Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [merged]

[Off The Grid]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Over the last two years Maroney has been Leonard Russell.
Just look at footballreferece.com.
These are just the cold hard facts.

Laurence Maroney NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Since Maroney only had 28 carriers in 08, that did very little to lower his overall YPC over the past 2 years. But that injury plagued year did seem to be a harbinger of his impending loss of explosiveness.

Let's do the arithmetic so you won't feel so outraged over what the cold numbers add up to:

2008 28 carries 93 yards = 3.32 ypc
2009 194 carries 757 yards = 3.90 ypc
Now add.
28+192= 222 carries
93+757= 850 yards
Now divide.
850/222= 3.83 ypc

Like I said a long time ago, the closest player who projects to Maroney's career pattern is Kevan Barlow. It's really eerie. They both started off with deceptively good looking ypcs then drop like rocks ypc-wise. Likely due to injury/loss of confidence/effectiveness. Or maybe they were just busts.
Kevan Barlow NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

At least the Barlow experiment only cost the 49ers a 3rd round pick but they gave up on him after 5 seasons. They sent him packing to the Jets. Season 5 is ALSO the same time BB concluded he had seen more than enough of Maroney's mediocrity. But he pulled the trigger at the beginning of the year. At least he salvaged a 4th round pick out of it.

An absolutely eloquent defenestration of Laurence Maroney, Erstwhile Patriot.

 

[Triumph]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

It wouldn't have been a waste regardless of the return.

Im sure glad that all the Pats #1 selections dont turn out like this Maroney deal.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Im sure glad that all the Pats #1 selections dont turn out like this Maroney deal.

Q: "What did you have for Breakfast?"
A: "Herring."

Q: "Really? What kind?"
A: "Red, of course."

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

I'm finding that BradyFTW! had it right. Reading the anti-Maroney screeching is a great way to figure out who to put on ignore.

If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen

Only people who know they are wrong about about the maroney wasted 4 years fiasco can't face facts and take the easy way out by using ignore

You were wrong...end of story and end of this debate over an underachieving RB

Now the new story is for Denver fans to b!tch about

 

[efin98]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Draftnicks answer this one- was the 6th rounder added instead of a 7th rounder becasue of the Ojinnaka trade or was it the least additional compensation that Denver would take to get the deal done?

 

[mgteich]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

If Maroney were a bust (like many other first rounders from all teams over the years), he would have been long gone. He played for the patriots for four years. And then, with a year left on his contract, Belichick get a fourth for him.

Maroney was considered a candidate for OROY for most of his rookie season. He was at least as good a choice as Addai, the other possibility considered when Maroney was drafted. DeAngelo Williams was a possibility, but Manny Lawson was the board choice. Some first rounders end up being probowlers or superstars. Most do not. Maroney was not a bad choice then or in retrospect. Lots of players picks aorund 21 have produced a lot more; many a lot less.

BOTTOM LINE - ACCORDING TO BELICHICK

"I drafted him, brought him in here, and I think he worked hard, tried hard, had a lot of production for us," he said. "In the end, we just went in a different direction."

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

If Maroney were a bust (like many other first rounders from all teams over the years), he would have been long gone. He played for the patriots for four years. And then, with a year left on his contract, Belichick get a fourth for him.

Maroney was considered a candidate for OROY for most of his rookie season. He was at least as good a choice as Addai, the other possibility considered when Maroney was drafted. DeAngelo Williams was a possibility, but Manny Lawson was the board choice. Some first rounders end up being probowlers or superstars. Most do not. Maroney was not a bad choice then or in retrospect. Lots of players picks aorund 21 have produced a lot more; many a lot less.

BOTTOM LINE - ACCORDING TO BELICHICK

"I drafted him, brought him in here, and I think he worked hard, tried hard, had a lot of production for us," he said. "In the end, we just went in a different

direction."

I wanted Greenway in 06 who is playing decent in Minny now

 

[efin98]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

I am simply amazed that the bust/not a bust talk is still going on...yet nobody yet so far nobody has brought some comparisons to the guys drafted in the first round that year. This may surprise some of the haters and non-haters...

