Schefter: Expect Pats to Keep Garoppolo Beyond 2017

[The Gr8est]

That was years ago he sent that email. A lot has changed since then - he became the GOAT with two more rings, his wife is starting to speak out, his body is older and has taken more punishment, etc. And we don't know if he continues to feel that way, especially after giselle's comments. His heart might be willing but his body and his family might be telling him something different.

Besides, playing on the pats until he's 45 is not solely up to him. Pats have to want to keep him around until that age too.

Plus after he wins the next Superbowl, he may listen to his wife and retire relatively healthy.

I am sure his defamation lawsuit against the NFL* won't consume too much of his time, so he'll have plenty of time to relax and enjoy his life.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's true that he's saying that publicly

Yes, and anything else we try going by is speculative gibberish.

 

[luuked]

1. Wife/mother of child asks him to retire post-Super Bowl.

2. Team engages in extension talks with him before those ultimately die.

3. Team keeps Garoppolo and, per the man that has been right the entire time, plans to keep him after 2017.

4. Wife/mother of child goes to the media and expresses concerns over his long-term health.

...and be extremely confident that Brady is in the team's plans for five more years.

You got someone on the inside that knows that talks have died down ?


Everything else so highly circumstancial and based on Giselle saying things that I see no reason to put more weight on that than what Brady says himself in recent interviews.

Nobody really has any expectations about how long he can continue to play on that level which is why BB keeps all options open and will hang on to JG as long as it makes economic sense.

I guess that's what the next 2-3 years will be like now. The annual "last rodeo" thread until it actually happens if injuries don't take him out sooner.

 

[luuked]

That was years ago he sent that email. A lot has changed since then - he became the GOAT with two more rings, his wife is starting to speak out, his body is older and has taken more punishment, etc. And we don't know if he continues to feel that way, especially after giselle's comments. His heart might be willing but his body and his family might be telling him something different.

Besides, playing on the pats until he's 45 is not solely up to him. Pats have to want to keep him around until that age too.

None of what you have said matters as long as he is able to keep playing at that level and remains mostly free of serious injuries.

He can win another 5 rings and if his body is still able to perform at expected levels he will return for a sixth season in 2023. Similarly, the Pats will not starting thinking about pressing the eject button as long as there is no sign of him declining. Why would they ?

I don't understand how your board name is TommyBrady but you apparently have never read a single thing about what drives that player. It is not rings but the love for the game and everything in involves. This is also why he is able to stay so good even at his age. Because he doesn't take any shortcuts and still puts in the grind necessary to be prepared mentally as well as physically.

 

[Tony2046]

It would certainly be easier on everyone in that sense if Brady did retire beforehand, but if in 2018 or 2019 Brady does not wish to retire, and the team can't afford Jimmy AND Brady anymore, then something's gotta give. Does BB lose an in-his-prime potential franchise QB for basically nothing just to keep a 42-year-old Brady for another run or two? I just doubt it.

Just because there would be media backlash doesn't mean BB's not gonna do it if it's in the best interests of his team.

You're minimizing the media backlash. It would be tremendous for BB, JG and the team especially if they didn't win enough.

So if Brady wins another Super Bowl in the 2018 season and says he wants to play another three years what do you think BB will do? Sure it's a tough decision but do you risk forfeiting another two or three Super Bowl runs by trading Brady? No.

When Brady retires we will need to strap up and get ready for a QB who will be in his first full season as the Patriot's starting QB and all the ups and downs that will go with it.

At this point JG could be the next Nick Foles and have a fantastic initial season and then flop, the next Steve Young who overcomes public and media scrutiny by finally delivering one championship, the next Philip Rivers who has had a string of entertaining ringless seasons or he could be the next "Great" Aaron Rodgers who plays at a high level and led the Packers to one championship but is either injured or hobbled or his receivers are hobbled or injured.

IOW there are so many unknowns with JG.

If we are playing the what if game here I'll play one too. What if Brissette outplays JG during the preseason? What then?

