said why not make it two roster bonuses if you want to spread it out.

Well, we really don't know Brady's motivation here. Knowing his motivation (and the team's) will tell us what type of structure we get. I think we do know from the Garoppolo saga that BB is leery on mortgaging his future on a 41 year old guy - he wants him as his QB of course, but doesn't want to put a long term commitment on him. We know from earlier reports last offseason (after 2016) that Brady was looking for an extension then - that's even before the Wishersham stuff came out. On its own, these incentives certainly seem to be a form of compromise - Brady gets extra money up front that an extension would have provided, while BB doesn't get possible cap hell if an extension is granted and Brady falls apart.

But to your point, why incentives and not roster bonuses, etc.? To me it's a motivation question and we don't really know what that is yet.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Volin stirring **** again..

This is the type of situation where the proposed Facepalm rating would come into play! (being for Volin, of course, not you....)

 

[PatsWSB47]

I made the mistake of having my TV on Comcast and of course Fudger
and Azz are all upset over this. AZZ "blames" Brady for the no deal contract because he owed Kraft for trading Garapollo for him. Fudger is all, "Brady got short changed for not committing past next year". Brady hosed the Pats so he's getting "nothing". Honest to God I can't stand those guys. I accidentally see a couple of minutes of them once every couple months and it's the same gddam show every time.

 

[luuked]

C

Can they structure it in a way to lower the cap hit?

Why push money into the future if they dont think it will be necessary ?

 

[TheRainMaker]

I am sure others have tried. But it really is a game of chicken and how many GMs apart from BB are there who you think would have the balls to ship out their QB because their demands fail their value equation ?

What QB's need to start doing to copy the Pats success, is taking less money but making up for it in endorsement deals. If they want to win, it's the only way. If you want to be the highest paid, you will end up like Joe Flacco.

The problem is, most QB's don't want to do this, which is very surprising in this day and age. There's only a handful that have at least one major endorsement deal. They are Rodgers, Brees, Newton before his a** got fired, Dak Prescott (don't know why he has one). Am I forgetting anybody? Peyton Manning did it right having a ton of major endorsement deals but he still wanted to be paid one of the highest.

 

[Jackson 2]

BB: "Brady, we'll pay you an extra $15 million this season... BUT, for the entire season, every time you see Alex Guerrero you have to slap him hard across the face."

Alex will be OK because he'll have his lackey, Tom E. Curran, to soothe and treat his wounds.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

What QB's need to start doing to copy the Pats success, is taking less money but making up for it in endorsement deals. If they want to win, it's the only way. If you want to be the highest paid, you will end up like Joe Flacco.

The problem is, most QB's don't want to do this, which is very surprising in this day and age. There's only a handful that have at least one major endorsement deal. They are Rodgers, Brees, Newton before his a** got fired, Dak Prescott (don't know why he has one). Am I forgetting anybody? Peyton Manning did it right having a ton of major endorsement deals but he still wanted to be paid one of the highest.

I understand in principle, but that said -

1) it takes 2 to tango. advertising agencies and companies are looking for someone marketable. Rapistberger being the prominent star of an ad campaign for a Fortune 1000 company, for example, might lead to a backlash from certain organizations which would lead to bad publicity for the company.

2) These endorsement deals require time out of someone's day. All these commercials and even prints take time to film and photograph; days off in the NFL are precious and not everyone wants to spend 4-8 hours a few days a year filming various ads. Me, I think that's silly, but I recognize not everyone has the same priorities.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If I was another QB and they brought up Brady, I would say I will agree to take his salary as long as you give me a wife with comparable beauty and money as his!

Giselle is not a unicorn. QB's or high profile athletes could get very attractive famous women if they wanted to. In fact, athletes are "rock stars" to actors, models, and musicians. The problem is, most of them stay under the radar (who the hell knows why) and marry early and have kids. What a waste.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I understand in principle, but that said -

1) it takes 2 to tango. advertising agencies and companies are looking for someone marketable. Rapistberger being the prominent star of an ad campaign for a Fortune 1000 company, for example, might lead to a backlash from certain organizations which would lead to bad publicity for the company.

Totally agree with this and I left this out on my initial response. There really isn't any marketable QB's. Jimmy G has the look but he's really quiet. Baker Mayfield has the swag but will companies be scared off from his history?

Young kids look up to the boring athlete that's married at a young age and has kids. They like the flashy athlete hanging out with super models, pop stars and actresses.

 

[oceansizer]

Volin stirring **** again..

He has just received information about new emoji icons on the board.Trying to find out how it works.

 

[varjao]

And as usual Lombardi was right that all this hoopla in the offseason was about money.

I don't think it was about money per se , it was more like I'm not gonna leave money on the table for this shi.t. And by shi.t I'm talking about BB potentially throwing a SB for principles.

 

[luuked]

I don't think it was about money per se , it was more like I'm not gonna leave money on the table for this shi.t. And by shi.t I'm talking about BB potentially throwing a SB for principles.

We are onto the next season. Move on.