Bobby Carpenter was cut, he was taken three spots ahead of him in the 1st round.

Tye Hill was traded for a 7th rounder last year and cut by the Falcons, then was cut again by the Titans. He was taken six spots ahead of him.

That isn't as bad as the mother of all cuts that draft so far...Matt Leinart. He was taken 11 spots ahead of him.

Three guys cut so far. One looks like he is done for a while while the other two are barely holding on(IMHO).

Then you have the two big liabilities for their teams that while still playing have to be put in as a bust before Maroney no matter how hated Maroney is: D'Brickishaw Ferguson and Antonio Cromartie. Cromartie is playing his way out of the league and making anyone near him look like father of year. Ferguson is on the verge of showing his true colors as a 2nd tier or worse caliber tackle who needed a strong guard nearby to take the load off of him.



If he really was a bust then he would not have lasted as long as he did especially not through the offseason and preseason. He was good enough to stay with the team four years as a serviceable back. He wasn't a bust...a disappointment and maybe an average player, but not a bust.

 

[Calciumee]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

If Maroney were a bust (like many other first rounders from all teams over the years), he would have been long gone. He played for the patriots for four years. And then, with a year left on his contract, Belichick get a fourth for him.

Totally agree with this!

He could have been ALOT worse! And this is shown by getting a 'decent' pick for him!

 

[Off The Grid]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

If Maroney were a bust (like many other first rounders from all teams over the years), he would have been long gone. He played for the patriots for four years. And then, with a year left on his contract, Belichick get a fourth for him.

Maroney was considered a candidate for OROY for most of his rookie season. He was at least as good a choice as Addai, the other possibility considered when Maroney was drafted. DeAngelo Williams was a possibility, but Manny Lawson was the board choice. Some first rounders end up being probowlers or superstars. Most do not. Maroney was not a bad choice then or in retrospect. Lots of players picks aorund 21 have produced a lot more; many a lot less.

BOTTOM LINE - ACCORDING TO BELICHICK

"I drafted him, brought him in here, and I think he worked hard, tried hard, had a lot of production for us," he said. "In the end, we just went in a different direction."

As I started to say, before #$%@ VISTA decided to ReLoad...

This is nicely put.

As a Founding Member of The International Brotherhood of Maroney Haters, I am none the less more than happy to agree that no 21st pick that plays for 4 years and then nets you the equivalent of a late 4th Rounder ~ even after backing out the value of the 6th Rounder ~ can be called a Bust.

A disappointment? Sure. But no more than that.

This might be a good time to remember ~ though I'm sure it's been noted many times before I came around here ~ that after 10 years, Coach Bill II The Mad Genius has YET ~ please join me in knocking on wood!! ~ to Bust a 1st Rounder!!

Dan Graham
Ben Watson
Laurence Maroney

They all disappointed me and most others, but they all contributed substantially, and they all reaped a Draft Pick when we let them go.

Pretty amazing record, if you ask me.

 

[Calciumee]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Ben Watson
They all disappointed me and most others, but they all contributed substantially, and they all reaped a Draft Pick when we let them go.[/QUOTE\

Did I miss something???

 

[Off The Grid]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

...Ben Watson...

They all disappointed me and most others, but they all contributed substantially, and they all reaped a Draft Pick when we let them go.

Did I miss something???

I believe so. But in any case, it certainly seems that I did: It's my understanding that Watson stands to reap us a Comp Pick, next year, but this is based exclusively on the speculation of others, as I am utterly clueless in such matters...And to illustrate aforementioned cluelessness: Dan Graham evidently did not reap us a Comp Pick ~ I checked ~ which is contrary to my previous understanding.

Even so, the previous point holds: all three ~ Graham, Watson, and Maroney ~ were semi-productive disappointments, but Light Years from being Busts.

Of course I wouldn't've drafted any of those guys in the 1st freaking round, any more than Jackson or Johnson in the 2nd, or OConnell in the 3rd...But Bill the Mad is, just the same, Head and Shoulders above the lot'f'm!!