 

[bruce_w]

What he is facing after all he has accomplished - for the past several years he has been the hardest working player in sports. Every year he gets older he will have to work twice as hard to stay on top of his skills. Even he can't keep that up. I think he would try though if he didn't have so much success the last 5 years.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

None of what you have said matters as long as he is able to keep playing at that level and remains mostly free of serious injuries.

He can win another 5 rings and if his body is still able to perform at expected levels he will return for a sixth season in 2023. Similarly, the Pats will not starting thinking about pressing the eject button as long as there is no sign of him declining. Why would they ?

I don't understand how your board name is TommyBrady but you apparently have never read a single thing about what drives that player. It is not rings but the love for the game and everything in involves. This is also why he is able to stay so good even at his age. Because he doesn't take any shortcuts and still puts in the grind necessary to be prepared mentally as well as physically.

I think i know that football drives him. I also know that the one thing more important to him than football is family.

And just what are expected levels for a 40+ year old?

 

[Biffins]

Tom gets his last ring this season and retires to be Patriot QB coach or a Consultant on Offense as Josh gets a HC gig elsewhere............JG starts as QB in 2018........Tom gets quality home time with Gisele & kids.......Hawkins makes team this year , gets a ring and signs on as the WR coach next year......

If Tom gets his last ring while playing horrible football, like Elway or Manning, then I could see this happening. If he's playing at MVP caliber, like he did in 2016, I don't see why he'd stop. Which also explains why he didn't stop this year.

 

[NashuaPats]

Yes, and anything else we try going by is speculative gibberish.

That's fine. We can agree to disagree. Selfishly, I do hope he plays until he's 45 or older for the Pats. But I think, all pure speculation, that's not going to happen. I hope you're right.

 

[Jlaff]

People may be reading into this way too much.

One thing I never hear being discussed is Brady's mother in all this. I know she is doing better but there is no word that she has beaten it. If she hasn't, in any given week, there is potential for Brady to not be around to play.

This team needs a starting level QB at #2 for that reason alone.

Then we get to the end of the season and they reevaluate how Brady performed.

If Brady performed as he did this year, they are not going to franchise Garropolo ($20-$25m). No way.

I had trouble giving you a "winner" given the subject matter, but thank you for bringing something new to the conversation.

 

[Love The Drake]

Not saying it is even a possibility, but something interesting:

The 49ers are building a filthy defense. Armstead, Buckner, & Thomas are all blue chip type DLs with Bowman/Thomas behind them. The Seahawks/Cardinals windows have about one year left & the 49ers have 50+ million cap space next season.

The timelines are aligning pretty well if Brady ever wanted to play for his hometown team. He could recruit Edelman and others such as Pryor or Jeffrey there. Darnold/Rosen could learn behind Brady for 1-2 years.

If BB ever wanted to move on to Garoppolo there is a clear team for Brady. I think that's probably the only team we'd be able to understand seeing him in a different uniform.

No they can't draft Darnold because Brady will cost them multiple top picks.
I just hope Goat wouldn't get traded to Celeveland or in the division.
Playing for the Niners is about the only team that wouldnt make me absolutely sick to my stomach.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If you read the tea leaves, it's becoming more and more likely that Brady has at least hinted that 2017 will be his last ride. Everything we've seen transpire and have heard is pointing toward that being the case (assuming Schefter is correct again).

So he's lying' out his ass about REPEATED statements of playing several more seasons, playing until he's 45. These statements are recent, not seasons ago.
So let's completely disregard EVERY statement Brady has consistently made on the matter and instead come to the opposite conclusion based on mysterious "tea leaves".

I mean seriously. WTF???

 

[XLIX]

I think i know that football drives him. I also know that the one thing more important to him than football is family.

It is not an either-or proposition. He can play football AND spend far, far more time with his family than the typical father can.

 

[Tunescribe]

What if Brissette outplays JG during the preseason? What then?

Probably not happening and even then, irrelevant: their skill sets are very, very different.

 

[PP2]

So he's lying' out his ass about REPEATED statements of playing several more seasons, playing until he's 45. These statements are recent, not seasons ago.
So let's completely disregard EVERY statement Brady has consistently made on the matter and instead come to the opposite conclusion based on mysterious "tea leaves".