 

[captain stone]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Draftnicks answer this one- was the 6th rounder added instead of a 7th rounder becasue of the Ojinnaka trade or was it the least additional compensation that Denver would take to get the deal done?

I would guess the latter.

When I read that LaMa had been traded - but before I read the terms - I hoped that Bill demanded at least a 5th-rounder for him, esp. when considering that Green Bay would be in the market for a RB, too.
So a 4th minus a 6th almost equals a 5th, but if we finish as well as many here have predicted, and Skippy's donkeys finish as poorly as I think they might, then the trade might more closely resemble LaMa & and early 7th for a late 3rd.
That's a trade I would gladly make, because I don't believe that he would fetch anything more than a 5th-rounder as a comp, more likely a 6th.
And unlike the $eymour trade, I don't feel that losing LaMa will hurt us nearly as much this season as losing $eymour did last season.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Don't forget people that comp picks either for LoMo, who's now no mo, or for Mankins can be obliterated if the Pats sign FAs of a similar level.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

...He was at least as good a choice as Addai, the other possibility considered when Maroney was drafted. DeAngelo Williams was a possibility, but Manny Lawson was the board choice...Maroney was not a bad choice then or in retrospect...

I wouldn't say that he was a "bad" choice, either, but he also wasn't the correct choice.

Lawson might have received more support than any other player because of our need for a Pass-Rusher (It's unbelievable: 4 years later, and Bill still hasn't filled that need.), but as far as RBs were concerned, the draft board was fairly split btwn LaMa & DeAngelo Williams.

Turns out that the Williams backers were right, and the LaMa backers - and Bill - were wrong.

 

[Triumph]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

I wouldn't say that he was a "bad" choice, either, but he also wasn't the correct choice.

Jones Drew or Maroney?

Its clear NE selected the wrong guy.

 

[condon84]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Maroney is a talented back and things just didn't fall into place for him here. Whether it was the lack of holes to run through, running scheme not being a good fit, or bad luck. He's shown that he can be a dynamic RB that be make big plays. He's done that for us in the running game (his first year when he had a fullback to run behind) and a glimpse of what he can do with the football if he's utilized properly in the passing game. I always felt like the Pats didn't take advantage of his ability to run the ball in space with screens or using him as a receiver out of the backfield.

He'll find success in Denver, much like David Thomas found success elsewhere. But I think Maroney could be HUGE because he has that kind of talent.

Good luck to him.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

Maroney is a talented back and things just didn't fall into place for him here. Whether it was the lack of holes to run through, running scheme not being a good fit, or bad luck. He's shown that he can be a dynamic RB that can make big plays. He's done that for us in the running game (his first 2 years when he had a fullback to run behind) and a glimpse of what he can do with the football if he's utilized properly in the passing game. I always felt like the Pats didn't take advantage of his ability to run the ball in space with screens or using him as a receiver out of the backfield.

He'll find success in Denver, much like David Thomas found success elsewhere. But I think Maroney could be HUGE because he has that kind of talent.

Good luck to him.

I don't disagree with anything here, esp. the part I bolded.

 

[WelshPat]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

But I think Maroney could be HUGE because he has that kind of talent.

Good luck to him.

Where is this talent? I just don't see it. It was there at one point but he has lost some of his explosiveness.

As far as him being a bust, it depends on your definition of bust. He's not the same level as say a Vernon Gholsten. I think disappointment is the right word. Is Reggie Bush a bust? I would say no, but for the 2nd overall pick, he's clearly a disappointment.

 

[WelshPat]

Re: Schefter: Patriots trade Maroney to Denver for 2011 4th - Broncos get 2011 6 [mer

I think BB summed it up nicely when he asked about trading him, it was just time for everyone to move on. Mike Singeltary went on a rant one time and said with players sometimes it can be like a bad relationship, and i think that's what happened here with Maroney. The coaches, fans and players i think had grown tired of him and it was just best for everyone to have a fresh start.

He came across as a nice guy and i hope he goes on and does well, but i just don't see it