I mean seriously. WTF???

His exact quotes (in regard to being asked about wanting to play to 45) are:

“I certainly think I can do it. It’s just about how long I want to make the commitment to doing the things that get me ready to go.

“Look, I love playing. I would love to play the game for as long as I can. There are a lot of things that aren’t up to me, but I am going to do everything I can to keep playing at this level for as long as I can. I think I can do it.”

That, as you can see, is far from definite.

 

[Jackson 2]

His exact quotes (in regard to being asked about wanting to play to 45) are:

“I certainly think I can do it. It’s just about how long I want to make the commitment to doing the things that get me ready to go.

“Look, I love playing. I would love to play the game for as long as I can. There are a lot of things that aren’t up to me, but I am going to do everything I can to keep playing at this level for as long as I can. I think I can do it.”

That, as you can see, is far from definite.

That's in regard to him playing until he's 45. Right now, he's 39.

 

[Tony2046]

His exact quotes (in regard to being asked about wanting to play to 45) are:

“I certainly think I can do it. It’s just about how long I want to make the commitment to doing the things that get me ready to go.

“Look, I love playing. I would love to play the game for as long as I can. There are a lot of things that aren’t up to me, but I am going to do everything I can to keep playing at this level for as long as I can. I think I can do it.”

That, as you can see, is far from definite.

He also said "Hell no".

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It is not an either-or proposition. He can play football AND spend far, far more time with his family than the typical father can.

When i said family, i meant the concerns of his family which includes health.

 

[deroc5050]

You got someone on the inside that knows that talks have died down ?


Everything else so highly circumstancial and based on Giselle saying things that I see no reason to put more weight on that than what Brady says himself in recent interviews.

Nobody really has any expectations about how long he can continue to play on that level which is why BB keeps all options open and will hang on to JG as long as it makes economic sense.

I guess that's what the next 2-3 years will be like now. The annual "last rodeo" thread until it actually happens if injuries don't take him out sooner.

Well its hard to blame people to think that way. He is 40. And keeping JG just added to the speculation. Its not very difficult to see what could happen.

The Pats are planning on keeping JG long term.. something has to give?

 

[Ross12]

You're minimizing the media backlash. It would be tremendous for BB, JG and the team especially if they didn't win enough.

So if Brady wins another Super Bowl in the 2018 season and says he wants to play another three years what do you think BB will do? Sure it's a tough decision but do you risk forfeiting another two or three Super Bowl runs by trading Brady? No.

When Brady retires we will need to strap up and get ready for a QB who will be in his first full season as the Patriot's starting QB and all the ups and downs that will go with it.

At this point JG could be the next Nick Foles and have a fantastic initial season and then flop, the next Steve Young who overcomes public and media scrutiny by finally delivering one championship, the next Philip Rivers who has had a string of entertaining ringless seasons or he could be the next "Great" Aaron Rodgers who plays at a high level and led the Packers to one championship but is either injured or hobbled or his receivers are hobbled or injured.

IOW there are so many unknowns with JG.

If we are playing the what if game here I'll play one too. What if Brissette outplays JG during the preseason? What then?

In regards to your 2018 scenario - that depends on the circumstances at that time. If Brady is still going strong and BB thinks he's genuinely going to continue his excellent level of play for 3 more years, then perhaps Jimmy goes. If BB is not so confident of that, perhaps not. It's all just hypothetical talk anyway.

In regards to Brissett outplaying Jimmy in preseason, that's a hard thing to evaluate because preseason performance isn't necessarily indicative of true worth. BB commonly puts his QBs in positions or situations they need work in and so you're not necessarily seeing the player being utilized to maximize their strengths. I don't think Jimmy really looked that great last preseason, if memory serves correctly, but then he went on to defeat Arizona and drop 21 in Miami in less than two quarters.

BB would, again, have all of the reps and practice intel that we fans do not, and would make his decisions based on the short- and long-term worth to the team.

Don't mean to be argumentative if my posts come off that way - just enjoying the discussion. I could end up totally wrong (and I wouldn't mind it at all). Just saying how I see it.